Question about IV chord in minor keyWhy play out of scale notes as part of a chord?Understanding minor key harmonypassing chord preceding 4th in minor scale?Question about analyzing a Dm C A# chord progressionMinor key and its chordsConfusion about chord progressionSeventh chords and the key a song is written inTheory behind I iii IV VUsing Circle of Fifths to compose in Minor keysAfter key change from minor to major, why does the vi chord sound so bad?

What did the 8086 (and 8088) do upon encountering an illegal instruction?

Opposite of "Concerto Grosso"?

Can Dive Down protect a creature against Pacifism?

Can you open the door or die? v2

Should I worry about having my credit pulled multiple times while car shopping?

Nth term of Van Eck Sequence

Would a bit of grease on overhead door cables or bearings cause the springs to break?

Writing mathematical symbol with bold

Integrate without expansion?

Is fission/fusion to iron the most efficient way to convert mass to energy?

I received a gift from my sister who just got back from

New Site Design!

Is all-caps blackletter no longer taboo?

Why is it bad to use your whole foot in rock climbing

Interview was just a one hour panel. Got an offer the next day; do I accept or is this a red flag?

Is it possible to have battery technology that can't be duplicated?

Will users know a CardView is clickable

Arrows inside a commutative diagram using tikzcd

Dedicated bike GPS computer over smartphone

Does WiFi affect the quality of images downloaded from the internet?

My players want to use called-shots on Strahd

Parsing text written the millitext font

Realistic, logical way for men with medieval-era weaponry to compete with much larger and physically stronger foes

What's the reason for the decade jump in the recent X-Men trilogy?



Question about IV chord in minor key


Why play out of scale notes as part of a chord?Understanding minor key harmonypassing chord preceding 4th in minor scale?Question about analyzing a Dm C A# chord progressionMinor key and its chordsConfusion about chord progressionSeventh chords and the key a song is written inTheory behind I iii IV VUsing Circle of Fifths to compose in Minor keysAfter key change from minor to major, why does the vi chord sound so bad?













3















Key of A minor:

Am - Em/G - F - D - Dm - Am/C - B - E



How would you describe the D chord?

I'm not sure. Is it from a melodic minor?

Is there any specific reason why this progression works well?



Thank you!










share|improve this question

















  • 2





    So many questions on this site searching for the reasons why certain things work! For the progression here, I'd have thought that the B chord was far more of an outsider than the D - even considering the F# may have come from the A melodic minor, where's that D# come from..?

    – Tim
    May 30 at 7:06











  • It's often V/VII, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

    – phoog
    May 30 at 17:50















3















Key of A minor:

Am - Em/G - F - D - Dm - Am/C - B - E



How would you describe the D chord?

I'm not sure. Is it from a melodic minor?

Is there any specific reason why this progression works well?



Thank you!










share|improve this question

















  • 2





    So many questions on this site searching for the reasons why certain things work! For the progression here, I'd have thought that the B chord was far more of an outsider than the D - even considering the F# may have come from the A melodic minor, where's that D# come from..?

    – Tim
    May 30 at 7:06











  • It's often V/VII, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

    – phoog
    May 30 at 17:50













3












3








3








Key of A minor:

Am - Em/G - F - D - Dm - Am/C - B - E



How would you describe the D chord?

I'm not sure. Is it from a melodic minor?

Is there any specific reason why this progression works well?



Thank you!










share|improve this question














Key of A minor:

Am - Em/G - F - D - Dm - Am/C - B - E



How would you describe the D chord?

I'm not sure. Is it from a melodic minor?

Is there any specific reason why this progression works well?



Thank you!







theory chord-theory chord-progressions






share|improve this question













share|improve this question











share|improve this question




share|improve this question










asked May 29 at 15:47









NisaNisa

161




161







  • 2





    So many questions on this site searching for the reasons why certain things work! For the progression here, I'd have thought that the B chord was far more of an outsider than the D - even considering the F# may have come from the A melodic minor, where's that D# come from..?

    – Tim
    May 30 at 7:06











  • It's often V/VII, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

    – phoog
    May 30 at 17:50












  • 2





    So many questions on this site searching for the reasons why certain things work! For the progression here, I'd have thought that the B chord was far more of an outsider than the D - even considering the F# may have come from the A melodic minor, where's that D# come from..?

    – Tim
    May 30 at 7:06











  • It's often V/VII, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

    – phoog
    May 30 at 17:50







2




2





So many questions on this site searching for the reasons why certain things work! For the progression here, I'd have thought that the B chord was far more of an outsider than the D - even considering the F# may have come from the A melodic minor, where's that D# come from..?

– Tim
May 30 at 7:06





So many questions on this site searching for the reasons why certain things work! For the progression here, I'd have thought that the B chord was far more of an outsider than the D - even considering the F# may have come from the A melodic minor, where's that D# come from..?

– Tim
May 30 at 7:06













It's often V/VII, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

– phoog
May 30 at 17:50





It's often V/VII, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

– phoog
May 30 at 17:50










5 Answers
5






active

oldest

votes


















4














The simplest answer is that chords are borrowed from the parallel key quite often. This is in key A minor, and all the other chords are diatonic to it and its various scale notes. So, yes, it could easily be seen to come from A melodic minor. That will explain the E major chord as well. But it's just as easily seen to come from the parallel key - of A major - it being IV in that key.



None of this explains the B chord, also non-diatonic. But since it's V/V - the dominant chord of the dominant chord - it leads nicely to the E major, dominant of A (maj or min), then probably returns to Am.






share|improve this answer






























    3














    D in the key of A minor is a fairly common sound, and there are a couple ways to view it.



