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Am I ethically obligated to go into work on an off day if the reason is sudden?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Can I be forced to cover for a colleague?Is it unprofessional to put in a two-weeks notice when it's not a Friday?How do I deal with a prejudiced coworker?Placed on work schedule despite approved time-off request. Is it unreasonable to push back on this?How much information to provide to my boss when taking a self-reported sick day?Calling off work for pain *after* dentists' appointmentOffice closed between Christmas and New Years. Giving 2 weeks noticeCan an employer ask a part time worker to come in 1 time a week on their day off for a 15 minute meeting?My girlfriend's job is expecting a lot of “extra” work and she's an hourly employeeMy boss asked me to take a one-day class, then signs it up as a day off
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At my work, we have a schedule option where you get every other Friday off. It is the standard schedule all new hires are given. Today, my manager implied that I need to go into work this Friday with the phrase "If you need me I'll probably be working from home tomorrow". But she never explicitly stated "you should probably come in tomorrow". Nor did I have time to ask her to clarify the statement because she was rushing on her way out.
For context, I am working on a task that is very high priority, and she said at the beginning of the week that it needs to get done. I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly). The specific task requires that I be in the building, so I cannot work from home. That said, I was never given an explicit heads up that I will need to work on a Friday that I am supposed to have off; the suddenness of the statement is what concerns me and prompted me asking this question. Therefore, the ethical quandary in question is the duty to finish my task versus the right to a day off that is part of my conditions of employment.
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Given the situation above, am I ethically obligated to come into work on my off day?
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Background
At my work, we have a schedule option where you get every other Friday off. It is the standard schedule all new hires are given. Today, my manager implied that I need to go into work this Friday with the phrase "If you need me I'll probably be working from home tomorrow". But she never explicitly stated "you should probably come in tomorrow". Nor did I have time to ask her to clarify the statement because she was rushing on her way out.
For context, I am working on a task that is very high priority, and she said at the beginning of the week that it needs to get done. I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly). The specific task requires that I be in the building, so I cannot work from home. That said, I was never given an explicit heads up that I will need to work on a Friday that I am supposed to have off; the suddenness of the statement is what concerns me and prompted me asking this question. Therefore, the ethical quandary in question is the duty to finish my task versus the right to a day off that is part of my conditions of employment.
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Given the situation above, am I ethically obligated to come into work on my off day?
united-states ethics time-off
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The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 2:14
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Maybe your manager forgot, whether it's your working or non-working Friday and just wanted to let you know she was available if needed?
– Arsak
Apr 12 at 8:51
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Don't kill your career on this molehill. Be a professional by either humbly seeking clarification or just get this high priority project completed. You can reconcile an extra day off with your boss after this unexpected work day is over.
– MonkeyZeus
Apr 12 at 12:10
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@Graham yes, in that moment she thought he was working, but as Joe S says, maybe she forgot it's his day off? If she really knew it was his day off and expected him to come in anyway, you'd think she would say something more explicit than an offhand comment.
– DaveG
Apr 12 at 13:43
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's essentially asking us to figure out whether or not your manager believes you will or, more importantly, should be working on Friday. This is something only your manager would know. If you were explicitly asked, it would be a different story, but we also wouldn't be able to tell you how important the task is or what formal or informal overtime policies your company has (although if you're just making up for the 1.5 hours "undertime" then it's presumably not overtime).
– Dukeling
Apr 12 at 13:46
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Background
At my work, we have a schedule option where you get every other Friday off. It is the standard schedule all new hires are given. Today, my manager implied that I need to go into work this Friday with the phrase "If you need me I'll probably be working from home tomorrow". But she never explicitly stated "you should probably come in tomorrow". Nor did I have time to ask her to clarify the statement because she was rushing on her way out.
For context, I am working on a task that is very high priority, and she said at the beginning of the week that it needs to get done. I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly). The specific task requires that I be in the building, so I cannot work from home. That said, I was never given an explicit heads up that I will need to work on a Friday that I am supposed to have off; the suddenness of the statement is what concerns me and prompted me asking this question. Therefore, the ethical quandary in question is the duty to finish my task versus the right to a day off that is part of my conditions of employment.
