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What does it mean to “take the Cross”
What was the status of Arab Christians during the crusades?Who believed the earth was flat?What does this spear & carpentry square symbol mean?What motivated Germanic tribes to accept Christianity?How long does it take to craft the kinds of armour worn by typical medieval warriors in europe?What was the death toll during the Inquisition?What is the pre-schism Christian church called today?Did horse sacrifice persist in Christian Europe?Why does some Califate money feature crosses?Are there any documented cases from ancient or medieval times of someone escaping captivity by cross-dressing?
I am reading Simon Schama's A History of Britain Volume I, which often makes reference to this form of punishment. For example, on p144:
"The assassin's made for Yorkshire, where they lived untouched for a year. Eventually excommunicated, they were sentenced to take the Cross, and some of them died en route to the Holy Land."
Or same page:
"In 1172 the pope ordered [Henry II] to take the cross for three years as penance. He never went."
What exactly did this form of punishment entail?
middle-ages christianity crime
asked May 18 at 16:38
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I am reading Simon Schama's A History of Britain Volume I, which often makes reference to this form of punishment. For example, on p144:
"The assassin's made for Yorkshire, where they lived untouched for a year. Eventually excommunicated, they were sentenced to take the Cross, and some of them died en route to the Holy Land."
Or same page:
"In 1172 the pope ordered [Henry II] to take the cross for three years as penance. He never went."
What exactly did this form of punishment entail?
middle-ages christianity crime
asked May 18 at 16:38
UbiquitousUbiquitous
22126
5
Simply, to go on Crusade
– sempaiscuba♦
May 18 at 17:08
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I am reading Simon Schama's A History of Britain Volume I, which often makes reference to this form of punishment. For example, on p144:
"The assassin's made for Yorkshire, where they lived untouched for a year. Eventually excommunicated, they were sentenced to take the Cross, and some of them died en route to the Holy Land."
Or same page:
"In 1172 the pope ordered [Henry II] to take the cross for three years as penance. He never went."
What exactly did this form of punishment entail?
middle-ages christianity crime
asked May 18 at 16:38
UbiquitousUbiquitous
22126
I am reading Simon Schama's A History of Britain Volume I, which often makes reference to this form of punishment. For example, on p144:
"The assassin's made for Yorkshire, where they lived untouched for a year. Eventually excommunicated, they were sentenced to take the Cross, and some of them died en route to the Holy Land."
Or same page:
"In 1172 the pope ordered [Henry II] to take the cross for three years as penance. He never went."
What exactly did this form of punishment entail?
middle-ages christianity crime
middle-ages christianity crime
asked May 18 at 16:38
UbiquitousUbiquitous
22126
asked May 18 at 16:38
UbiquitousUbiquitous
22126
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Simply, to go on Crusade
– sempaiscuba♦
May 18 at 17:08
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Simply, to go on Crusade
– sempaiscuba♦
May 18 at 17:08
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Simply, to go on Crusade
– sempaiscuba♦
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Simply, to go on Crusade
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To "take the cross" is to take crusader vows and participate in a crusade to the Holy Land. It doesn't seem to have been a punishment exactly. It was intended as a form of penance so the wrongdoers could redeem themselves in the eyes of God (or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church) for their misdeeds.
answered May 18 at 17:09
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I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
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@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it isatonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.
– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
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To "take the cross" is to take crusader vows and participate in a crusade to the Holy Land. It doesn't seem to have been a punishment exactly. It was intended as a form of penance so the wrongdoers could redeem themselves in the eyes of God (or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church) for their misdeeds.
answered May 18 at 17:09
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I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
1
@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it isatonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.
– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
add a comment |
To "take the cross" is to take crusader vows and participate in a crusade to the Holy Land. It doesn't seem to have been a punishment exactly. It was intended as a form of penance so the wrongdoers could redeem themselves in the eyes of God (or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church) for their misdeeds.
answered May 18 at 17:09
KillingTimeKillingTime
4,30412431
2
I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
1
@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it isatonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.
– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
add a comment |
To "take the cross" is to take crusader vows and participate in a crusade to the Holy Land. It doesn't seem to have been a punishment exactly. It was intended as a form of penance so the wrongdoers could redeem themselves in the eyes of God (or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church) for their misdeeds.
answered May 18 at 17:09
KillingTimeKillingTime
4,30412431
To "take the cross" is to take crusader vows and participate in a crusade to the Holy Land. It doesn't seem to have been a punishment exactly. It was intended as a form of penance so the wrongdoers could redeem themselves in the eyes of God (or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church) for their misdeeds.
answered May 18 at 17:09
KillingTimeKillingTime
4,30412431
answered May 18 at 17:09
KillingTimeKillingTime
4,30412431
answered May 18 at 17:09
KillingTimeKillingTime
4,30412431
answered May 18 at 17:09
KillingTimeKillingTime
4,30412431
4,30412431
2
I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
1
@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it isatonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.
– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
add a comment |
2
I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
1
@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it isatonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.
– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
2
2
I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
I would not limit it to "crusader", as I think that implies participation in one of the organized military expeditions. I think a better term would be "pilgrim", as people would make pilgrimages there (and to other places, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago_(route_descriptions) ) at any time.
– jamesqf
May 18 at 17:41
1
1
@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@jamesqf - Making a pilgrimage would also be a penance, but is it described as "taking the Cross"?
– Pere
May 18 at 23:08
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@Pere: I think so, but I'm no expert and can't find a source that isn't a book I don't have access to. Logically, it would not be of much use as a regular punishment, since crusades were sporadic.
– jamesqf
May 19 at 5:40
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it is
atonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
@KillingTime, "or, more accurately, the eyes of the Church" is unsubstantiated. The Church holds that penance removes the satisfaction due to God by man's sin -- it is
atonement. It is not the Church who judges, but ultimately, God Himself.– user96931
May 21 at 16:59
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Simply, to go on Crusade
– sempaiscuba♦
May 18 at 17:08