    For starters, let's get this out of the way first: D major is not in the key of A minor, as you've noticed. D major is, however, diatonic to A dorian. As you've noticed, it's also diatonic to A melodic minor. In the specific case you've outlined, it sounds like it's definitely a borrowed chord. If I had to pick one, I'd say it's borrowed from A Dorian, because generally I don't like to say "borrowed from melodic minor" unless most of the progression is also melodic minor, but it wouldn't be wrong to say that. A more general term for this kind of chord is modal mixture.



    Now, just because that one chord is from dorian/melodic minor doesn't mean the rest of the progression has to be the same. Obviously, the tonic here is some sort of A minor, and the rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well.



    If you're curious, the reason I say that the B makes sense is because it's a secondary dominant. E is the dominant of A minor, and the dominant of E is B, so B major, though non-diatonic, functions in the key of A minor with predominant function.






    share|improve this answer

























    • 'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

      – Tim
      May 30 at 7:01











    • @Tim How 'bout now? :)

      – user45266
      May 30 at 17:12











    • Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

      – Todd Wilcox
      May 30 at 17:54











    • That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

      – user45266
      May 30 at 18:22











    • I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

      – Tim
      May 30 at 20:37


















    2














    A lot can depend on the rhythm and voice leading, but if we skip that for the moment, you could abstract your progression to...



    Am... Dm and B... E



    First it goes to the subdominant and then it goes to the dominant. Tonally that is very clear harmony. If you are somehow emphasizing D and E as targets, it should make the tonality even more emphatically clear.



    Am Em/G Dm/F E and Am G7 F7 E7 are common progressions. From that perspective you might be able to abstract the progression to...



    Am - Em/G - F... E



    It's a mix of the two progressions at the point of F, whether the chord is root position or inverted, but the descending bass at the opening seems clear. Instead of simply going to E you elaborate with another descent D C B before getting to the dominant E.






    share|improve this answer
































      1














      Apologies for a messy answer, but even though the question is short, the answer needs a lot of stuff. :) I suspect you're not only interested in the D chord, but what happens in the progression.



      Why the chord progression works: it utilizes different harmonic movements, tension and release, old and new, familiar and unfamiliar. Keep something, change something. Do something expected, do something unexpected. You need to know a few different elements and dimensions of harmony to see why something might feel like expected and why something might feel unexpected. These dimensions are how you keep track of what changes or stays the same, and how you create expectations, tension and release.



      One very basic thing is the scale. It's more expected that the scale stays the same than that it changes. Another basic thing to look for is the I / IV / V axis. The harmony is either at rest (or "at home") at I i.s. tonic, or leaning on the IV i.e. subdominant side, or the V i.e. dominant side. In the key of C major / A minor these are: tonic:C/Am, subdominant:F/Dm, dominant:G/E (or Em). The movement from G (or G7) to C, or from E (or E7) to Am is a dominant-tonic motion. When you're at a dominant chord, e.g. E7, the least unusual thing to happen next is to get the tonic Am.
      Then you have the overall sense of where tonic is i.e. where "home" is. Not being home is, in a way, tension. How far away are you from home? If home moves, basically everything changes, you have to find a new orientation for everything.



      (Side-note: The only root note that's left from the set of six chords Am, C, Dm, F, E, G is B. What's that? Dm6/B can be thought of being e.g. a mixture of a Am's subdominant Dm and "secondary dominant" B, which is E's dominant.)



      You could say that the D major chord in the chord progression "borrows" from the parallel major key (A major), or that it brings feeling from the Dorian mode for a brief moment. Moving between minor/major can be thought of being a bit unexpected. You're settled at e.g. A minor and expecting the scale etc. but then you get an F# note which you're used to hearing in other keys, so have to do a bit of re-thinking. Something is changed, something stays the same.



      To make the change last longer than just the D chord, it could go like this: Am - Em/G - F - D - A/C# - B - E. Can you hear the difference?



      Another thing you have there is voice leading, stepping a voice or two up or down. The bass goes down: A - G - F - D - C - B - E. The final step can be seen as a V-I jump, although not from Am's V but E's V. Stepping a voice up or down by one step is perhaps in the conventional or expected side of things. But the conventionality feels safe and lets you do unexpected changes in other dimensions, to balance the expected and unexpected.



      (You could say something about the movement of other voices move as well, but the lowest note is an easy pick because there's only one lowest note. For the other voices it could be argued if the motion was up or down, and the chord symbols don't really dictate exactly how the notes should be spread in different octaves)



      If we map the chords to the tonic/subdominant/dominant role world, it goes like this:



      • Am : tonic

      • Em/G : dominant (but not the strongest one E7)

      • F : subdominant

      • D : subdominant (but different)

      • Dm : subdominant (but different)

      • Am/C : tonic

      • B : "secondary" dominant (giving a brief feeling of E being the tonic)

      • E : dominant

      In the above I consider Am and C both being "tonic", which is in a way unorthodox. ;) But in most cases you can replace any chord with the relative minor/major while keeping most aspects of its function.



      The final E leaves a strong expectation for an Am, which nicely wraps the chord progression and makes you want more of the same.



      Changing between tonic and subdominant sides isn't necessarily very unexpected, but it is a change, which gives the progression some character.



      So... that's why it works. Try it yourself, take something as a starting point, and then step by step change something in one of the dimensions.