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Given the situation above, am I ethically obligated to come into work on my off day?
united-states ethics time-off
Background
At my work, we have a schedule option where you get every other Friday off. It is the standard schedule all new hires are given. Today, my manager implied that I need to go into work this Friday with the phrase "If you need me I'll probably be working from home tomorrow". But she never explicitly stated "you should probably come in tomorrow". Nor did I have time to ask her to clarify the statement because she was rushing on her way out.
For context, I am working on a task that is very high priority, and she said at the beginning of the week that it needs to get done. I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly). The specific task requires that I be in the building, so I cannot work from home. That said, I was never given an explicit heads up that I will need to work on a Friday that I am supposed to have off; the suddenness of the statement is what concerns me and prompted me asking this question. Therefore, the ethical quandary in question is the duty to finish my task versus the right to a day off that is part of my conditions of employment.
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Given the situation above, am I ethically obligated to come into work on my off day?
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The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 2:14
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Maybe your manager forgot, whether it's your working or non-working Friday and just wanted to let you know she was available if needed?
– Arsak
Apr 12 at 8:51
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Don't kill your career on this molehill. Be a professional by either humbly seeking clarification or just get this high priority project completed. You can reconcile an extra day off with your boss after this unexpected work day is over.
– MonkeyZeus
Apr 12 at 12:10
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@Graham yes, in that moment she thought he was working, but as Joe S says, maybe she forgot it's his day off? If she really knew it was his day off and expected him to come in anyway, you'd think she would say something more explicit than an offhand comment.
– DaveG
Apr 12 at 13:43
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's essentially asking us to figure out whether or not your manager believes you will or, more importantly, should be working on Friday. This is something only your manager would know. If you were explicitly asked, it would be a different story, but we also wouldn't be able to tell you how important the task is or what formal or informal overtime policies your company has (although if you're just making up for the 1.5 hours "undertime" then it's presumably not overtime).
– Dukeling
Apr 12 at 13:46
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The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 2:14
39
Maybe your manager forgot, whether it's your working or non-working Friday and just wanted to let you know she was available if needed?
– Arsak
Apr 12 at 8:51
10
Don't kill your career on this molehill. Be a professional by either humbly seeking clarification or just get this high priority project completed. You can reconcile an extra day off with your boss after this unexpected work day is over.
– MonkeyZeus
Apr 12 at 12:10
4
@Graham yes, in that moment she thought he was working, but as Joe S says, maybe she forgot it's his day off? If she really knew it was his day off and expected him to come in anyway, you'd think she would say something more explicit than an offhand comment.
– DaveG
Apr 12 at 13:43
17
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's essentially asking us to figure out whether or not your manager believes you will or, more importantly, should be working on Friday. This is something only your manager would know. If you were explicitly asked, it would be a different story, but we also wouldn't be able to tell you how important the task is or what formal or informal overtime policies your company has (although if you're just making up for the 1.5 hours "undertime" then it's presumably not overtime).
– Dukeling
Apr 12 at 13:46
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The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 2:14
The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 2:14
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39
Maybe your manager forgot, whether it's your working or non-working Friday and just wanted to let you know she was available if needed?
– Arsak
Apr 12 at 8:51
Maybe your manager forgot, whether it's your working or non-working Friday and just wanted to let you know she was available if needed?
– Arsak
Apr 12 at 8:51
10
10
Don't kill your career on this molehill. Be a professional by either humbly seeking clarification or just get this high priority project completed. You can reconcile an extra day off with your boss after this unexpected work day is over.
– MonkeyZeus
Apr 12 at 12:10
Don't kill your career on this molehill. Be a professional by either humbly seeking clarification or just get this high priority project completed. You can reconcile an extra day off with your boss after this unexpected work day is over.
– MonkeyZeus
Apr 12 at 12:10
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4
@Graham yes, in that moment she thought he was working, but as Joe S says, maybe she forgot it's his day off? If she really knew it was his day off and expected him to come in anyway, you'd think she would say something more explicit than an offhand comment.
– DaveG
Apr 12 at 13:43
@Graham yes, in that moment she thought he was working, but as Joe S says, maybe she forgot it's his day off? If she really knew it was his day off and expected him to come in anyway, you'd think she would say something more explicit than an offhand comment.
