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Has there been evidence of any other gods?
How did Melisandre know about Gendry's whereabouts?What are the real world analogues to the religions from Game of Thrones?How did the giant travel across the sea to Castle Black?Is there any evidence to clarify Jon Snow's fate?Why were only these people punished in “Oathbreaker”, and why in this manner?Does what happened to Jon Snow make him immune to White Walkers?Can Lyanna Mormont ask Jon to return Longclaw to House Mormont?Why do characters believe Littlefinger to be untrustworthy?Why did the Lord of Winterfell execute the deserter of the Night's WatchEvery man has fought against the Starks
IIRC, the only god we've seen real evidence of in Game of Thrones is the Lord of Light. We see it when Beric comes back to life, and well as a couple times with Melisandre (birthing the shadow and bringing Jon Snow back).
But, has there been any evidence of other gods throughout the series, or is the Lord of Light perhaps the actual one true god?
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IIRC, the only god we've seen real evidence of in Game of Thrones is the Lord of Light. We see it when Beric comes back to life, and well as a couple times with Melisandre (birthing the shadow and bringing Jon Snow back).
But, has there been any evidence of other gods throughout the series, or is the Lord of Light perhaps the actual one true god?
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Evidence? No..... the second part of your question is opinion-based I suspect.
– Paulie_D
May 8 at 12:34
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The problem is that we don't actually have specific evidence for the Lord of Light either. We can see Melisandre do quite some magic, but afterall the White Walkers and dragons are inherently magical things, too. So it might be a little fuzzy to argue if that ultimately speaks for her god's power or even existence.
– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 8 at 12:41
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Same question on the Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE: Is R'hllor, The Lord of Light, the only “real” god?
– Rand al'Thor
May 8 at 12:43
1
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:24
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Proving or disproving the existence of any deity in- or out-universe has eluded mankind for millennia. I don't see it being sorted out in one SE QA ;)
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 18:14
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IIRC, the only god we've seen real evidence of in Game of Thrones is the Lord of Light. We see it when Beric comes back to life, and well as a couple times with Melisandre (birthing the shadow and bringing Jon Snow back).
But, has there been any evidence of other gods throughout the series, or is the Lord of Light perhaps the actual one true god?
game-of-thrones
edited May 8 at 12:39
Napoleon Wilson♦
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asked May 8 at 12:27
CharlesCharles
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IIRC, the only god we've seen real evidence of in Game of Thrones is the Lord of Light. We see it when Beric comes back to life, and well as a couple times with Melisandre (birthing the shadow and bringing Jon Snow back).
But, has there been any evidence of other gods throughout the series, or is the Lord of Light perhaps the actual one true god?
game-of-thrones
game-of-thrones
edited May 8 at 12:39
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k45279535
asked May 8 at 12:27
CharlesCharles
4,414764104
edited May 8 at 12:39
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k45279535
asked May 8 at 12:27
CharlesCharles
4,414764104
edited May 8 at 12:39
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k45279535
edited May 8 at 12:39
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k45279535
edited May 8 at 12:39
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k45279535
42.6k45279535
asked May 8 at 12:27
CharlesCharles
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asked May 8 at 12:27
CharlesCharles
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asked May 8 at 12:27
CharlesCharles
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Evidence? No..... the second part of your question is opinion-based I suspect.
– Paulie_D
May 8 at 12:34
32
The problem is that we don't actually have specific evidence for the Lord of Light either. We can see Melisandre do quite some magic, but afterall the White Walkers and dragons are inherently magical things, too. So it might be a little fuzzy to argue if that ultimately speaks for her god's power or even existence.
– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 8 at 12:41
2
Same question on the Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE: Is R'hllor, The Lord of Light, the only “real” god?
– Rand al'Thor
May 8 at 12:43
1
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:24
5
Proving or disproving the existence of any deity in- or out-universe has eluded mankind for millennia. I don't see it being sorted out in one SE QA ;)
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 18:14
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show 10 more comments
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Evidence? No..... the second part of your question is opinion-based I suspect.
– Paulie_D
May 8 at 12:34
32
The problem is that we don't actually have specific evidence for the Lord of Light either. We can see Melisandre do quite some magic, but afterall the White Walkers and dragons are inherently magical things, too. So it might be a little fuzzy to argue if that ultimately speaks for her god's power or even existence.
– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 8 at 12:41
2
Same question on the Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE: Is R'hllor, The Lord of Light, the only “real” god?