      One last thing to add: chords or chord symbols are not a physical or biological thing in your head, and there's no single correct dimension for reasoning about what happens in harmony. Chords are ready-made product packages, macro building blocks developed for practical use in Western music culture. Harmony construction kit for dummies. Even if you can select between a kitchen block, bedroom block and a toilet block, it doesn't mean that you can't combine the functions of those blocks in countless variations. :)






      share|improve this answer
































        0














        You could justify it as from the melodic minor if you wanted to. But always remember, the scale is a framework, not a restriction (I seem to be typing that phrase a lot lately!) You don't need an excuse to use an out-of-scale note. Free mixing of the major and minor chords on the subdominant is very common in both major and minor keys.






        share|improve this answer























          Your Answer








          StackExchange.ready(function()
          var channelOptions =
          tags: "".split(" "),
          id: "240"
          ;
          initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

          StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
          // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
          if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
          StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
          createEditor();
          );

          else
          createEditor();

          );

          function createEditor()
          StackExchange.prepareEditor(
          heartbeatType: 'answer',
          autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
          convertImagesToLinks: false,
          noModals: true,
          showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
          reputationToPostImages: null,
          bindNavPrevention: true,
          postfix: "",
          imageUploader:
          brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
          contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
          allowUrls: true
          ,
          noCode: true, onDemand: true,
          discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
          ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
          );



          );













          draft saved

          draft discarded


















          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f85333%2fquestion-about-iv-chord-in-minor-key%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown

























          5 Answers
          5






          active

          oldest

          votes








          5 Answers
          5






          active

          oldest

          votes









          active

          oldest

          votes






          active

          oldest

          votes









          4














          The simplest answer is that chords are borrowed from the parallel key quite often. This is in key A minor, and all the other chords are diatonic to it and its various scale notes. So, yes, it could easily be seen to come from A melodic minor. That will explain the E major chord as well. But it's just as easily seen to come from the parallel key - of A major - it being IV in that key.



          None of this explains the B chord, also non-diatonic. But since it's V/V - the dominant chord of the dominant chord - it leads nicely to the E major, dominant of A (maj or min), then probably returns to Am.






          share|improve this answer



























            4














            The simplest answer is that chords are borrowed from the parallel key quite often. This is in key A minor, and all the other chords are diatonic to it and its various scale notes. So, yes, it could easily be seen to come from A melodic minor. That will explain the E major chord as well. But it's just as easily seen to come from the parallel key - of A major - it being IV in that key.



            None of this explains the B chord, also non-diatonic. But since it's V/V - the dominant chord of the dominant chord - it leads nicely to the E major, dominant of A (maj or min), then probably returns to Am.






            share|improve this answer

























              4












              4








              4







              The simplest answer is that chords are borrowed from the parallel key quite often. This is in key A minor, and all the other chords are diatonic to it and its various scale notes. So, yes, it could easily be seen to come from A melodic minor. That will explain the E major chord as well. But it's just as easily seen to come from the parallel key - of A major - it being IV in that key.



              None of this explains the B chord, also non-diatonic. But since it's V/V - the dominant chord of the dominant chord - it leads nicely to the E major, dominant of A (maj or min), then probably returns to Am.






              share|improve this answer













              The simplest answer is that chords are borrowed from the parallel key quite often. This is in key A minor, and all the other chords are diatonic to it and its various scale notes. So, yes, it could easily be seen to come from A melodic minor. That will explain the E major chord as well. But it's just as easily seen to come from the parallel key - of A major - it being IV in that key.



              None of this explains the B chord, also non-diatonic. But since it's V/V - the dominant chord of the dominant chord - it leads nicely to the E major, dominant of A (maj or min), then probably returns to Am.







              share|improve this answer












              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer










              answered May 29 at 20:51









              TimTim

              108k11107276




              108k11107276





















                  3














                  D in the key of A minor is a fairly common sound, and there are a couple ways to view it.



                  For starters, let's get this out of the way first: D major is not in the key of A minor, as you've noticed. D major is, however, diatonic to A dorian. As you've noticed, it's also diatonic to A melodic minor. In the specific case you've outlined, it sounds like it's definitely a borrowed chord. If I had to pick one, I'd say it's borrowed from A Dorian, because generally I don't like to say "borrowed from melodic minor" unless most of the progression is also melodic minor, but it wouldn't be wrong to say that. A more general term for this kind of chord is modal mixture.



                  Now, just because that one chord is from dorian/melodic minor doesn't mean the rest of the progression has to be the same. Obviously, the tonic here is some sort of A minor, and the rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well.



                  If you're curious, the reason I say that the B makes sense is because it's a secondary dominant. E is the dominant of A minor, and the dominant of E is B, so B major, though non-diatonic, functions in the key of A minor with predominant function.






                  share|improve this answer

























                  • 'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 7:01











                  • @Tim How 'bout now? :)

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 17:12











                  • Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

                    – Todd Wilcox
                    May 30 at 17:54











                  • That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 18:22











                  • I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 20:37















                  3














                  D in the key of A minor is a fairly common sound, and there are a couple ways to view it.



                  For starters, let's get this out of the way first: D major is not in the key of A minor, as you've noticed. D major is, however, diatonic to A dorian. As you've noticed, it's also diatonic to A melodic minor. In the specific case you've outlined, it sounds like it's definitely a borrowed chord. If I had to pick one, I'd say it's borrowed from A Dorian, because generally I don't like to say "borrowed from melodic minor" unless most of the progression is also melodic minor, but it wouldn't be wrong to say that. A more general term for this kind of chord is modal mixture.



                  Now, just because that one chord is from dorian/melodic minor doesn't mean the rest of the progression has to be the same. Obviously, the tonic here is some sort of A minor, and the rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well.



                  If you're curious, the reason I say that the B makes sense is because it's a secondary dominant. E is the dominant of A minor, and the dominant of E is B, so B major, though non-diatonic, functions in the key of A minor with predominant function.






                  share|improve this answer

























                  • 'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 7:01











                  • @Tim How 'bout now? :)

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 17:12











                  • Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

                    – Todd Wilcox
                    May 30 at 17:54











                  • That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 18:22











                  • I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 20:37













                  3












                  3








                  3







                  D in the key of A minor is a fairly common sound, and there are a couple ways to view it.