– DaveG
Apr 12 at 13:43
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17
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's essentially asking us to figure out whether or not your manager believes you will or, more importantly, should be working on Friday. This is something only your manager would know. If you were explicitly asked, it would be a different story, but we also wouldn't be able to tell you how important the task is or what formal or informal overtime policies your company has (although if you're just making up for the 1.5 hours "undertime" then it's presumably not overtime).
– Dukeling
Apr 12 at 13:46
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's essentially asking us to figure out whether or not your manager believes you will or, more importantly, should be working on Friday. This is something only your manager would know. If you were explicitly asked, it would be a different story, but we also wouldn't be able to tell you how important the task is or what formal or informal overtime policies your company has (although if you're just making up for the 1.5 hours "undertime" then it's presumably not overtime).
– Dukeling
Apr 12 at 13:46
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You're not ethically obligated, especially since your boss didn't tell you to go in (extemporaneous remarks about her availability don't count). That said, it could be a wise move in terms of your future at the company.
As you progress in your career, you probably won't always have someone telling you explicitly when to work and when not to work but you will always have important deadlines and obligations that have to be met. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth cancelling your plans for your day off but it might be good to start thinking in terms what needs to get done (and what can wait) rather than just putting in your hours.
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It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
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Why guess? Send her an email or an IM asking her to clarify whether you’re needed.
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@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
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You are conflating two things here and not seeing a slightly bigger picture. The first is that you have important, urgent work to do and have taken some personal time out of the office to go to the doctor recently. From my point of view that is a good reason to go into work on a day off or work late on a few days to make sure everything is completed and signed off in a timely fashion. That way you make up the time and complete what is required.
The second thing is that you are overthinking a comment that was only meant to give you information and not imply anything. When your manager states that she is working from home if you need her for anything she isn't implying that you should be at work that day or that you could or would need her. All she is doing is saying where she will be. She probably didn't even consider whether you were working that day or not when she said it because she just wanted you to know where she is. In comments you say:
"The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her."
I don't think that that implication follows at all. I worked with someone who had a serious accident whilst on a day off (I was with him at the time as it was actually after work the evening before his day off) and our manager was working from home the next day. This meant that in spite of his not working he needed our manager to report that he wouldn't be in the following week thanks to the injury. There are countless other reasons why you might need your manager's location information even if you aren't working.
Following on from this she may not even have realized that you weren't going to be in the office at all. I had a boss who would say "see you tomorrow" when he left most Fridays. He didn't expect me to work on Saturday he just didn't always remember what day it was. My typical response was "you can come in if you like but I don't work Saturdays" and it was laughed off.
My third point is really why I'm writing this answer. You should never feel obligated to work on a day off. Ever. It actually hurts your productivity and the company in general if you don't get enough rest and sufficient down time. You need to make up any hours that you missed, and complete urgent tasks, obviously but that should not be to the detriment of your productivity. You should never feel ethically obligated to work during your time off as it is hurting rather than helping the company in most cases. You should feel obligated to take your rest and be refreshed for your work on your next shift. Some companies don't like this and expect you to work tonnes of overtime but only the most toxic ones don't understand this when it is explained to them.
Use your time off to become more productive when you are working, make sure that you complete urgent tasks on time, make up any hours that you have missed, and don't assume that because a manager gives you information about something it is because they expect you have to use it. Your manager is as human as mine who never knew what day it was!
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I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
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This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
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@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
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It seems to me that your manager was just advising her reports that she was going to be out of the office but available from home. It had no expectation of anything from you. That you have this Friday off probably didn't even occur to them.
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I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly).
If "need" means "my company forces me to" (as opposed to "I have to catch up at some point"), it means it relies on apothecary methods of measuring work time. In that case a Friday off is off, even if the world is crumbling. Because precise time management.
I am fully aware that this is not the right approach for a successful career in that company but this is not the company I would like to have a career in.
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There is no ethics in business, strictly speaking, so the answer is no.
However, from the perspective of career and expectations, if you were asked to come in on a free day and something very important depended on it, then it would be the right thing to do to come in. And the right thing for the company would be to reward this dedication, as well as give you another day of your choice off.