– Rand al'Thor
May 8 at 12:43
1
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:24
5
Proving or disproving the existence of any deity in- or out-universe has eluded mankind for millennia. I don't see it being sorted out in one SE QA ;)
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 18:14
5
5
Evidence? No..... the second part of your question is opinion-based I suspect.
– Paulie_D
May 8 at 12:34
Evidence? No..... the second part of your question is opinion-based I suspect.
– Paulie_D
May 8 at 12:34
32
32
The problem is that we don't actually have specific evidence for the Lord of Light either. We can see Melisandre do quite some magic, but afterall the White Walkers and dragons are inherently magical things, too. So it might be a little fuzzy to argue if that ultimately speaks for her god's power or even existence.
– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 8 at 12:41
The problem is that we don't actually have specific evidence for the Lord of Light either. We can see Melisandre do quite some magic, but afterall the White Walkers and dragons are inherently magical things, too. So it might be a little fuzzy to argue if that ultimately speaks for her god's power or even existence.
– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 8 at 12:41
2
2
Same question on the Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE: Is R'hllor, The Lord of Light, the only “real” god?
– Rand al'Thor
May 8 at 12:43
Same question on the Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE: Is R'hllor, The Lord of Light, the only “real” god?
– Rand al'Thor
May 8 at 12:43
1
1
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:24
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:24
5
5
Proving or disproving the existence of any deity in- or out-universe has eluded mankind for millennia. I don't see it being sorted out in one SE QA ;)
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 18:14
Proving or disproving the existence of any deity in- or out-universe has eluded mankind for millennia. I don't see it being sorted out in one SE QA ;)
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 18:14
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I'm going to ignore situations that happened only in the books (i.e. some healers that worship the 7 and seem to perform miracles) and focus on what we've seen on the TV show.
Mirri Maz Duur: She used some pretty dark magic on Khal Drogo (and, to some extent, on Daenerys). She worships the Great Shepherd of the Lhazareen. Does that mean the Great Shepherd is real?
Ironborn: As mentioned above, the ironborn seem to drown and then come back to life. Does that mean the Drowned God is real?
Bran: It seems Bran's magic is linked to the Old Gods (in the books even more so through his Weirwood net). Does that mean the Old Gods are real?
White Walkers: Sure, they seem to be the enemies of the "lord of Light", but that's just based on what Melissandre says. We've seen they were created by the Children of the Forest, who are also linked to the Old Gods. So maybe what Melissandre says is just propaganda and the Old Gods are the real thing?
Plus we've seen some weird stuff in Essos (faceless men, Warlocks of Qarth, etc). Each with their own religions.
What we've seen in all these cases (and the ones you mentioned regarding R'hllor) are just proof that magic exists, not that a specific god exists.
Whether that magic is linked to a god or it's just something that is there (and people use gods as an explanation for the source of the magic) is something we'll never know.
I recall GRRM saying something like "the gods of Westeros are as real as ours", so make of that what you will!
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Many-Faced God is worshipped by the Faceless Men who clearly have some form of powerful magic granted to them. It isn't clear exactly how this magic works but we could extrapolate that is comes from the Many-Faced God.
However, the Many-Faced God is a god of many faces, clearly, and one of those faces is R'hllor, the Lord of Light that is worshipped by Melisandre and Thoros. Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light.
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
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There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
2
That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
2
"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
3
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
2
How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
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The Lord of Light and the Many Face god obvious made themselves known because we see things a happen that humans can't produce on their own.
I would argue, in the show the Drowned god has also proved its existence although it was very subtle. When Euron Greyjoy goes through his King ceremony he actually drowns and is brought back, "what is dead may never die". I've watched the scene a couple times and it doesn't look like they're playing around, he really drowns and is brought back by the Drowned god. And everyone there was normal with it because thats what they were expecting.
If the Drowned god is real and one of the old gods maybe theres enough evidence to at lease say the other ones used to exist. Just look what Bran can do, and we all know he's on team old gods because of his connection to the Weirwood tree.
Tbh, i'd like to think the new gods are fake. Hope you like my answer, I think the old gods are real/mostly retired.
answered May 8 at 15:45
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Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
2
@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
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@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
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In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
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I'm going to ignore situations that happened only in the books (i.e. some healers that worship the 7 and seem to perform miracles) and focus on what we've seen on the TV show.
Mirri Maz Duur: She used some pretty dark magic on Khal Drogo (and, to some extent, on Daenerys). She worships the Great Shepherd of the Lhazareen. Does that mean the Great Shepherd is real?
Ironborn: As mentioned above, the ironborn seem to drown and then come back to life. Does that mean the Drowned God is real?