                  For starters, let's get this out of the way first: D major is not in the key of A minor, as you've noticed. D major is, however, diatonic to A dorian. As you've noticed, it's also diatonic to A melodic minor. In the specific case you've outlined, it sounds like it's definitely a borrowed chord. If I had to pick one, I'd say it's borrowed from A Dorian, because generally I don't like to say "borrowed from melodic minor" unless most of the progression is also melodic minor, but it wouldn't be wrong to say that. A more general term for this kind of chord is modal mixture.



                  Now, just because that one chord is from dorian/melodic minor doesn't mean the rest of the progression has to be the same. Obviously, the tonic here is some sort of A minor, and the rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well.



                  If you're curious, the reason I say that the B makes sense is because it's a secondary dominant. E is the dominant of A minor, and the dominant of E is B, so B major, though non-diatonic, functions in the key of A minor with predominant function.






                  share|improve this answer















                  D in the key of A minor is a fairly common sound, and there are a couple ways to view it.



                  For starters, let's get this out of the way first: D major is not in the key of A minor, as you've noticed. D major is, however, diatonic to A dorian. As you've noticed, it's also diatonic to A melodic minor. In the specific case you've outlined, it sounds like it's definitely a borrowed chord. If I had to pick one, I'd say it's borrowed from A Dorian, because generally I don't like to say "borrowed from melodic minor" unless most of the progression is also melodic minor, but it wouldn't be wrong to say that. A more general term for this kind of chord is modal mixture.



                  Now, just because that one chord is from dorian/melodic minor doesn't mean the rest of the progression has to be the same. Obviously, the tonic here is some sort of A minor, and the rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well.



                  If you're curious, the reason I say that the B makes sense is because it's a secondary dominant. E is the dominant of A minor, and the dominant of E is B, so B major, though non-diatonic, functions in the key of A minor with predominant function.







                  share|improve this answer














                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer








                  edited May 31 at 15:08

























                  answered May 29 at 16:43









                  user45266user45266

                  6,05411145




                  6,05411145












                  • 'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 7:01











                  • @Tim How 'bout now? :)

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 17:12











                  • Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

                    – Todd Wilcox
                    May 30 at 17:54











                  • That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 18:22











                  • I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 20:37

















                  • 'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 7:01











                  • @Tim How 'bout now? :)

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 17:12











                  • Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

                    – Todd Wilcox
                    May 30 at 17:54











                  • That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

                    – user45266
                    May 30 at 18:22











                  • I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

                    – Tim
                    May 30 at 20:37
















                  'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

                  – Tim
                  May 30 at 7:01





                  'The rest of the chords make sense in A minor as well' - excepting that B..?

                  – Tim
                  May 30 at 7:01













                  @Tim How 'bout now? :)

                  – user45266
                  May 30 at 17:12





                  @Tim How 'bout now? :)

                  – user45266
                  May 30 at 17:12













                  Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

                  – Todd Wilcox
                  May 30 at 17:54





                  Why borrowed from A Dorian instead of simply A Major/Ionian?

                  – Todd Wilcox
                  May 30 at 17:54













                  That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

                  – user45266
                  May 30 at 18:22





                  That's just the way I've always heard it described: Borrowed from Dorian. Makes sense, since the A minor flavor is preserved, but obviously it's not wrong to say "borrowed from major" or from melodic minor.

                  – user45266
                  May 30 at 18:22













                  I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

                  – Tim
                  May 30 at 20:37





                  I'm not sure that sub dominant is the same as dominant of the dominant.

                  – Tim
                  May 30 at 20:37











                  2














                  A lot can depend on the rhythm and voice leading, but if we skip that for the moment, you could abstract your progression to...



                  Am... Dm and B... E



                  First it goes to the subdominant and then it goes to the dominant. Tonally that is very clear harmony. If you are somehow emphasizing D and E as targets, it should make the tonality even more emphatically clear.



                  Am Em/G Dm/F E and Am G7 F7 E7 are common progressions. From that perspective you might be able to abstract the progression to...



                  Am - Em/G - F... E



                  It's a mix of the two progressions at the point of F, whether the chord is root position or inverted, but the descending bass at the opening seems clear. Instead of simply going to E you elaborate with another descent D C B before getting to the dominant E.






                  share|improve this answer





























                    2














                    A lot can depend on the rhythm and voice leading, but if we skip that for the moment, you could abstract your progression to...



                    Am... Dm and B... E



                    First it goes to the subdominant and then it goes to the dominant. Tonally that is very clear harmony. If you are somehow emphasizing D and E as targets, it should make the tonality even more emphatically clear.



                    Am Em/G Dm/F E and Am G7 F7 E7 are common progressions. From that perspective you might be able to abstract the progression to...



                    Am - Em/G - F... E



                    It's a mix of the two progressions at the point of F, whether the chord is root position or inverted, but the descending bass at the opening seems clear. Instead of simply going to E you elaborate with another descent D C B before getting to the dominant E.






                    share|improve this answer



























                      2












                      2








                      2







                      A lot can depend on the rhythm and voice leading, but if we skip that for the moment, you could abstract your progression to...



                      Am... Dm and B... E



                      First it goes to the subdominant and then it goes to the dominant. Tonally that is very clear harmony. If you are somehow emphasizing D and E as targets, it should make the tonality even more emphatically clear.



                      Am Em/G Dm/F E and Am G7 F7 E7 are common progressions. From that perspective you might be able to abstract the progression to...