In your situation, you were not explicitly asked to come in. The right thing to do would be to get clarification. By whatever is the best way to reach your boss, make it clear that if you are needed for the important deadline, you are ready to come in on your free day. Make your own guess at whether or not this will make a difference to the deadline, and then say either:
"By my own estimate, I believe that it would be for the best of the project if I did came. I'd like your ok on that, and I will gladly move my free day somewhen else."
or
"By my own estimate, it won't make a difference to the deadline which we will keep/miss whether or not I come in. But if you think different and request that I come, I will do so and move my free day to another date."
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Depends on your dedication. If you want to get the job done, impress the boss, and prove your value to the company, you'll do it.
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
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@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
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@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
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It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
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You're not ethically obligated, especially since your boss didn't tell you to go in (extemporaneous remarks about her availability don't count). That said, it could be a wise move in terms of your future at the company.
As you progress in your career, you probably won't always have someone telling you explicitly when to work and when not to work but you will always have important deadlines and obligations that have to be met. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth cancelling your plans for your day off but it might be good to start thinking in terms what needs to get done (and what can wait) rather than just putting in your hours.
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It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
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You're not ethically obligated, especially since your boss didn't tell you to go in (extemporaneous remarks about her availability don't count). That said, it could be a wise move in terms of your future at the company.
As you progress in your career, you probably won't always have someone telling you explicitly when to work and when not to work but you will always have important deadlines and obligations that have to be met. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth cancelling your plans for your day off but it might be good to start thinking in terms what needs to get done (and what can wait) rather than just putting in your hours.
49
It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
add a comment |
You're not ethically obligated, especially since your boss didn't tell you to go in (extemporaneous remarks about her availability don't count). That said, it could be a wise move in terms of your future at the company.
As you progress in your career, you probably won't always have someone telling you explicitly when to work and when not to work but you will always have important deadlines and obligations that have to be met. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth cancelling your plans for your day off but it might be good to start thinking in terms what needs to get done (and what can wait) rather than just putting in your hours.
You're not ethically obligated, especially since your boss didn't tell you to go in (extemporaneous remarks about her availability don't count). That said, it could be a wise move in terms of your future at the company.
As you progress in your career, you probably won't always have someone telling you explicitly when to work and when not to work but you will always have important deadlines and obligations that have to be met. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth cancelling your plans for your day off but it might be good to start thinking in terms what needs to get done (and what can wait) rather than just putting in your hours.
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answered Apr 12 at 3:30
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It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
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It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
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It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
It seems like a good opportunity to go into work in order to work off the 1.5 owed hours. That way OP is showing willing by going in on their day off to do extra work to try to meet the deadline, they're also clearing their indebted hours at the same time. Obviously if they have a 4 hours round-trip commute or something they might not want to do that, but if it's not going to be especially difficult to get into the office, that seems like a reasonable compromise.
– delinear
Apr 12 at 7:22
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
Do not just randomly go and work a day you're not supposed to. At least in Europe, this can get your employer into legal problems (strict overtime laws, working unreported hours etc.), and you can even get fired. I remember a case like that from news. While US may be different, I don't think any company likes unplanned overtime.
– Davor
Apr 13 at 20:24
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Why guess? Send her an email or an IM asking her to clarify whether you’re needed.
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@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
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Why guess? Send her an email or an IM asking her to clarify whether you’re needed.
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@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
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Why guess? Send her an email or an IM asking her to clarify whether you’re needed.
Why guess? Send her an email or an IM asking her to clarify whether you’re needed.
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@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
add a comment |
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@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
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@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
@PrajeethEmanuel Stack Exchange should never be the first stop. It's not meant to be a personal help desk.
– pipe
Apr 12 at 12:53
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
I agree with what is written but this does not answer the question asked and should be just a comment.
– Roman Konoval
Apr 14 at 21:51
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
"Assumptions are the mother of all f#*k-ups" - go ahead and clarify things - explicitly - you are ethically obligated to do that.
– virolino
21 hours ago
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You are conflating two things here and not seeing a slightly bigger picture. The first is that you have important, urgent work to do and have taken some personal time out of the office to go to the doctor recently. From my point of view that is a good reason to go into work on a day off or work late on a few days to make sure everything is completed and signed off in a timely fashion. That way you make up the time and complete what is required.
