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Subgroup and conjugacy class
Finite group with conjugacy class of order 2 has nontrivial normal subgroup?Groups with uniform bound on the order of conjugacy classesIf a normal subgroup shares elements with a conjugacy class, then it contains it entirely?Subgroup generated by conjugacy class normal?Normal Group and Conjugacy ClassExistence of g whose conjugacy class is disjoint from a proper subgroupSize of a Conjugacy classFinite groups with only one conjugacy class of maximal subgroupsComplement of a normal subgroup is single conjugacy classSize of conjugacy class in subgroup compared to size of conjugacy class in group
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let $G$ be a group and $C_x$ a conjugacy class, with $|C_x|=n$. prove that $exists Hleq G$ with H being a subgroup of G, that $|G/H|=n$
It easy to proof that this happens with G being a finite group but my problem starts when G is a infinite group because I cannot apply Lagrange theorem and because of that I don't have any ideia of who is H
Any hints?
abstract-algebra group-theory
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let $G$ be a group and $C_x$ a conjugacy class, with $|C_x|=n$. prove that $exists Hleq G$ with H being a subgroup of G, that $|G/H|=n$
It easy to proof that this happens with G being a finite group but my problem starts when G is a infinite group because I cannot apply Lagrange theorem and because of that I don't have any ideia of who is H
Any hints?
abstract-algebra group-theory
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What does Lagrange's theorem have to do with this problem?
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let $G$ be a group and $C_x$ a conjugacy class, with $|C_x|=n$. prove that $exists Hleq G$ with H being a subgroup of G, that $|G/H|=n$
It easy to proof that this happens with G being a finite group but my problem starts when G is a infinite group because I cannot apply Lagrange theorem and because of that I don't have any ideia of who is H
Any hints?
abstract-algebra group-theory
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let $G$ be a group and $C_x$ a conjugacy class, with $|C_x|=n$. prove that $exists Hleq G$ with H being a subgroup of G, that $|G/H|=n$
It easy to proof that this happens with G being a finite group but my problem starts when G is a infinite group because I cannot apply Lagrange theorem and because of that I don't have any ideia of who is H
Any hints?
abstract-algebra group-theory
abstract-algebra group-theory
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Consider
$F_x = f in G, ; fxf^-1 = x ; tag 1$
that is, $F_x subset G$ is the set of group elements which fix $x in G$ under conjugation; it is easy to see that $F_x$ is in fact a subgroup of $G$, since for
$a, b in F_x tag 2$
we have
$(ab)x(ab)^-1 = (ab)x(b^-1a^-1) = a(bxb^-1)a^-1 = axa^-1 = a, tag 3$
and the identity $e in G$ is clearly in $F_x$:
$exe^-1 = exe = xe = x; tag 4$
and
$a in F_x Longleftrightarrow axa^-1 = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1xa = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1 in F_x. tag 5$
Now consider any coset $gF_x$ of $F_x$, where $g in G$; for $f in F_x$ we have
$(gf)x(gf)^-1 = (gf)x(f^-1g^-1) = g(fxg^-1)g^-1 = gxg^-1, tag 6$
which shows that elements $gf in gF_x$ all take $x$ to $gxg^-1$ under conjugation; in fact, the conjugate $gxg^-1$ only depends on the coset $gF_x$ and not upon its representative $g$; for if
$g_1F_x = g_2F_x, tag 7$
then
$g_1 = g_1e = g_2 f_1 tag 8$
for some $f_1 in F_x$, whence
$g_1xg_1^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(g_2f_1)^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(f_1^-1g_2^-1) = g_2(f_1xf_1^-1)g_2^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1; tag 9$
it follows then, that there is a well-defined map
$phi: G/F_x to C_x; tag10$
$phi$ is injective, for if
$phi(g_1F_x) = phi(g_2F_x), tag11$
then
$g_1xg_1^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1 Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_1^-1g_2) = x Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_2^-1g_1)^-1 = x$
$Longrightarrow g_2^-1g_1 in F_x Longrightarrow g_1 = g_2f, ; f in F_x Longrightarrow g_1F_x = g_2fF_x = g_2F_x; tag12$
$phi$ is also surjective, for
$phi(gF_x) = gxg^-1 tag13$
for any conjugate of $x$. Since $phi$ is a bijection, we conclude that
$vert G/F_x vert = vert C_x vert = n, tag14$
$OEDelta$.
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Hint: Notice that $C_x$ is an orbit of $x$ under the conjugation action of $G$ (on its own elements). Some elements of $G$ stabilize $x$ when they conjugate $x$ and some elements of $G$ push $x$ to a different member of this orbit.