Bran: It seems Bran's magic is linked to the Old Gods (in the books even more so through his Weirwood net). Does that mean the Old Gods are real?
White Walkers: Sure, they seem to be the enemies of the "lord of Light", but that's just based on what Melissandre says. We've seen they were created by the Children of the Forest, who are also linked to the Old Gods. So maybe what Melissandre says is just propaganda and the Old Gods are the real thing?
Plus we've seen some weird stuff in Essos (faceless men, Warlocks of Qarth, etc). Each with their own religions.
What we've seen in all these cases (and the ones you mentioned regarding R'hllor) are just proof that magic exists, not that a specific god exists.
Whether that magic is linked to a god or it's just something that is there (and people use gods as an explanation for the source of the magic) is something we'll never know.
I recall GRRM saying something like "the gods of Westeros are as real as ours", so make of that what you will!
answered May 9 at 1:04
godplusplusgodplusplus
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I'm going to ignore situations that happened only in the books (i.e. some healers that worship the 7 and seem to perform miracles) and focus on what we've seen on the TV show.
Mirri Maz Duur: She used some pretty dark magic on Khal Drogo (and, to some extent, on Daenerys). She worships the Great Shepherd of the Lhazareen. Does that mean the Great Shepherd is real?
Ironborn: As mentioned above, the ironborn seem to drown and then come back to life. Does that mean the Drowned God is real?
Bran: It seems Bran's magic is linked to the Old Gods (in the books even more so through his Weirwood net). Does that mean the Old Gods are real?
White Walkers: Sure, they seem to be the enemies of the "lord of Light", but that's just based on what Melissandre says. We've seen they were created by the Children of the Forest, who are also linked to the Old Gods. So maybe what Melissandre says is just propaganda and the Old Gods are the real thing?
Plus we've seen some weird stuff in Essos (faceless men, Warlocks of Qarth, etc). Each with their own religions.
What we've seen in all these cases (and the ones you mentioned regarding R'hllor) are just proof that magic exists, not that a specific god exists.
Whether that magic is linked to a god or it's just something that is there (and people use gods as an explanation for the source of the magic) is something we'll never know.
I recall GRRM saying something like "the gods of Westeros are as real as ours", so make of that what you will!
answered May 9 at 1:04
godplusplusgodplusplus
40612
add a comment |
I'm going to ignore situations that happened only in the books (i.e. some healers that worship the 7 and seem to perform miracles) and focus on what we've seen on the TV show.
Mirri Maz Duur: She used some pretty dark magic on Khal Drogo (and, to some extent, on Daenerys). She worships the Great Shepherd of the Lhazareen. Does that mean the Great Shepherd is real?
Ironborn: As mentioned above, the ironborn seem to drown and then come back to life. Does that mean the Drowned God is real?
Bran: It seems Bran's magic is linked to the Old Gods (in the books even more so through his Weirwood net). Does that mean the Old Gods are real?
White Walkers: Sure, they seem to be the enemies of the "lord of Light", but that's just based on what Melissandre says. We've seen they were created by the Children of the Forest, who are also linked to the Old Gods. So maybe what Melissandre says is just propaganda and the Old Gods are the real thing?
Plus we've seen some weird stuff in Essos (faceless men, Warlocks of Qarth, etc). Each with their own religions.
What we've seen in all these cases (and the ones you mentioned regarding R'hllor) are just proof that magic exists, not that a specific god exists.
Whether that magic is linked to a god or it's just something that is there (and people use gods as an explanation for the source of the magic) is something we'll never know.
I recall GRRM saying something like "the gods of Westeros are as real as ours", so make of that what you will!
answered May 9 at 1:04
godplusplusgodplusplus
40612
I'm going to ignore situations that happened only in the books (i.e. some healers that worship the 7 and seem to perform miracles) and focus on what we've seen on the TV show.
Mirri Maz Duur: She used some pretty dark magic on Khal Drogo (and, to some extent, on Daenerys). She worships the Great Shepherd of the Lhazareen. Does that mean the Great Shepherd is real?
Ironborn: As mentioned above, the ironborn seem to drown and then come back to life. Does that mean the Drowned God is real?
Bran: It seems Bran's magic is linked to the Old Gods (in the books even more so through his Weirwood net). Does that mean the Old Gods are real?
White Walkers: Sure, they seem to be the enemies of the "lord of Light", but that's just based on what Melissandre says. We've seen they were created by the Children of the Forest, who are also linked to the Old Gods. So maybe what Melissandre says is just propaganda and the Old Gods are the real thing?