The second thing is that you are overthinking a comment that was only meant to give you information and not imply anything. When your manager states that she is working from home if you need her for anything she isn't implying that you should be at work that day or that you could or would need her. All she is doing is saying where she will be. She probably didn't even consider whether you were working that day or not when she said it because she just wanted you to know where she is. In comments you say:
"The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her."
I don't think that that implication follows at all. I worked with someone who had a serious accident whilst on a day off (I was with him at the time as it was actually after work the evening before his day off) and our manager was working from home the next day. This meant that in spite of his not working he needed our manager to report that he wouldn't be in the following week thanks to the injury. There are countless other reasons why you might need your manager's location information even if you aren't working.
Following on from this she may not even have realized that you weren't going to be in the office at all. I had a boss who would say "see you tomorrow" when he left most Fridays. He didn't expect me to work on Saturday he just didn't always remember what day it was. My typical response was "you can come in if you like but I don't work Saturdays" and it was laughed off.
My third point is really why I'm writing this answer. You should never feel obligated to work on a day off. Ever. It actually hurts your productivity and the company in general if you don't get enough rest and sufficient down time. You need to make up any hours that you missed, and complete urgent tasks, obviously but that should not be to the detriment of your productivity. You should never feel ethically obligated to work during your time off as it is hurting rather than helping the company in most cases. You should feel obligated to take your rest and be refreshed for your work on your next shift. Some companies don't like this and expect you to work tonnes of overtime but only the most toxic ones don't understand this when it is explained to them.
Use your time off to become more productive when you are working, make sure that you complete urgent tasks on time, make up any hours that you have missed, and don't assume that because a manager gives you information about something it is because they expect you have to use it. Your manager is as human as mine who never knew what day it was!
1
I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
2
This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
1
@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
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You are conflating two things here and not seeing a slightly bigger picture. The first is that you have important, urgent work to do and have taken some personal time out of the office to go to the doctor recently. From my point of view that is a good reason to go into work on a day off or work late on a few days to make sure everything is completed and signed off in a timely fashion. That way you make up the time and complete what is required.
The second thing is that you are overthinking a comment that was only meant to give you information and not imply anything. When your manager states that she is working from home if you need her for anything she isn't implying that you should be at work that day or that you could or would need her. All she is doing is saying where she will be. She probably didn't even consider whether you were working that day or not when she said it because she just wanted you to know where she is. In comments you say:
"The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her."
I don't think that that implication follows at all. I worked with someone who had a serious accident whilst on a day off (I was with him at the time as it was actually after work the evening before his day off) and our manager was working from home the next day. This meant that in spite of his not working he needed our manager to report that he wouldn't be in the following week thanks to the injury. There are countless other reasons why you might need your manager's location information even if you aren't working.
Following on from this she may not even have realized that you weren't going to be in the office at all. I had a boss who would say "see you tomorrow" when he left most Fridays. He didn't expect me to work on Saturday he just didn't always remember what day it was. My typical response was "you can come in if you like but I don't work Saturdays" and it was laughed off.
My third point is really why I'm writing this answer. You should never feel obligated to work on a day off. Ever. It actually hurts your productivity and the company in general if you don't get enough rest and sufficient down time. You need to make up any hours that you missed, and complete urgent tasks, obviously but that should not be to the detriment of your productivity. You should never feel ethically obligated to work during your time off as it is hurting rather than helping the company in most cases. You should feel obligated to take your rest and be refreshed for your work on your next shift. Some companies don't like this and expect you to work tonnes of overtime but only the most toxic ones don't understand this when it is explained to them.
Use your time off to become more productive when you are working, make sure that you complete urgent tasks on time, make up any hours that you have missed, and don't assume that because a manager gives you information about something it is because they expect you have to use it. Your manager is as human as mine who never knew what day it was!
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I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
2
This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
1
@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
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You are conflating two things here and not seeing a slightly bigger picture. The first is that you have important, urgent work to do and have taken some personal time out of the office to go to the doctor recently. From my point of view that is a good reason to go into work on a day off or work late on a few days to make sure everything is completed and signed off in a timely fashion. That way you make up the time and complete what is required.
The second thing is that you are overthinking a comment that was only meant to give you information and not imply anything. When your manager states that she is working from home if you need her for anything she isn't implying that you should be at work that day or that you could or would need her. All she is doing is saying where she will be. She probably didn't even consider whether you were working that day or not when she said it because she just wanted you to know where she is. In comments you say:
"The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her."