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$begingroup$
Consider
$F_x = f in G, ; fxf^-1 = x ; tag 1$
that is, $F_x subset G$ is the set of group elements which fix $x in G$ under conjugation; it is easy to see that $F_x$ is in fact a subgroup of $G$, since for
$a, b in F_x tag 2$
we have
$(ab)x(ab)^-1 = (ab)x(b^-1a^-1) = a(bxb^-1)a^-1 = axa^-1 = a, tag 3$
and the identity $e in G$ is clearly in $F_x$:
$exe^-1 = exe = xe = x; tag 4$
and
$a in F_x Longleftrightarrow axa^-1 = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1xa = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1 in F_x. tag 5$
Now consider any coset $gF_x$ of $F_x$, where $g in G$; for $f in F_x$ we have
$(gf)x(gf)^-1 = (gf)x(f^-1g^-1) = g(fxg^-1)g^-1 = gxg^-1, tag 6$
which shows that elements $gf in gF_x$ all take $x$ to $gxg^-1$ under conjugation; in fact, the conjugate $gxg^-1$ only depends on the coset $gF_x$ and not upon its representative $g$; for if
$g_1F_x = g_2F_x, tag 7$
then
$g_1 = g_1e = g_2 f_1 tag 8$
for some $f_1 in F_x$, whence
$g_1xg_1^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(g_2f_1)^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(f_1^-1g_2^-1) = g_2(f_1xf_1^-1)g_2^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1; tag 9$
it follows then, that there is a well-defined map
$phi: G/F_x to C_x; tag10$
$phi$ is injective, for if
$phi(g_1F_x) = phi(g_2F_x), tag11$
then
$g_1xg_1^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1 Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_1^-1g_2) = x Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_2^-1g_1)^-1 = x$
$Longrightarrow g_2^-1g_1 in F_x Longrightarrow g_1 = g_2f, ; f in F_x Longrightarrow g_1F_x = g_2fF_x = g_2F_x; tag12$
$phi$ is also surjective, for
$phi(gF_x) = gxg^-1 tag13$
for any conjugate of $x$. Since $phi$ is a bijection, we conclude that
$vert G/F_x vert = vert C_x vert = n, tag14$
$OEDelta$.
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$begingroup$
Consider
$F_x = f in G, ; fxf^-1 = x ; tag 1$
that is, $F_x subset G$ is the set of group elements which fix $x in G$ under conjugation; it is easy to see that $F_x$ is in fact a subgroup of $G$, since for
$a, b in F_x tag 2$
we have
$(ab)x(ab)^-1 = (ab)x(b^-1a^-1) = a(bxb^-1)a^-1 = axa^-1 = a, tag 3$
and the identity $e in G$ is clearly in $F_x$:
$exe^-1 = exe = xe = x; tag 4$
and
$a in F_x Longleftrightarrow axa^-1 = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1xa = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1 in F_x. tag 5$
Now consider any coset $gF_x$ of $F_x$, where $g in G$; for $f in F_x$ we have
$(gf)x(gf)^-1 = (gf)x(f^-1g^-1) = g(fxg^-1)g^-1 = gxg^-1, tag 6$
which shows that elements $gf in gF_x$ all take $x$ to $gxg^-1$ under conjugation; in fact, the conjugate $gxg^-1$ only depends on the coset $gF_x$ and not upon its representative $g$; for if
$g_1F_x = g_2F_x, tag 7$
then
$g_1 = g_1e = g_2 f_1 tag 8$
for some $f_1 in F_x$, whence
$g_1xg_1^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(g_2f_1)^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(f_1^-1g_2^-1) = g_2(f_1xf_1^-1)g_2^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1; tag 9$
it follows then, that there is a well-defined map
$phi: G/F_x to C_x; tag10$
$phi$ is injective, for if
$phi(g_1F_x) = phi(g_2F_x), tag11$
then
$g_1xg_1^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1 Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_1^-1g_2) = x Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_2^-1g_1)^-1 = x$
$Longrightarrow g_2^-1g_1 in F_x Longrightarrow g_1 = g_2f, ; f in F_x Longrightarrow g_1F_x = g_2fF_x = g_2F_x; tag12$
$phi$ is also surjective, for
$phi(gF_x) = gxg^-1 tag13$
for any conjugate of $x$. Since $phi$ is a bijection, we conclude that
$vert G/F_x vert = vert C_x vert = n, tag14$
$OEDelta$.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider
$F_x = f in G, ; fxf^-1 = x ; tag 1$
that is, $F_x subset G$ is the set of group elements which fix $x in G$ under conjugation; it is easy to see that $F_x$ is in fact a subgroup of $G$, since for
$a, b in F_x tag 2$
we have
$(ab)x(ab)^-1 = (ab)x(b^-1a^-1) = a(bxb^-1)a^-1 = axa^-1 = a, tag 3$
and the identity $e in G$ is clearly in $F_x$:
$exe^-1 = exe = xe = x; tag 4$
and
$a in F_x Longleftrightarrow axa^-1 = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1xa = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1 in F_x. tag 5$
Now consider any coset $gF_x$ of $F_x$, where $g in G$; for $f in F_x$ we have
$(gf)x(gf)^-1 = (gf)x(f^-1g^-1) = g(fxg^-1)g^-1 = gxg^-1, tag 6$
which shows that elements $gf in gF_x$ all take $x$ to $gxg^-1$ under conjugation; in fact, the conjugate $gxg^-1$ only depends on the coset $gF_x$ and not upon its representative $g$; for if
$g_1F_x = g_2F_x, tag 7$
then
$g_1 = g_1e = g_2 f_1 tag 8$
for some $f_1 in F_x$, whence
$g_1xg_1^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(g_2f_1)^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(f_1^-1g_2^-1) = g_2(f_1xf_1^-1)g_2^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1; tag 9$
it follows then, that there is a well-defined map
$phi: G/F_x to C_x; tag10$
$phi$ is injective, for if
$phi(g_1F_x) = phi(g_2F_x), tag11$
then
$g_1xg_1^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1 Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_1^-1g_2) = x Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_2^-1g_1)^-1 = x$
$Longrightarrow g_2^-1g_1 in F_x Longrightarrow g_1 = g_2f, ; f in F_x Longrightarrow g_1F_x = g_2fF_x = g_2F_x; tag12$
$phi$ is also surjective, for
$phi(gF_x) = gxg^-1 tag13$
for any conjugate of $x$. Since $phi$ is a bijection, we conclude that
$vert G/F_x vert = vert C_x vert = n, tag14$
$OEDelta$.