                      Am - Em/G - F... E



                      It's a mix of the two progressions at the point of F, whether the chord is root position or inverted, but the descending bass at the opening seems clear. Instead of simply going to E you elaborate with another descent D C B before getting to the dominant E.






                      share|improve this answer















                      A lot can depend on the rhythm and voice leading, but if we skip that for the moment, you could abstract your progression to...



                      Am... Dm and B... E



                      First it goes to the subdominant and then it goes to the dominant. Tonally that is very clear harmony. If you are somehow emphasizing D and E as targets, it should make the tonality even more emphatically clear.



                      Am Em/G Dm/F E and Am G7 F7 E7 are common progressions. From that perspective you might be able to abstract the progression to...



                      Am - Em/G - F... E



                      It's a mix of the two progressions at the point of F, whether the chord is root position or inverted, but the descending bass at the opening seems clear. Instead of simply going to E you elaborate with another descent D C B before getting to the dominant E.







                      share|improve this answer














                      share|improve this answer



                      share|improve this answer








                      edited May 29 at 17:25

























                      answered May 29 at 17:09









                      Michael CurtisMichael Curtis

                      14.8k1051




                      14.8k1051





















                          1














                          Apologies for a messy answer, but even though the question is short, the answer needs a lot of stuff. :) I suspect you're not only interested in the D chord, but what happens in the progression.



                          Why the chord progression works: it utilizes different harmonic movements, tension and release, old and new, familiar and unfamiliar. Keep something, change something. Do something expected, do something unexpected. You need to know a few different elements and dimensions of harmony to see why something might feel like expected and why something might feel unexpected. These dimensions are how you keep track of what changes or stays the same, and how you create expectations, tension and release.



                          One very basic thing is the scale. It's more expected that the scale stays the same than that it changes. Another basic thing to look for is the I / IV / V axis. The harmony is either at rest (or "at home") at I i.s. tonic, or leaning on the IV i.e. subdominant side, or the V i.e. dominant side. In the key of C major / A minor these are: tonic:C/Am, subdominant:F/Dm, dominant:G/E (or Em). The movement from G (or G7) to C, or from E (or E7) to Am is a dominant-tonic motion. When you're at a dominant chord, e.g. E7, the least unusual thing to happen next is to get the tonic Am.
                          Then you have the overall sense of where tonic is i.e. where "home" is. Not being home is, in a way, tension. How far away are you from home? If home moves, basically everything changes, you have to find a new orientation for everything.



                          (Side-note: The only root note that's left from the set of six chords Am, C, Dm, F, E, G is B. What's that? Dm6/B can be thought of being e.g. a mixture of a Am's subdominant Dm and "secondary dominant" B, which is E's dominant.)



                          You could say that the D major chord in the chord progression "borrows" from the parallel major key (A major), or that it brings feeling from the Dorian mode for a brief moment. Moving between minor/major can be thought of being a bit unexpected. You're settled at e.g. A minor and expecting the scale etc. but then you get an F# note which you're used to hearing in other keys, so have to do a bit of re-thinking. Something is changed, something stays the same.



                          To make the change last longer than just the D chord, it could go like this: Am - Em/G - F - D - A/C# - B - E. Can you hear the difference?



                          Another thing you have there is voice leading, stepping a voice or two up or down. The bass goes down: A - G - F - D - C - B - E. The final step can be seen as a V-I jump, although not from Am's V but E's V. Stepping a voice up or down by one step is perhaps in the conventional or expected side of things. But the conventionality feels safe and lets you do unexpected changes in other dimensions, to balance the expected and unexpected.



                          (You could say something about the movement of other voices move as well, but the lowest note is an easy pick because there's only one lowest note. For the other voices it could be argued if the motion was up or down, and the chord symbols don't really dictate exactly how the notes should be spread in different octaves)



                          If we map the chords to the tonic/subdominant/dominant role world, it goes like this:



                          • Am : tonic

                          • Em/G : dominant (but not the strongest one E7)

                          • F : subdominant

                          • D : subdominant (but different)

                          • Dm : subdominant (but different)

                          • Am/C : tonic

                          • B : "secondary" dominant (giving a brief feeling of E being the tonic)

                          • E : dominant

                          In the above I consider Am and C both being "tonic", which is in a way unorthodox. ;) But in most cases you can replace any chord with the relative minor/major while keeping most aspects of its function.



                          The final E leaves a strong expectation for an Am, which nicely wraps the chord progression and makes you want more of the same.



                          Changing between tonic and subdominant sides isn't necessarily very unexpected, but it is a change, which gives the progression some character.



                          So... that's why it works. Try it yourself, take something as a starting point, and then step by step change something in one of the dimensions.



                          One last thing to add: chords or chord symbols are not a physical or biological thing in your head, and there's no single correct dimension for reasoning about what happens in harmony. Chords are ready-made product packages, macro building blocks developed for practical use in Western music culture. Harmony construction kit for dummies. Even if you can select between a kitchen block, bedroom block and a toilet block, it doesn't mean that you can't combine the functions of those blocks in countless variations. :)






                          share|improve this answer





























                            1














                            Apologies for a messy answer, but even though the question is short, the answer needs a lot of stuff. :) I suspect you're not only interested in the D chord, but what happens in the progression.



                            Why the chord progression works: it utilizes different harmonic movements, tension and release, old and new, familiar and unfamiliar. Keep something, change something. Do something expected, do something unexpected. You need to know a few different elements and dimensions of harmony to see why something might feel like expected and why something might feel unexpected. These dimensions are how you keep track of what changes or stays the same, and how you create expectations, tension and release.



