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Are there physical dangers to preparing a prepared piano?


Is there a canonical piano grading system?Are there any compositions for piano that are impossible to play without a full-range keyboard?What are “full size” piano keys?Are there any good exercises for piano polyrhythm playing beyond Brahms exercises and Chopin?Rock , pop music , four part harmony and couterpoint , how are they relate to? Where I should start?Do there exist contemporary composers writing in the style of Viennese classical music?How often is the Sostenuto pedal used in classical and modern Piano Music?Are there good plug-n-play boxes to give piano sounds to a midi only keyboard?Why are there 7 sharps when there are only 5 black keys on a piano?What are piano keys made of?













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A prepared piano is a piano that has various objects applied directly onto (and perhaps into) the strings.



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The concept is most famous from John Cage, and his Sonata No. V is a common favorite; it's a one-man tribal gamelan!








I'm wondering if there are any dangers to preparing a prepared piano. I'm specifically curious about inserting screws, and whether doing so might affect the integrity of the strings, resulting in possible damage to the piano and to the preparer/performer.










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  • If you don't know him already you should definitely check out Hauschka. Lately he's been creating movie scores, but before that he recorded several albums using prepared pianos

    – Creynders
    Apr 26 at 13:56






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    I used to put thumb packs in to the hammers. That was certainly not good for the hammers. The most harmless was a tissue paper between string and hammers.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Apr 26 at 14:21











  • In this video Nahre Sol and Damon Groves demonstrate and discuss how to prepare a piano without damaging it: youtube.com/watch?v=Yi_iefmmuu4&t=1m20s

    – Your Uncle Bob
    Apr 26 at 20:57











  • I suppose it would be sacrilege to suggest running the piano thru your Effects Processor electronics to get the same effect.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Apr 29 at 18:24















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A prepared piano is a piano that has various objects applied directly onto (and perhaps into) the strings.



enter image description here



The concept is most famous from John Cage, and his Sonata No. V is a common favorite; it's a one-man tribal gamelan!








I'm wondering if there are any dangers to preparing a prepared piano. I'm specifically curious about inserting screws, and whether doing so might affect the integrity of the strings, resulting in possible damage to the piano and to the preparer/performer.










share|improve this question






















  • If you don't know him already you should definitely check out Hauschka. Lately he's been creating movie scores, but before that he recorded several albums using prepared pianos

    – Creynders
    Apr 26 at 13:56






  • 1





    I used to put thumb packs in to the hammers. That was certainly not good for the hammers. The most harmless was a tissue paper between string and hammers.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Apr 26 at 14:21











  • In this video Nahre Sol and Damon Groves demonstrate and discuss how to prepare a piano without damaging it: youtube.com/watch?v=Yi_iefmmuu4&t=1m20s

    – Your Uncle Bob
    Apr 26 at 20:57











  • I suppose it would be sacrilege to suggest running the piano thru your Effects Processor electronics to get the same effect.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Apr 29 at 18:24













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A prepared piano is a piano that has various objects applied directly onto (and perhaps into) the strings.



enter image description here



The concept is most famous from John Cage, and his Sonata No. V is a common favorite; it's a one-man tribal gamelan!








I'm wondering if there are any dangers to preparing a prepared piano. I'm specifically curious about inserting screws, and whether doing so might affect the integrity of the strings, resulting in possible damage to the piano and to the preparer/performer.










share|improve this question














A prepared piano is a piano that has various objects applied directly onto (and perhaps into) the strings.



enter image description here



The concept is most famous from John Cage, and his Sonata No. V is a common favorite; it's a one-man tribal gamelan!








I'm wondering if there are any dangers to preparing a prepared piano. I'm specifically curious about inserting screws, and whether doing so might affect the integrity of the strings, resulting in possible damage to the piano and to the preparer/performer.















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  • If you don't know him already you should definitely check out Hauschka. Lately he's been creating movie scores, but before that he recorded several albums using prepared pianos

    – Creynders
    Apr 26 at 13:56






  • 1





    I used to put thumb packs in to the hammers. That was certainly not good for the hammers. The most harmless was a tissue paper between string and hammers.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Apr 26 at 14:21











  • In this video Nahre Sol and Damon Groves demonstrate and discuss how to prepare a piano without damaging it: youtube.com/watch?v=Yi_iefmmuu4&t=1m20s

    – Your Uncle Bob
    Apr 26 at 20:57











  • I suppose it would be sacrilege to suggest running the piano thru your Effects Processor electronics to get the same effect.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Apr 29 at 18:24

