Plus we've seen some weird stuff in Essos (faceless men, Warlocks of Qarth, etc). Each with their own religions.
What we've seen in all these cases (and the ones you mentioned regarding R'hllor) are just proof that magic exists, not that a specific god exists.
Whether that magic is linked to a god or it's just something that is there (and people use gods as an explanation for the source of the magic) is something we'll never know.
I recall GRRM saying something like "the gods of Westeros are as real as ours", so make of that what you will!
answered May 9 at 1:04
godplusplusgodplusplus
40612
answered May 9 at 1:04
godplusplusgodplusplus
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answered May 9 at 1:04
godplusplusgodplusplus
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answered May 9 at 1:04
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Many-Faced God is worshipped by the Faceless Men who clearly have some form of powerful magic granted to them. It isn't clear exactly how this magic works but we could extrapolate that is comes from the Many-Faced God.
However, the Many-Faced God is a god of many faces, clearly, and one of those faces is R'hllor, the Lord of Light that is worshipped by Melisandre and Thoros. Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light.
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
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There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
2
That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
2
"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
3
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
2
How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
May 9 at 9:32
|
show 6 more comments
Many-Faced God is worshipped by the Faceless Men who clearly have some form of powerful magic granted to them. It isn't clear exactly how this magic works but we could extrapolate that is comes from the Many-Faced God.
However, the Many-Faced God is a god of many faces, clearly, and one of those faces is R'hllor, the Lord of Light that is worshipped by Melisandre and Thoros. Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light.
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
8,5364161
2
There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
2
That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
2
"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
3
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
2
How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
May 9 at 9:32
|
show 6 more comments
Many-Faced God is worshipped by the Faceless Men who clearly have some form of powerful magic granted to them. It isn't clear exactly how this magic works but we could extrapolate that is comes from the Many-Faced God.
However, the Many-Faced God is a god of many faces, clearly, and one of those faces is R'hllor, the Lord of Light that is worshipped by Melisandre and Thoros. Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light.
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
8,5364161
Many-Faced God is worshipped by the Faceless Men who clearly have some form of powerful magic granted to them. It isn't clear exactly how this magic works but we could extrapolate that is comes from the Many-Faced God.
However, the Many-Faced God is a god of many faces, clearly, and one of those faces is R'hllor, the Lord of Light that is worshipped by Melisandre and Thoros. Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light.
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
8,5364161
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
8,5364161
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
8,5364161
answered May 8 at 12:34
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
8,5364161
8,5364161
2
There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
2
That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
2
"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
3
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
2
How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
May 9 at 9:32
|
show 6 more comments
2
There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
2
That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
2
"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
3
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
2
How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
May 9 at 9:32
2
2
There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
There's also 'magic' unattributed to any deity - that dragon glass & valyrian steel have 'special powers'.
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 13:06
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That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
That's why I think everything Arya can do is not inconceivable and I think it was definitely curious that Melisandre either triggered something in Arya or passed her along a message, but it's not like Melisandre hasn't mysteriously spoken words of the dead before (Y'Gritte to Jon) and that Faceless Men seem to be able to read minds or also get sensory information from the beyond (JH recited the names on Arya's list)...
– Darth Locke
May 8 at 13:10
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"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
"Therefore, it isn't inconceivable that their power also comes from the Lord of Light." uh? you meant the Many-Faced God?
– Federico
May 8 at 13:35
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@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:23
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How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
May 9 at 9:32
How did you made the connection: 1. The god is manyfaced 2. One of the faces is of another god ??? There's no reason to assume this is correct.
– Иво Недев
May 9 at 9:32
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The Lord of Light and the Many Face god obvious made themselves known because we see things a happen that humans can't produce on their own.
I would argue, in the show the Drowned god has also proved its existence although it was very subtle. When Euron Greyjoy goes through his King ceremony he actually drowns and is brought back, "what is dead may never die". I've watched the scene a couple times and it doesn't look like they're playing around, he really drowns and is brought back by the Drowned god. And everyone there was normal with it because thats what they were expecting.
If the Drowned god is real and one of the old gods maybe theres enough evidence to at lease say the other ones used to exist. Just look what Bran can do, and we all know he's on team old gods because of his connection to the Weirwood tree.
Tbh, i'd like to think the new gods are fake. Hope you like my answer, I think the old gods are real/mostly retired.
answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
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Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
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@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
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@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
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In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
May 9 at 6:13
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The Lord of Light and the Many Face god obvious made themselves known because we see things a happen that humans can't produce on their own.