I don't think that that implication follows at all. I worked with someone who had a serious accident whilst on a day off (I was with him at the time as it was actually after work the evening before his day off) and our manager was working from home the next day. This meant that in spite of his not working he needed our manager to report that he wouldn't be in the following week thanks to the injury. There are countless other reasons why you might need your manager's location information even if you aren't working.
Following on from this she may not even have realized that you weren't going to be in the office at all. I had a boss who would say "see you tomorrow" when he left most Fridays. He didn't expect me to work on Saturday he just didn't always remember what day it was. My typical response was "you can come in if you like but I don't work Saturdays" and it was laughed off.
My third point is really why I'm writing this answer. You should never feel obligated to work on a day off. Ever. It actually hurts your productivity and the company in general if you don't get enough rest and sufficient down time. You need to make up any hours that you missed, and complete urgent tasks, obviously but that should not be to the detriment of your productivity. You should never feel ethically obligated to work during your time off as it is hurting rather than helping the company in most cases. You should feel obligated to take your rest and be refreshed for your work on your next shift. Some companies don't like this and expect you to work tonnes of overtime but only the most toxic ones don't understand this when it is explained to them.
Use your time off to become more productive when you are working, make sure that you complete urgent tasks on time, make up any hours that you have missed, and don't assume that because a manager gives you information about something it is because they expect you have to use it. Your manager is as human as mine who never knew what day it was!
You are conflating two things here and not seeing a slightly bigger picture. The first is that you have important, urgent work to do and have taken some personal time out of the office to go to the doctor recently. From my point of view that is a good reason to go into work on a day off or work late on a few days to make sure everything is completed and signed off in a timely fashion. That way you make up the time and complete what is required.
The second thing is that you are overthinking a comment that was only meant to give you information and not imply anything. When your manager states that she is working from home if you need her for anything she isn't implying that you should be at work that day or that you could or would need her. All she is doing is saying where she will be. She probably didn't even consider whether you were working that day or not when she said it because she just wanted you to know where she is. In comments you say:
"The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her."
I don't think that that implication follows at all. I worked with someone who had a serious accident whilst on a day off (I was with him at the time as it was actually after work the evening before his day off) and our manager was working from home the next day. This meant that in spite of his not working he needed our manager to report that he wouldn't be in the following week thanks to the injury. There are countless other reasons why you might need your manager's location information even if you aren't working.
Following on from this she may not even have realized that you weren't going to be in the office at all. I had a boss who would say "see you tomorrow" when he left most Fridays. He didn't expect me to work on Saturday he just didn't always remember what day it was. My typical response was "you can come in if you like but I don't work Saturdays" and it was laughed off.
My third point is really why I'm writing this answer. You should never feel obligated to work on a day off. Ever. It actually hurts your productivity and the company in general if you don't get enough rest and sufficient down time. You need to make up any hours that you missed, and complete urgent tasks, obviously but that should not be to the detriment of your productivity. You should never feel ethically obligated to work during your time off as it is hurting rather than helping the company in most cases. You should feel obligated to take your rest and be refreshed for your work on your next shift. Some companies don't like this and expect you to work tonnes of overtime but only the most toxic ones don't understand this when it is explained to them.
Use your time off to become more productive when you are working, make sure that you complete urgent tasks on time, make up any hours that you have missed, and don't assume that because a manager gives you information about something it is because they expect you have to use it. Your manager is as human as mine who never knew what day it was!
answered Apr 12 at 8:14
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I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
2
This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
1
@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
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1
I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
2
This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
1
@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
1
1
I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
I agree you shouldn't be obligated to rearrange your life around work deadlines, but on the other hand you should feel obligated to give a warning of anything that will impact those deadlines, be it medical appointments, regular "9 day fortnights", pre-booked holidays, or whatever. You manager most likely doesn't know (or care) which alternate Fridays you are not at work, but he/she will care (and will most likely take some action to fix the problem!) if he/she knows in advance your part of this project is likely to be late. So don't try to hide that fact and hope it won't happen!