                            One very basic thing is the scale. It's more expected that the scale stays the same than that it changes. Another basic thing to look for is the I / IV / V axis. The harmony is either at rest (or "at home") at I i.s. tonic, or leaning on the IV i.e. subdominant side, or the V i.e. dominant side. In the key of C major / A minor these are: tonic:C/Am, subdominant:F/Dm, dominant:G/E (or Em). The movement from G (or G7) to C, or from E (or E7) to Am is a dominant-tonic motion. When you're at a dominant chord, e.g. E7, the least unusual thing to happen next is to get the tonic Am.
                            Then you have the overall sense of where tonic is i.e. where "home" is. Not being home is, in a way, tension. How far away are you from home? If home moves, basically everything changes, you have to find a new orientation for everything.



                            (Side-note: The only root note that's left from the set of six chords Am, C, Dm, F, E, G is B. What's that? Dm6/B can be thought of being e.g. a mixture of a Am's subdominant Dm and "secondary dominant" B, which is E's dominant.)



                            You could say that the D major chord in the chord progression "borrows" from the parallel major key (A major), or that it brings feeling from the Dorian mode for a brief moment. Moving between minor/major can be thought of being a bit unexpected. You're settled at e.g. A minor and expecting the scale etc. but then you get an F# note which you're used to hearing in other keys, so have to do a bit of re-thinking. Something is changed, something stays the same.



                            To make the change last longer than just the D chord, it could go like this: Am - Em/G - F - D - A/C# - B - E. Can you hear the difference?



                            Another thing you have there is voice leading, stepping a voice or two up or down. The bass goes down: A - G - F - D - C - B - E. The final step can be seen as a V-I jump, although not from Am's V but E's V. Stepping a voice up or down by one step is perhaps in the conventional or expected side of things. But the conventionality feels safe and lets you do unexpected changes in other dimensions, to balance the expected and unexpected.



                            (You could say something about the movement of other voices move as well, but the lowest note is an easy pick because there's only one lowest note. For the other voices it could be argued if the motion was up or down, and the chord symbols don't really dictate exactly how the notes should be spread in different octaves)



                            If we map the chords to the tonic/subdominant/dominant role world, it goes like this:



                            • Am : tonic

                            • Em/G : dominant (but not the strongest one E7)

                            • F : subdominant

                            • D : subdominant (but different)

                            • Dm : subdominant (but different)

                            • Am/C : tonic

                            • B : "secondary" dominant (giving a brief feeling of E being the tonic)

                            • E : dominant

                            In the above I consider Am and C both being "tonic", which is in a way unorthodox. ;) But in most cases you can replace any chord with the relative minor/major while keeping most aspects of its function.



                            The final E leaves a strong expectation for an Am, which nicely wraps the chord progression and makes you want more of the same.



                            Changing between tonic and subdominant sides isn't necessarily very unexpected, but it is a change, which gives the progression some character.



                            So... that's why it works. Try it yourself, take something as a starting point, and then step by step change something in one of the dimensions.



                            One last thing to add: chords or chord symbols are not a physical or biological thing in your head, and there's no single correct dimension for reasoning about what happens in harmony. Chords are ready-made product packages, macro building blocks developed for practical use in Western music culture. Harmony construction kit for dummies. Even if you can select between a kitchen block, bedroom block and a toilet block, it doesn't mean that you can't combine the functions of those blocks in countless variations. :)






                            share|improve this answer



























                              1












                              1








                              1







                              Apologies for a messy answer, but even though the question is short, the answer needs a lot of stuff. :) I suspect you're not only interested in the D chord, but what happens in the progression.



                              Why the chord progression works: it utilizes different harmonic movements, tension and release, old and new, familiar and unfamiliar. Keep something, change something. Do something expected, do something unexpected. You need to know a few different elements and dimensions of harmony to see why something might feel like expected and why something might feel unexpected. These dimensions are how you keep track of what changes or stays the same, and how you create expectations, tension and release.



                              One very basic thing is the scale. It's more expected that the scale stays the same than that it changes. Another basic thing to look for is the I / IV / V axis. The harmony is either at rest (or "at home") at I i.s. tonic, or leaning on the IV i.e. subdominant side, or the V i.e. dominant side. In the key of C major / A minor these are: tonic:C/Am, subdominant:F/Dm, dominant:G/E (or Em). The movement from G (or G7) to C, or from E (or E7) to Am is a dominant-tonic motion. When you're at a dominant chord, e.g. E7, the least unusual thing to happen next is to get the tonic Am.
                              Then you have the overall sense of where tonic is i.e. where "home" is. Not being home is, in a way, tension. How far away are you from home? If home moves, basically everything changes, you have to find a new orientation for everything.



                              (Side-note: The only root note that's left from the set of six chords Am, C, Dm, F, E, G is B. What's that? Dm6/B can be thought of being e.g. a mixture of a Am's subdominant Dm and "secondary dominant" B, which is E's dominant.)



                              You could say that the D major chord in the chord progression "borrows" from the parallel major key (A major), or that it brings feeling from the Dorian mode for a brief moment. Moving between minor/major can be thought of being a bit unexpected. You're settled at e.g. A minor and expecting the scale etc. but then you get an F# note which you're used to hearing in other keys, so have to do a bit of re-thinking. Something is changed, something stays the same.



                              To make the change last longer than just the D chord, it could go like this: Am - Em/G - F - D - A/C# - B - E. Can you hear the difference?



                              Another thing you have there is voice leading, stepping a voice or two up or down. The bass goes down: A - G - F - D - C - B - E. The final step can be seen as a V-I jump, although not from Am's V but E's V. Stepping a voice up or down by one step is perhaps in the conventional or expected side of things. But the conventionality feels safe and lets you do unexpected changes in other dimensions, to balance the expected and unexpected.