I would argue, in the show the Drowned god has also proved its existence although it was very subtle. When Euron Greyjoy goes through his King ceremony he actually drowns and is brought back, "what is dead may never die". I've watched the scene a couple times and it doesn't look like they're playing around, he really drowns and is brought back by the Drowned god. And everyone there was normal with it because thats what they were expecting.
If the Drowned god is real and one of the old gods maybe theres enough evidence to at lease say the other ones used to exist. Just look what Bran can do, and we all know he's on team old gods because of his connection to the Weirwood tree.
Tbh, i'd like to think the new gods are fake. Hope you like my answer, I think the old gods are real/mostly retired.
answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1514
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Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
7
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
2
@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
2
@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
2
In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
May 9 at 6:13
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show 4 more comments
The Lord of Light and the Many Face god obvious made themselves known because we see things a happen that humans can't produce on their own.
I would argue, in the show the Drowned god has also proved its existence although it was very subtle. When Euron Greyjoy goes through his King ceremony he actually drowns and is brought back, "what is dead may never die". I've watched the scene a couple times and it doesn't look like they're playing around, he really drowns and is brought back by the Drowned god. And everyone there was normal with it because thats what they were expecting.
If the Drowned god is real and one of the old gods maybe theres enough evidence to at lease say the other ones used to exist. Just look what Bran can do, and we all know he's on team old gods because of his connection to the Weirwood tree.
Tbh, i'd like to think the new gods are fake. Hope you like my answer, I think the old gods are real/mostly retired.
answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1514
The Lord of Light and the Many Face god obvious made themselves known because we see things a happen that humans can't produce on their own.
I would argue, in the show the Drowned god has also proved its existence although it was very subtle. When Euron Greyjoy goes through his King ceremony he actually drowns and is brought back, "what is dead may never die". I've watched the scene a couple times and it doesn't look like they're playing around, he really drowns and is brought back by the Drowned god. And everyone there was normal with it because thats what they were expecting.
If the Drowned god is real and one of the old gods maybe theres enough evidence to at lease say the other ones used to exist. Just look what Bran can do, and we all know he's on team old gods because of his connection to the Weirwood tree.
Tbh, i'd like to think the new gods are fake. Hope you like my answer, I think the old gods are real/mostly retired.
answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
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answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
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answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
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answered May 8 at 15:45
JeffyxJeffyx
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Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
2
@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
2
@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
2
In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
May 9 at 6:13
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Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
7
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
2
@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
2
@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
2
In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
May 9 at 6:13
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Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
Who says that humans can't do those things on their own? Magic exists, but there's no proof that magic is provided by any gods.
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:22
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7
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a god.
– Ramon Snir
May 8 at 20:06
2
2
@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
@Jeffyx: More info: In the books, they're quite clear that it's very common for people to drown and die during the drowning ceremony, but there's on particularly holy priest who's done tons of these, and has never lost a single person.
– Mooing Duck
May 8 at 22:32
2
2
@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
@Jeffyx: Mind you, wasn't Qyburn also the one who noted that their "scientific" wildfire just happened to be getting easier to make (at almost the exact same time Dany's dragons hatched). Just because they think it's science doesn't mean it isn't magically powered.
– ShadowRanger
May 9 at 4:38
2
2
In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
May 9 at 6:13
In the books the drownings are the Iron Islands extremely metal form of a baptism. They DO drown the person, but the priests are extremely well practiced at mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Victarion Greyjoy (who drowns Euron) has never lost one. Other priests do sometimes lose people during drownings, but it’s still common for priests to wander the islands inviting the faithful to reinforce their faith by being drowned. It’s nothing to do with magic, and all to do with the skill of the priest
– s3raph86
May 9 at 6:13
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Evidence? No..... the second part of your question is opinion-based I suspect.
– Paulie_D
May 8 at 12:34
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The problem is that we don't actually have specific evidence for the Lord of Light either. We can see Melisandre do quite some magic, but afterall the White Walkers and dragons are inherently magical things, too. So it might be a little fuzzy to argue if that ultimately speaks for her god's power or even existence.
– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 8 at 12:41
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Same question on the Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE: Is R'hllor, The Lord of Light, the only “real” god?
– Rand al'Thor
May 8 at 12:43
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@DarthLocke "apart" or "a part"?
– OrangeDog
May 8 at 16:24
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Proving or disproving the existence of any deity in- or out-universe has eluded mankind for millennia. I don't see it being sorted out in one SE QA ;)
– Tetsujin
May 8 at 18:14