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Can the bitcoin lightning network support more than 8 decimal places?
Can you send amounts that would typically be considered 'dust' through the Lightning Network?Is Lightning Network a risk for Bitcoin security since it reduces miner fees?In a Lightning Network who commits to the blockchain the final transaction?In the Lightning Network, what happens if a “middle node” suddenly goes dormant for a long while?How come the lightning network creators believe the fees will be zero?Can Lightning Network be used for individual small transactions?Will Lightning Network still require a confirmation from the network?What is the size of different types of channel funding/closing transactions for the Lightning Network?Routing in Bitcoin Lightning NetworkCan someone please explain the meaning of “neutrino” within the lightning network?
Say Bitcoin goes to 1 a million dollars. We need more decimals, but btc core only supports 8 decimals? By that time its safe to assume everyone will be using lightning to do transactions, but will lightning have support for more than 8 decimals?
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Say Bitcoin goes to 1 a million dollars. We need more decimals, but btc core only supports 8 decimals? By that time its safe to assume everyone will be using lightning to do transactions, but will lightning have support for more than 8 decimals?
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Say Bitcoin goes to 1 a million dollars. We need more decimals, but btc core only supports 8 decimals? By that time its safe to assume everyone will be using lightning to do transactions, but will lightning have support for more than 8 decimals?
lightning-network satoshi
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Say Bitcoin goes to 1 a million dollars. We need more decimals, but btc core only supports 8 decimals? By that time its safe to assume everyone will be using lightning to do transactions, but will lightning have support for more than 8 decimals?
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Lightning uses millisatoshis as the unit of account for all transactions and routing fees, but the sub-satoshi balances are not reflected on the bitcoin blockchain in the event of channel closure.
When a channel is closed, any sub-satoshi amount held by each party is dropped from the commitment/closing transaction and goes towards payment of the on-chain transaction fee which miners collect.
Amounts below a satoshi, or rather, below dust_limit_satoshis, are made cooperatively between the parties of a channel and are not enforcible on-chain, but if many of such transactions are made, they add up to whole satoshi amounts which will be enforcible in later commitments.
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Generally lightning transfers the currency of the baselayer. In the case of Bitcoin the smallest unit of account is 1 Satosh. However the base unit on lightning is 1/1000 of 1 Satoshi. This means that smaller transfer of value than 1 Satoshi is possible. With this comes an issue: the base layer can't enforce sub Satoshi amounts. So while it is possible to make such payments and calculate with such amounts on lightning in the case of channel closing the amounts will be rounded and channel partners cannot rely on such amounts.
There are two solutions to have an enforcement of sub Satoshi amounts on chain. First one could do a Bitcoin fork that enables sub Satoshi amounts. Second there could be a sidechain line laid which peggs Bitcoin but internally supports a smaller denomination than Satoshi. The lightning network could also be extended to that base chain.
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
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I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
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https://lightning.engineering/index.html#faq
Lightning doesn't use its own token or currency, it only uses Bitcoin when on the Bitcoin blockchain. Lightning sends payments using the transaction format of the underlying blockchain. When running on Bitcoin, Lightning is actually exchanging native Bitcoin transactions—without the need to broadcast every transaction to the chain.
This suggests that Lightning transactions use the same units as Bitcoin, and that it is not possible to use Lightning (in its current form) to exchange amounts in denominations smaller than 1 satoshi.
answered May 17 at 17:13
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Lightning uses millisatoshis as the unit of account for all transactions and routing fees, but the sub-satoshi balances are not reflected on the bitcoin blockchain in the event of channel closure.
When a channel is closed, any sub-satoshi amount held by each party is dropped from the commitment/closing transaction and goes towards payment of the on-chain transaction fee which miners collect.
Amounts below a satoshi, or rather, below dust_limit_satoshis, are made cooperatively between the parties of a channel and are not enforcible on-chain, but if many of such transactions are made, they add up to whole satoshi amounts which will be enforcible in later commitments.
answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
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Lightning uses millisatoshis as the unit of account for all transactions and routing fees, but the sub-satoshi balances are not reflected on the bitcoin blockchain in the event of channel closure.
When a channel is closed, any sub-satoshi amount held by each party is dropped from the commitment/closing transaction and goes towards payment of the on-chain transaction fee which miners collect.
Amounts below a satoshi, or rather, below dust_limit_satoshis, are made cooperatively between the parties of a channel and are not enforcible on-chain, but if many of such transactions are made, they add up to whole satoshi amounts which will be enforcible in later commitments.
answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
1,36919
add a comment |
Lightning uses millisatoshis as the unit of account for all transactions and routing fees, but the sub-satoshi balances are not reflected on the bitcoin blockchain in the event of channel closure.
When a channel is closed, any sub-satoshi amount held by each party is dropped from the commitment/closing transaction and goes towards payment of the on-chain transaction fee which miners collect.