$endgroup$
Consider
$F_x = f in G, ; fxf^-1 = x ; tag 1$
that is, $F_x subset G$ is the set of group elements which fix $x in G$ under conjugation; it is easy to see that $F_x$ is in fact a subgroup of $G$, since for
$a, b in F_x tag 2$
we have
$(ab)x(ab)^-1 = (ab)x(b^-1a^-1) = a(bxb^-1)a^-1 = axa^-1 = a, tag 3$
and the identity $e in G$ is clearly in $F_x$:
$exe^-1 = exe = xe = x; tag 4$
and
$a in F_x Longleftrightarrow axa^-1 = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1xa = x Longleftrightarrow a^-1 in F_x. tag 5$
Now consider any coset $gF_x$ of $F_x$, where $g in G$; for $f in F_x$ we have
$(gf)x(gf)^-1 = (gf)x(f^-1g^-1) = g(fxg^-1)g^-1 = gxg^-1, tag 6$
which shows that elements $gf in gF_x$ all take $x$ to $gxg^-1$ under conjugation; in fact, the conjugate $gxg^-1$ only depends on the coset $gF_x$ and not upon its representative $g$; for if
$g_1F_x = g_2F_x, tag 7$
then
$g_1 = g_1e = g_2 f_1 tag 8$
for some $f_1 in F_x$, whence
$g_1xg_1^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(g_2f_1)^-1 = (g_2f_1)x(f_1^-1g_2^-1) = g_2(f_1xf_1^-1)g_2^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1; tag 9$
it follows then, that there is a well-defined map
$phi: G/F_x to C_x; tag10$
$phi$ is injective, for if
$phi(g_1F_x) = phi(g_2F_x), tag11$
then
$g_1xg_1^-1 = g_2xg_2^-1 Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_1^-1g_2) = x Longrightarrow (g_2^-1g_1)x(g_2^-1g_1)^-1 = x$
$Longrightarrow g_2^-1g_1 in F_x Longrightarrow g_1 = g_2f, ; f in F_x Longrightarrow g_1F_x = g_2fF_x = g_2F_x; tag12$
$phi$ is also surjective, for
$phi(gF_x) = gxg^-1 tag13$
for any conjugate of $x$. Since $phi$ is a bijection, we conclude that
$vert G/F_x vert = vert C_x vert = n, tag14$
$OEDelta$.
answered May 6 at 4:59
Robert LewisRobert Lewis
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Hint: Notice that $C_x$ is an orbit of $x$ under the conjugation action of $G$ (on its own elements). Some elements of $G$ stabilize $x$ when they conjugate $x$ and some elements of $G$ push $x$ to a different member of this orbit.
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$begingroup$
Hint: Notice that $C_x$ is an orbit of $x$ under the conjugation action of $G$ (on its own elements). Some elements of $G$ stabilize $x$ when they conjugate $x$ and some elements of $G$ push $x$ to a different member of this orbit.
$endgroup$
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$begingroup$
Hint: Notice that $C_x$ is an orbit of $x$ under the conjugation action of $G$ (on its own elements). Some elements of $G$ stabilize $x$ when they conjugate $x$ and some elements of $G$ push $x$ to a different member of this orbit.
$endgroup$
Hint: Notice that $C_x$ is an orbit of $x$ under the conjugation action of $G$ (on its own elements). Some elements of $G$ stabilize $x$ when they conjugate $x$ and some elements of $G$ push $x$ to a different member of this orbit.
answered May 6 at 1:37
Eric TowersEric Towers
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