  • If you don't know him already you should definitely check out Hauschka. Lately he's been creating movie scores, but before that he recorded several albums using prepared pianos

    – Creynders
    Apr 26 at 13:56






  • 1





    I used to put thumb packs in to the hammers. That was certainly not good for the hammers. The most harmless was a tissue paper between string and hammers.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Apr 26 at 14:21











  • In this video Nahre Sol and Damon Groves demonstrate and discuss how to prepare a piano without damaging it: youtube.com/watch?v=Yi_iefmmuu4&t=1m20s

    – Your Uncle Bob
    Apr 26 at 20:57











  • I suppose it would be sacrilege to suggest running the piano thru your Effects Processor electronics to get the same effect.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Apr 29 at 18:24
















If you don't know him already you should definitely check out Hauschka. Lately he's been creating movie scores, but before that he recorded several albums using prepared pianos

– Creynders
Apr 26 at 13:56





If you don't know him already you should definitely check out Hauschka. Lately he's been creating movie scores, but before that he recorded several albums using prepared pianos

– Creynders
Apr 26 at 13:56




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I used to put thumb packs in to the hammers. That was certainly not good for the hammers. The most harmless was a tissue paper between string and hammers.

– Albrecht Hügli
Apr 26 at 14:21





I used to put thumb packs in to the hammers. That was certainly not good for the hammers. The most harmless was a tissue paper between string and hammers.

– Albrecht Hügli
Apr 26 at 14:21













In this video Nahre Sol and Damon Groves demonstrate and discuss how to prepare a piano without damaging it: youtube.com/watch?v=Yi_iefmmuu4&t=1m20s

– Your Uncle Bob
Apr 26 at 20:57





In this video Nahre Sol and Damon Groves demonstrate and discuss how to prepare a piano without damaging it: youtube.com/watch?v=Yi_iefmmuu4&t=1m20s

– Your Uncle Bob
Apr 26 at 20:57













I suppose it would be sacrilege to suggest running the piano thru your Effects Processor electronics to get the same effect.

– Carl Witthoft
Apr 29 at 18:24





I suppose it would be sacrilege to suggest running the piano thru your Effects Processor electronics to get the same effect.

– Carl Witthoft
Apr 29 at 18:24










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I've never heard of a string breaking or a piano being damaged (i.e. actively needing to be repaired) after being prepared. That said, your question is the specific reason why many institutions / organizations do not allow their pianos to be prepared: they are afraid of the possibility of damage.



This is similar to a violinist refusing to play col legno with their $20,000 bow. Often times they'll whip out a cheap "beater" bow that they don't care about. Similarly with pianos, many institutions have less-wonderful pianos that they won't mind if they get damaged.



Will using screws 1 time to prepare the piano hurt the strings? Not likely. But doing it repeatedly, in the same locations, for long periods of time? I think about the most damage one would see would be that the strings wear out faster. At around $1000 to replace, not everybody can afford new strings.



That said, it also depends on what you use. Objects like pieces of paper, plastic straws, and paper or wood are all less harmful to the strings as their material is softer. Any object whose material matches or exceeds the strings in hardness will damage the strings (this same principle is used in percussion playing).



With screws specifically I think it would have most to do with thickness and with how pronounced the grooves are. A machine screw will affect the piano differently than a wood screw. Whatever you use, I fail to see how a performer might get injured (unless they're playing a piece where they frequently move from playing outside to inside the piano, violently and loudly).



Many performers shy away from this type of music because:



  1. It takes a lot of time to prepare a piano

  2. It's hard to find an available piano

  3. They themselves are afraid of damaging the piano





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    What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

    – Michael Curtis
    Apr 26 at 14:30











  • What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

    – gidds
    Apr 26 at 23:29






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    @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

    – jjmusicnotes
    Apr 27 at 16:20






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    @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

    – jjmusicnotes
    Apr 27 at 16:21











  • @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

    – gidds
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Yes, you could potentially damage the piano. The likelihood of you damaging the piano depends on the specifics of the preparation. Even if the actual likelihood of damage is low, you must also consider the piano owner's perception of the likelihood of damage. If the piano is not yours, always ask the owner for permission before preparing. If you're at an academic institution, they might have a piano designated for this purpose, so talk to someone in the department.