                              (You could say something about the movement of other voices move as well, but the lowest note is an easy pick because there's only one lowest note. For the other voices it could be argued if the motion was up or down, and the chord symbols don't really dictate exactly how the notes should be spread in different octaves)



                              If we map the chords to the tonic/subdominant/dominant role world, it goes like this:



                              • Am : tonic

                              • Em/G : dominant (but not the strongest one E7)

                              • F : subdominant

                              • D : subdominant (but different)

                              • Dm : subdominant (but different)

                              • Am/C : tonic

                              • B : "secondary" dominant (giving a brief feeling of E being the tonic)

                              • E : dominant

                              In the above I consider Am and C both being "tonic", which is in a way unorthodox. ;) But in most cases you can replace any chord with the relative minor/major while keeping most aspects of its function.



                              The final E leaves a strong expectation for an Am, which nicely wraps the chord progression and makes you want more of the same.



                              Changing between tonic and subdominant sides isn't necessarily very unexpected, but it is a change, which gives the progression some character.



                              So... that's why it works. Try it yourself, take something as a starting point, and then step by step change something in one of the dimensions.



                              One last thing to add: chords or chord symbols are not a physical or biological thing in your head, and there's no single correct dimension for reasoning about what happens in harmony. Chords are ready-made product packages, macro building blocks developed for practical use in Western music culture. Harmony construction kit for dummies. Even if you can select between a kitchen block, bedroom block and a toilet block, it doesn't mean that you can't combine the functions of those blocks in countless variations. :)






                              share|improve this answer















                              Apologies for a messy answer, but even though the question is short, the answer needs a lot of stuff. :) I suspect you're not only interested in the D chord, but what happens in the progression.



                              Why the chord progression works: it utilizes different harmonic movements, tension and release, old and new, familiar and unfamiliar. Keep something, change something. Do something expected, do something unexpected. You need to know a few different elements and dimensions of harmony to see why something might feel like expected and why something might feel unexpected. These dimensions are how you keep track of what changes or stays the same, and how you create expectations, tension and release.



                              One very basic thing is the scale. It's more expected that the scale stays the same than that it changes. Another basic thing to look for is the I / IV / V axis. The harmony is either at rest (or "at home") at I i.s. tonic, or leaning on the IV i.e. subdominant side, or the V i.e. dominant side. In the key of C major / A minor these are: tonic:C/Am, subdominant:F/Dm, dominant:G/E (or Em). The movement from G (or G7) to C, or from E (or E7) to Am is a dominant-tonic motion. When you're at a dominant chord, e.g. E7, the least unusual thing to happen next is to get the tonic Am.
                              Then you have the overall sense of where tonic is i.e. where "home" is. Not being home is, in a way, tension. How far away are you from home? If home moves, basically everything changes, you have to find a new orientation for everything.



                              (Side-note: The only root note that's left from the set of six chords Am, C, Dm, F, E, G is B. What's that? Dm6/B can be thought of being e.g. a mixture of a Am's subdominant Dm and "secondary dominant" B, which is E's dominant.)



                              You could say that the D major chord in the chord progression "borrows" from the parallel major key (A major), or that it brings feeling from the Dorian mode for a brief moment. Moving between minor/major can be thought of being a bit unexpected. You're settled at e.g. A minor and expecting the scale etc. but then you get an F# note which you're used to hearing in other keys, so have to do a bit of re-thinking. Something is changed, something stays the same.



                              To make the change last longer than just the D chord, it could go like this: Am - Em/G - F - D - A/C# - B - E. Can you hear the difference?



                              Another thing you have there is voice leading, stepping a voice or two up or down. The bass goes down: A - G - F - D - C - B - E. The final step can be seen as a V-I jump, although not from Am's V but E's V. Stepping a voice up or down by one step is perhaps in the conventional or expected side of things. But the conventionality feels safe and lets you do unexpected changes in other dimensions, to balance the expected and unexpected.



                              (You could say something about the movement of other voices move as well, but the lowest note is an easy pick because there's only one lowest note. For the other voices it could be argued if the motion was up or down, and the chord symbols don't really dictate exactly how the notes should be spread in different octaves)



                              If we map the chords to the tonic/subdominant/dominant role world, it goes like this:



                              • Am : tonic

                              • Em/G : dominant (but not the strongest one E7)

                              • F : subdominant

                              • D : subdominant (but different)

                              • Dm : subdominant (but different)

                              • Am/C : tonic

                              • B : "secondary" dominant (giving a brief feeling of E being the tonic)

                              • E : dominant

                              In the above I consider Am and C both being "tonic", which is in a way unorthodox. ;) But in most cases you can replace any chord with the relative minor/major while keeping most aspects of its function.



                              The final E leaves a strong expectation for an Am, which nicely wraps the chord progression and makes you want more of the same.



                              Changing between tonic and subdominant sides isn't necessarily very unexpected, but it is a change, which gives the progression some character.



                              So... that's why it works. Try it yourself, take something as a starting point, and then step by step change something in one of the dimensions.



                              One last thing to add: chords or chord symbols are not a physical or biological thing in your head, and there's no single correct dimension for reasoning about what happens in harmony. Chords are ready-made product packages, macro building blocks developed for practical use in Western music culture. Harmony construction kit for dummies. Even if you can select between a kitchen block, bedroom block and a toilet block, it doesn't mean that you can't combine the functions of those blocks in countless variations. :)







                              share|improve this answer














                              share|improve this answer



                              share|improve this answer








                              edited May 30 at 17:15

























                              answered May 29 at 17:41









                              piiperipiiperi

                              3,543514




                              3,543514





















                                  0














                                  You could justify it as from the melodic minor if you wanted to. But always remember, the scale is a framework, not a restriction (I seem to be typing that phrase a lot lately!) You don't need an excuse to use an out-of-scale note. Free mixing of the major and minor chords on the subdominant is very common in both major and minor keys.