– alephzero
Apr 13 at 11:37
2
2
This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
This is definitely a great answer (+1), I just slightly disagree with the notion that the manager's statement was purely informative. It seems more likely that she either did not realize that OP would have this day off, or for other reasons hoped OP would come in that day. It feels rather different from the see-you-tomorrow-on-Saturday thing -- that's something said on a habitual routine whereas this one isn't.
– Mehrdad
Apr 13 at 21:13
1
1
@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
@Mehrdad If I'm doing home office, my main thought is that I need to inform my team about it. Which one of the team will be needing me or be in the office, I don't care and don't know at that point, I just have one mental task to inform everyone which I will tick off. In that perspective it is quite the same as the Saturday thing. Yes, you don't say it every day, but when you say either your main concern is an information broadcast irrespective of the actual needs/state of your receivers.
– Frank Hopkins
Apr 14 at 5:03
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It seems to me that your manager was just advising her reports that she was going to be out of the office but available from home. It had no expectation of anything from you. That you have this Friday off probably didn't even occur to them.
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It seems to me that your manager was just advising her reports that she was going to be out of the office but available from home. It had no expectation of anything from you. That you have this Friday off probably didn't even occur to them.
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It seems to me that your manager was just advising her reports that she was going to be out of the office but available from home. It had no expectation of anything from you. That you have this Friday off probably didn't even occur to them.
It seems to me that your manager was just advising her reports that she was going to be out of the office but available from home. It had no expectation of anything from you. That you have this Friday off probably didn't even occur to them.
answered Apr 12 at 13:25
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I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly).
If "need" means "my company forces me to" (as opposed to "I have to catch up at some point"), it means it relies on apothecary methods of measuring work time. In that case a Friday off is off, even if the world is crumbling. Because precise time management.
I am fully aware that this is not the right approach for a successful career in that company but this is not the company I would like to have a career in.
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I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly).
If "need" means "my company forces me to" (as opposed to "I have to catch up at some point"), it means it relies on apothecary methods of measuring work time. In that case a Friday off is off, even if the world is crumbling. Because precise time management.
I am fully aware that this is not the right approach for a successful career in that company but this is not the company I would like to have a career in.
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I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly).
If "need" means "my company forces me to" (as opposed to "I have to catch up at some point"), it means it relies on apothecary methods of measuring work time. In that case a Friday off is off, even if the world is crumbling. Because precise time management.
I am fully aware that this is not the right approach for a successful career in that company but this is not the company I would like to have a career in.
I also had a doctor's appointment a week ago and still need to make up work time to compensate (1.5 hours exactly).
If "need" means "my company forces me to" (as opposed to "I have to catch up at some point"), it means it relies on apothecary methods of measuring work time. In that case a Friday off is off, even if the world is crumbling. Because precise time management.
I am fully aware that this is not the right approach for a successful career in that company but this is not the company I would like to have a career in.
answered Apr 12 at 19:56
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There is no ethics in business, strictly speaking, so the answer is no.
However, from the perspective of career and expectations, if you were asked to come in on a free day and something very important depended on it, then it would be the right thing to do to come in. And the right thing for the company would be to reward this dedication, as well as give you another day of your choice off.
In your situation, you were not explicitly asked to come in. The right thing to do would be to get clarification. By whatever is the best way to reach your boss, make it clear that if you are needed for the important deadline, you are ready to come in on your free day. Make your own guess at whether or not this will make a difference to the deadline, and then say either:
"By my own estimate, I believe that it would be for the best of the project if I did came. I'd like your ok on that, and I will gladly move my free day somewhen else."
or
"By my own estimate, it won't make a difference to the deadline which we will keep/miss whether or not I come in. But if you think different and request that I come, I will do so and move my free day to another date."
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There is no ethics in business, strictly speaking, so the answer is no.
However, from the perspective of career and expectations, if you were asked to come in on a free day and something very important depended on it, then it would be the right thing to do to come in. And the right thing for the company would be to reward this dedication, as well as give you another day of your choice off.
In your situation, you were not explicitly asked to come in. The right thing to do would be to get clarification. By whatever is the best way to reach your boss, make it clear that if you are needed for the important deadline, you are ready to come in on your free day. Make your own guess at whether or not this will make a difference to the deadline, and then say either:
"By my own estimate, I believe that it would be for the best of the project if I did came. I'd like your ok on that, and I will gladly move my free day somewhen else."
or
"By my own estimate, it won't make a difference to the deadline which we will keep/miss whether or not I come in. But if you think different and request that I come, I will do so and move my free day to another date."
add a comment |
There is no ethics in business, strictly speaking, so the answer is no.