It's not just a matter of what you're putting on the string; how you do it is just as important. For example, in your photo showing bolts between the strings, notice how they are held quite tightly by the strings? You can tell because they are actually displacing the strings. If this is what you want to do, don't screw the bolts in or use force to push them in! The correct way to do this is to use a wedge to spread the strings first, then insert the bolt, then remove the wedge. I think the common sense thing to do would be to have the strings resting in the groove between threads, so select your materials accordingly.



If the piano's owner -- whether you or someone else -- is worried about damage, there might be a less risky alternative to achieve the same or similar effect. Focus on the sound you want and be creative.






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    Cage and others were musical anarchists but clearly knew very little about engineering and machining. Instead of screws, you might want to develop small metal spacers with smooth half-cylinders to pick up the strings, and an adjustable "mast" to give some sort of vibratory resonance factor.

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      I've never heard of a string breaking or a piano being damaged (i.e. actively needing to be repaired) after being prepared. That said, your question is the specific reason why many institutions / organizations do not allow their pianos to be prepared: they are afraid of the possibility of damage.



      This is similar to a violinist refusing to play col legno with their $20,000 bow. Often times they'll whip out a cheap "beater" bow that they don't care about. Similarly with pianos, many institutions have less-wonderful pianos that they won't mind if they get damaged.



      Will using screws 1 time to prepare the piano hurt the strings? Not likely. But doing it repeatedly, in the same locations, for long periods of time? I think about the most damage one would see would be that the strings wear out faster. At around $1000 to replace, not everybody can afford new strings.



      That said, it also depends on what you use. Objects like pieces of paper, plastic straws, and paper or wood are all less harmful to the strings as their material is softer. Any object whose material matches or exceeds the strings in hardness will damage the strings (this same principle is used in percussion playing).



      With screws specifically I think it would have most to do with thickness and with how pronounced the grooves are. A machine screw will affect the piano differently than a wood screw. Whatever you use, I fail to see how a performer might get injured (unless they're playing a piece where they frequently move from playing outside to inside the piano, violently and loudly).



      Many performers shy away from this type of music because:



      1. It takes a lot of time to prepare a piano

      2. It's hard to find an available piano

      3. They themselves are afraid of damaging the piano





      share|improve this answer


















      • 2





        What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

        – Michael Curtis
        Apr 26 at 14:30











      • What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

        – gidds
        Apr 26 at 23:29






      • 1





        @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:20






      • 2





        @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:21











      • @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

        – gidds
        Apr 27 at 16:31















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      I've never heard of a string breaking or a piano being damaged (i.e. actively needing to be repaired) after being prepared. That said, your question is the specific reason why many institutions / organizations do not allow their pianos to be prepared: they are afraid of the possibility of damage.



      This is similar to a violinist refusing to play col legno with their $20,000 bow. Often times they'll whip out a cheap "beater" bow that they don't care about. Similarly with pianos, many institutions have less-wonderful pianos that they won't mind if they get damaged.



      Will using screws 1 time to prepare the piano hurt the strings? Not likely. But doing it repeatedly, in the same locations, for long periods of time? I think about the most damage one would see would be that the strings wear out faster. At around $1000 to replace, not everybody can afford new strings.



      That said, it also depends on what you use. Objects like pieces of paper, plastic straws, and paper or wood are all less harmful to the strings as their material is softer. Any object whose material matches or exceeds the strings in hardness will damage the strings (this same principle is used in percussion playing).



      With screws specifically I think it would have most to do with thickness and with how pronounced the grooves are. A machine screw will affect the piano differently than a wood screw. Whatever you use, I fail to see how a performer might get injured (unless they're playing a piece where they frequently move from playing outside to inside the piano, violently and loudly).



      Many performers shy away from this type of music because:



      1. It takes a lot of time to prepare a piano

      2. It's hard to find an available piano

      3. They themselves are afraid of damaging the piano





      share|improve this answer


















      • 2





        What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

        – Michael Curtis
        Apr 26 at 14:30











      • What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

        – gidds
        Apr 26 at 23:29






      • 1





        @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:20






      • 2





        @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:21











      • @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

        – gidds
        Apr 27 at 16:31













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      I've never heard of a string breaking or a piano being damaged (i.e. actively needing to be repaired) after being prepared. That said, your question is the specific reason why many institutions / organizations do not allow their pianos to be prepared: they are afraid of the possibility of damage.



      This is similar to a violinist refusing to play col legno with their $20,000 bow. Often times they'll whip out a cheap "beater" bow that they don't care about. Similarly with pianos, many institutions have less-wonderful pianos that they won't mind if they get damaged.