                                  share|improve this answer



























                                    0














                                    You could justify it as from the melodic minor if you wanted to. But always remember, the scale is a framework, not a restriction (I seem to be typing that phrase a lot lately!) You don't need an excuse to use an out-of-scale note. Free mixing of the major and minor chords on the subdominant is very common in both major and minor keys.






                                    share|improve this answer

























                                      0












                                      0








                                      0







                                      You could justify it as from the melodic minor if you wanted to. But always remember, the scale is a framework, not a restriction (I seem to be typing that phrase a lot lately!) You don't need an excuse to use an out-of-scale note. Free mixing of the major and minor chords on the subdominant is very common in both major and minor keys.






                                      share|improve this answer













                                      You could justify it as from the melodic minor if you wanted to. But always remember, the scale is a framework, not a restriction (I seem to be typing that phrase a lot lately!) You don't need an excuse to use an out-of-scale note. Free mixing of the major and minor chords on the subdominant is very common in both major and minor keys.







                                      share|improve this answer












                                      share|improve this answer



                                      share|improve this answer










                                      answered May 29 at 16:40









                                      Laurence PayneLaurence Payne

                                      39.9k2277




                                      39.9k2277



























                                          draft saved

                                          draft discarded
















































                                          Thanks for contributing an answer to Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange!


                                          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                          But avoid


                                          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

                                          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                                          draft saved


                                          draft discarded














                                          StackExchange.ready(
                                          function ()
                                          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f85333%2fquestion-about-iv-chord-in-minor-key%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                                          );

                                          Post as a guest















                                          Required, but never shown





















































                                          Required, but never shown














                                          Required, but never shown












                                          Required, but never shown







                                          Required, but never shown

































                                          Required, but never shown














                                          Required, but never shown












                                          Required, but never shown







                                          Required, but never shown







                                          Popular posts from this blog

                                          Wikipedia:Vital articles Мазмуну Biography - Өмүр баян Philosophy and psychology - Философия жана психология Religion - Дин Social sciences - Коомдук илимдер Language and literature - Тил жана адабият Science - Илим Technology - Технология Arts and recreation - Искусство жана эс алуу History and geography - Тарых жана география Навигация менюсу

                                          Club Baloncesto Breogán Índice Historia | Pavillón | Nome | O Breogán na cultura popular | Xogadores | Adestradores | Presidentes | Palmarés | Historial | Líderes | Notas | Véxase tamén | Menú de navegacióncbbreogan.galCadroGuía oficial da ACB 2009-10, páxina 201Guía oficial ACB 1992, páxina 183. Editorial DB.É de 6.500 espectadores sentados axeitándose á última normativa"Estudiantes Junior, entre as mellores canteiras"o orixinalHemeroteca El Mundo Deportivo, 16 setembro de 1970, páxina 12Historia do BreogánAlfredo Pérez, o último canoneiroHistoria C.B. BreogánHemeroteca de El Mundo DeportivoJimmy Wright, norteamericano do Breogán deixará Lugo por ameazas de morteResultados de Breogán en 1986-87Resultados de Breogán en 1990-91Ficha de Velimir Perasović en acb.comResultados de Breogán en 1994-95Breogán arrasa al Barça. "El Mundo Deportivo", 27 de setembro de 1999, páxina 58CB Breogán - FC BarcelonaA FEB invita a participar nunha nova Liga EuropeaCharlie Bell na prensa estatalMáximos anotadores 2005Tempada 2005-06 : Tódolos Xogadores da Xornada""Non quero pensar nunha man negra, mais pregúntome que está a pasar""o orixinalRaúl López, orgulloso dos xogadores, presume da boa saúde económica do BreogánJulio González confirma que cesa como presidente del BreogánHomenaxe a Lisardo GómezA tempada do rexurdimento celesteEntrevista a Lisardo GómezEl COB dinamita el Pazo para forzar el quinto (69-73)Cafés Candelas, patrocinador del CB Breogán"Suso Lázare, novo presidente do Breogán"o orixinalCafés Candelas Breogán firma el mayor triunfo de la historiaEl Breogán realizará 17 homenajes por su cincuenta aniversario"O Breogán honra ao seu fundador e primeiro presidente"o orixinalMiguel Giao recibiu a homenaxe do PazoHomenaxe aos primeiros gladiadores celestesO home que nos amosa como ver o Breo co corazónTita Franco será homenaxeada polos #50anosdeBreoJulio Vila recibirá unha homenaxe in memoriam polos #50anosdeBreo"O Breogán homenaxeará aos seus aboados máis veteráns"Pechada ovación a «Capi» Sanmartín e Ricardo «Corazón de González»Homenaxe por décadas de informaciónPaco García volve ao Pazo con motivo do 50 aniversario"Resultados y clasificaciones""O Cafés Candelas Breogán, campión da Copa Princesa""O Cafés Candelas Breogán, equipo ACB"C.B. Breogán"Proxecto social"o orixinal"Centros asociados"o orixinalFicha en imdb.comMario Camus trata la recuperación del amor en 'La vieja música', su última película"Páxina web oficial""Club Baloncesto Breogán""C. B. Breogán S.A.D."eehttp://www.fegaba.com

                                          Vilaño, A Laracha Índice Patrimonio | Lugares e parroquias | Véxase tamén | Menú de navegación43°14′52″N 8°36′03″O / 43.24775, -8.60070