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Why does the freezing point matter when picking cooler ice packs?
What cools a drink?Do ice crystals grow only as heat is being removed or also when an item is at a set temperature?Does a cooler, submerged in water, keep beer colder, longer?Speedy Cooling - Ice based Cooler - Efficient WayWhy does hitting a cold bag of water freeze?Does an ice cube change its core temperature as it melts?What ice pack formula can hold the largest energy difference?Chardonnay, air versus waterWill an ice cream scoop with oil-filled handle cool down my coffee more effectively than without the oil?Why does ice cream get harder when colder?
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
2 days ago
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
2 days ago
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
2 days ago
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
2 days ago
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
yesterday
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
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Both very good answers!
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
yesterday
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
yesterday
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
2 days ago
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
2 days ago
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Both very good answers!
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– tir38
2 days ago
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
$endgroup$
1
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
2 days ago
1
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
1
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
2 days ago
1
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Both very good answers!
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– tir38
2 days ago
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
$endgroup$
The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
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Both very good answers!
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
2 days ago
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Both very good answers!
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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2 days ago
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
2 days ago
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
2 days ago
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
2 days ago
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Both very good answers!
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Both very good answers!
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
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1
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
yesterday
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
yesterday
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
yesterday
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
$endgroup$
– JMac
yesterday
$begingroup$
@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
$endgroup$
– Dmitry Grigoryev
yesterday
$begingroup$
That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
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Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
yesterday
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
yesterday
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
yesterday
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
yesterday
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
yesterday
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
yesterday
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
yesterday
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
yesterday
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
yesterday
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
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