      Will using screws 1 time to prepare the piano hurt the strings? Not likely. But doing it repeatedly, in the same locations, for long periods of time? I think about the most damage one would see would be that the strings wear out faster. At around $1000 to replace, not everybody can afford new strings.



      That said, it also depends on what you use. Objects like pieces of paper, plastic straws, and paper or wood are all less harmful to the strings as their material is softer. Any object whose material matches or exceeds the strings in hardness will damage the strings (this same principle is used in percussion playing).



      With screws specifically I think it would have most to do with thickness and with how pronounced the grooves are. A machine screw will affect the piano differently than a wood screw. Whatever you use, I fail to see how a performer might get injured (unless they're playing a piece where they frequently move from playing outside to inside the piano, violently and loudly).



      Many performers shy away from this type of music because:



      1. It takes a lot of time to prepare a piano

      2. It's hard to find an available piano

      3. They themselves are afraid of damaging the piano





      share|improve this answer













      I've never heard of a string breaking or a piano being damaged (i.e. actively needing to be repaired) after being prepared. That said, your question is the specific reason why many institutions / organizations do not allow their pianos to be prepared: they are afraid of the possibility of damage.



      This is similar to a violinist refusing to play col legno with their $20,000 bow. Often times they'll whip out a cheap "beater" bow that they don't care about. Similarly with pianos, many institutions have less-wonderful pianos that they won't mind if they get damaged.



      Will using screws 1 time to prepare the piano hurt the strings? Not likely. But doing it repeatedly, in the same locations, for long periods of time? I think about the most damage one would see would be that the strings wear out faster. At around $1000 to replace, not everybody can afford new strings.



      That said, it also depends on what you use. Objects like pieces of paper, plastic straws, and paper or wood are all less harmful to the strings as their material is softer. Any object whose material matches or exceeds the strings in hardness will damage the strings (this same principle is used in percussion playing).



      With screws specifically I think it would have most to do with thickness and with how pronounced the grooves are. A machine screw will affect the piano differently than a wood screw. Whatever you use, I fail to see how a performer might get injured (unless they're playing a piece where they frequently move from playing outside to inside the piano, violently and loudly).



      Many performers shy away from this type of music because:



      1. It takes a lot of time to prepare a piano

      2. It's hard to find an available piano

      3. They themselves are afraid of damaging the piano






      share|improve this answer












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        What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

        – Michael Curtis
        Apr 26 at 14:30











      • What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

        – gidds
        Apr 26 at 23:29






      • 1





        @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:20






      • 2





        @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:21











      • @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

        – gidds
        Apr 27 at 16:31












      • 2





        What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

        – Michael Curtis
        Apr 26 at 14:30











      • What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

        – gidds
        Apr 26 at 23:29






      • 1





        @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:20






      • 2





        @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

        – jjmusicnotes
        Apr 27 at 16:21











      • @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

        – gidds
        Apr 27 at 16:31







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      What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

      – Michael Curtis
      Apr 26 at 14:30





      What about danger to the preparer? Could a string break and lash the preparer?

      – Michael Curtis
      Apr 26 at 14:30













      What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

      – gidds
      Apr 26 at 23:29





      What about damage to the piano's tone? Adding and then removing screws/nails/&c will leave holes in the wood (or dampers or wherever you put them), which could affect the tone even if the strings themselves are unaffected.

      – gidds
      Apr 26 at 23:29




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      @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

      – jjmusicnotes
      Apr 27 at 16:20





      @MichaelCurtis - Yes, anything could happen; monkeys could fly out of the piano and speak French. Is it likely? If the strings are old, if someone is careless, if the preparation is odd, sure, anything could happen. It could break and move toward the preparer. It could also break and go the other way. Is any of this likely? A piano string breaking for any reason is a rare occurrence.

      – jjmusicnotes
      Apr 27 at 16:20




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      @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

      – jjmusicnotes
      Apr 27 at 16:21





      @gidds - typically when preparing a piano, nothing but the strings are touched...if your screws are digging into the wood, you've gone too far! :O

      – jjmusicnotes
      Apr 27 at 16:21













      @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

      – gidds
      Apr 27 at 16:31





      @jjmusicnotes: Ah, that's OK then :-) (The picture isn't clear on that.)

      – gidds
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      Yes, you could potentially damage the piano. The likelihood of you damaging the piano depends on the specifics of the preparation. Even if the actual likelihood of damage is low, you must also consider the piano owner's perception of the likelihood of damage. If the piano is not yours, always ask the owner for permission before preparing. If you're at an academic institution, they might have a piano designated for this purpose, so talk to someone in the department.