However, from the perspective of career and expectations, if you were asked to come in on a free day and something very important depended on it, then it would be the right thing to do to come in. And the right thing for the company would be to reward this dedication, as well as give you another day of your choice off.
In your situation, you were not explicitly asked to come in. The right thing to do would be to get clarification. By whatever is the best way to reach your boss, make it clear that if you are needed for the important deadline, you are ready to come in on your free day. Make your own guess at whether or not this will make a difference to the deadline, and then say either:
"By my own estimate, I believe that it would be for the best of the project if I did came. I'd like your ok on that, and I will gladly move my free day somewhen else."
or
"By my own estimate, it won't make a difference to the deadline which we will keep/miss whether or not I come in. But if you think different and request that I come, I will do so and move my free day to another date."
There is no ethics in business, strictly speaking, so the answer is no.
However, from the perspective of career and expectations, if you were asked to come in on a free day and something very important depended on it, then it would be the right thing to do to come in. And the right thing for the company would be to reward this dedication, as well as give you another day of your choice off.
In your situation, you were not explicitly asked to come in. The right thing to do would be to get clarification. By whatever is the best way to reach your boss, make it clear that if you are needed for the important deadline, you are ready to come in on your free day. Make your own guess at whether or not this will make a difference to the deadline, and then say either:
"By my own estimate, I believe that it would be for the best of the project if I did came. I'd like your ok on that, and I will gladly move my free day somewhen else."
or
"By my own estimate, it won't make a difference to the deadline which we will keep/miss whether or not I come in. But if you think different and request that I come, I will do so and move my free day to another date."
answered Apr 12 at 18:21
TomTom
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Depends on your dedication. If you want to get the job done, impress the boss, and prove your value to the company, you'll do it.
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
7
@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
1
@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
2
It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
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Depends on your dedication. If you want to get the job done, impress the boss, and prove your value to the company, you'll do it.
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
7
@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
1
@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
2
It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
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Depends on your dedication. If you want to get the job done, impress the boss, and prove your value to the company, you'll do it.
Depends on your dedication. If you want to get the job done, impress the boss, and prove your value to the company, you'll do it.
answered Apr 12 at 2:41
KeithKeith
3,9713722
3,9713722
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
7
@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
1
@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
2
It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
add a comment |
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
7
@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
1
@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
2
It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
I don't see why this is getting down votes...
– goblin
Apr 12 at 14:32
7
7
@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
@goblin My guess: It doesn't even touch upon the ethics aspect at all, even though he might have a more concise summary of what other people are mentioning above.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 15:34
1
1
@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
@gnasher729 I'm sayin'. If they want me to be available in my off hours then it damn well better be in 1) my contract and 2) my paycheck.
– MikeTheLiar
Apr 12 at 21:35
2
2
It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
It also doesn't elaborate on its suggestion at all, but rather simply asserts something to be true.
– V2Blast
Apr 13 at 4:30
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The implication is, she will be available if I need her. Why would I need her if I'm not there? I have to be there to need her.
– isakbob
Apr 12 at 2:14
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Maybe your manager forgot, whether it's your working or non-working Friday and just wanted to let you know she was available if needed?
– Arsak
Apr 12 at 8:51
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Don't kill your career on this molehill. Be a professional by either humbly seeking clarification or just get this high priority project completed. You can reconcile an extra day off with your boss after this unexpected work day is over.
– MonkeyZeus
Apr 12 at 12:10
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@Graham yes, in that moment she thought he was working, but as Joe S says, maybe she forgot it's his day off? If she really knew it was his day off and expected him to come in anyway, you'd think she would say something more explicit than an offhand comment.
– DaveG
Apr 12 at 13:43
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's essentially asking us to figure out whether or not your manager believes you will or, more importantly, should be working on Friday. This is something only your manager would know. If you were explicitly asked, it would be a different story, but we also wouldn't be able to tell you how important the task is or what formal or informal overtime policies your company has (although if you're just making up for the 1.5 hours "undertime" then it's presumably not overtime).
– Dukeling
Apr 12 at 13:46