      It's not just a matter of what you're putting on the string; how you do it is just as important. For example, in your photo showing bolts between the strings, notice how they are held quite tightly by the strings? You can tell because they are actually displacing the strings. If this is what you want to do, don't screw the bolts in or use force to push them in! The correct way to do this is to use a wedge to spread the strings first, then insert the bolt, then remove the wedge. I think the common sense thing to do would be to have the strings resting in the groove between threads, so select your materials accordingly.



      If the piano's owner -- whether you or someone else -- is worried about damage, there might be a less risky alternative to achieve the same or similar effect. Focus on the sound you want and be creative.






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        Yes, you could potentially damage the piano. The likelihood of you damaging the piano depends on the specifics of the preparation. Even if the actual likelihood of damage is low, you must also consider the piano owner's perception of the likelihood of damage. If the piano is not yours, always ask the owner for permission before preparing. If you're at an academic institution, they might have a piano designated for this purpose, so talk to someone in the department.



        It's not just a matter of what you're putting on the string; how you do it is just as important. For example, in your photo showing bolts between the strings, notice how they are held quite tightly by the strings? You can tell because they are actually displacing the strings. If this is what you want to do, don't screw the bolts in or use force to push them in! The correct way to do this is to use a wedge to spread the strings first, then insert the bolt, then remove the wedge. I think the common sense thing to do would be to have the strings resting in the groove between threads, so select your materials accordingly.



        If the piano's owner -- whether you or someone else -- is worried about damage, there might be a less risky alternative to achieve the same or similar effect. Focus on the sound you want and be creative.






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          Yes, you could potentially damage the piano. The likelihood of you damaging the piano depends on the specifics of the preparation. Even if the actual likelihood of damage is low, you must also consider the piano owner's perception of the likelihood of damage. If the piano is not yours, always ask the owner for permission before preparing. If you're at an academic institution, they might have a piano designated for this purpose, so talk to someone in the department.



          It's not just a matter of what you're putting on the string; how you do it is just as important. For example, in your photo showing bolts between the strings, notice how they are held quite tightly by the strings? You can tell because they are actually displacing the strings. If this is what you want to do, don't screw the bolts in or use force to push them in! The correct way to do this is to use a wedge to spread the strings first, then insert the bolt, then remove the wedge. I think the common sense thing to do would be to have the strings resting in the groove between threads, so select your materials accordingly.



          If the piano's owner -- whether you or someone else -- is worried about damage, there might be a less risky alternative to achieve the same or similar effect. Focus on the sound you want and be creative.






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          Yes, you could potentially damage the piano. The likelihood of you damaging the piano depends on the specifics of the preparation. Even if the actual likelihood of damage is low, you must also consider the piano owner's perception of the likelihood of damage. If the piano is not yours, always ask the owner for permission before preparing. If you're at an academic institution, they might have a piano designated for this purpose, so talk to someone in the department.



          It's not just a matter of what you're putting on the string; how you do it is just as important. For example, in your photo showing bolts between the strings, notice how they are held quite tightly by the strings? You can tell because they are actually displacing the strings. If this is what you want to do, don't screw the bolts in or use force to push them in! The correct way to do this is to use a wedge to spread the strings first, then insert the bolt, then remove the wedge. I think the common sense thing to do would be to have the strings resting in the groove between threads, so select your materials accordingly.



          If the piano's owner -- whether you or someone else -- is worried about damage, there might be a less risky alternative to achieve the same or similar effect. Focus on the sound you want and be creative.







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              Cage and others were musical anarchists but clearly knew very little about engineering and machining. Instead of screws, you might want to develop small metal spacers with smooth half-cylinders to pick up the strings, and an adjustable "mast" to give some sort of vibratory resonance factor.

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                Cage and others were musical anarchists but clearly knew very little about engineering and machining. Instead of screws, you might want to develop small metal spacers with smooth half-cylinders to pick up the strings, and an adjustable "mast" to give some sort of vibratory resonance factor.

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                  Cage and others were musical anarchists but clearly knew very little about engineering and machining. Instead of screws, you might want to develop small metal spacers with smooth half-cylinders to pick up the strings, and an adjustable "mast" to give some sort of vibratory resonance factor.

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                  Cage and others were musical anarchists but clearly knew very little about engineering and machining. Instead of screws, you might want to develop small metal spacers with smooth half-cylinders to pick up the strings, and an adjustable "mast" to give some sort of vibratory resonance factor.

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