Amounts below a satoshi, or rather, below dust_limit_satoshis, are made cooperatively between the parties of a channel and are not enforcible on-chain, but if many of such transactions are made, they add up to whole satoshi amounts which will be enforcible in later commitments.
answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
1,36919
Lightning uses millisatoshis as the unit of account for all transactions and routing fees, but the sub-satoshi balances are not reflected on the bitcoin blockchain in the event of channel closure.
When a channel is closed, any sub-satoshi amount held by each party is dropped from the commitment/closing transaction and goes towards payment of the on-chain transaction fee which miners collect.
Amounts below a satoshi, or rather, below dust_limit_satoshis, are made cooperatively between the parties of a channel and are not enforcible on-chain, but if many of such transactions are made, they add up to whole satoshi amounts which will be enforcible in later commitments.
answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
1,36919
answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
1,36919
answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
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answered May 17 at 17:33
Mark HMark H
1,36919
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Generally lightning transfers the currency of the baselayer. In the case of Bitcoin the smallest unit of account is 1 Satosh. However the base unit on lightning is 1/1000 of 1 Satoshi. This means that smaller transfer of value than 1 Satoshi is possible. With this comes an issue: the base layer can't enforce sub Satoshi amounts. So while it is possible to make such payments and calculate with such amounts on lightning in the case of channel closing the amounts will be rounded and channel partners cannot rely on such amounts.
There are two solutions to have an enforcement of sub Satoshi amounts on chain. First one could do a Bitcoin fork that enables sub Satoshi amounts. Second there could be a sidechain line laid which peggs Bitcoin but internally supports a smaller denomination than Satoshi. The lightning network could also be extended to that base chain.
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
1
I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
add a comment |
Generally lightning transfers the currency of the baselayer. In the case of Bitcoin the smallest unit of account is 1 Satosh. However the base unit on lightning is 1/1000 of 1 Satoshi. This means that smaller transfer of value than 1 Satoshi is possible. With this comes an issue: the base layer can't enforce sub Satoshi amounts. So while it is possible to make such payments and calculate with such amounts on lightning in the case of channel closing the amounts will be rounded and channel partners cannot rely on such amounts.
There are two solutions to have an enforcement of sub Satoshi amounts on chain. First one could do a Bitcoin fork that enables sub Satoshi amounts. Second there could be a sidechain line laid which peggs Bitcoin but internally supports a smaller denomination than Satoshi. The lightning network could also be extended to that base chain.
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
1
I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
add a comment |
Generally lightning transfers the currency of the baselayer. In the case of Bitcoin the smallest unit of account is 1 Satosh. However the base unit on lightning is 1/1000 of 1 Satoshi. This means that smaller transfer of value than 1 Satoshi is possible. With this comes an issue: the base layer can't enforce sub Satoshi amounts. So while it is possible to make such payments and calculate with such amounts on lightning in the case of channel closing the amounts will be rounded and channel partners cannot rely on such amounts.
There are two solutions to have an enforcement of sub Satoshi amounts on chain. First one could do a Bitcoin fork that enables sub Satoshi amounts. Second there could be a sidechain line laid which peggs Bitcoin but internally supports a smaller denomination than Satoshi. The lightning network could also be extended to that base chain.
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
Generally lightning transfers the currency of the baselayer. In the case of Bitcoin the smallest unit of account is 1 Satosh. However the base unit on lightning is 1/1000 of 1 Satoshi. This means that smaller transfer of value than 1 Satoshi is possible. With this comes an issue: the base layer can't enforce sub Satoshi amounts. So while it is possible to make such payments and calculate with such amounts on lightning in the case of channel closing the amounts will be rounded and channel partners cannot rely on such amounts.
There are two solutions to have an enforcement of sub Satoshi amounts on chain. First one could do a Bitcoin fork that enables sub Satoshi amounts. Second there could be a sidechain line laid which peggs Bitcoin but internally supports a smaller denomination than Satoshi. The lightning network could also be extended to that base chain.
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
answered May 17 at 17:30
Rene PickhardtRene Pickhardt
3,841218
3,841218
1
I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
add a comment |
1
I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
1
1
I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
I think it would be useful to mention that currently when you make a transaction in sub-satoshi, you generally remove it out of your own balance in the commitment transaction rather than making it as an HTLC output. this is because the entire transaction would not be enforceable on the bitcoin network, in case you want to do a unilateral close, if you make a sub-satoshi output.
– Ugam Kamat
May 17 at 17:34
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
Fully agree. Even sub dust htlcs are not created as outputs as I recently mentioned here. Well edit / improve my answer later
– Rene Pickhardt
May 17 at 17:47
add a comment |
https://lightning.engineering/index.html#faq
Lightning doesn't use its own token or currency, it only uses Bitcoin when on the Bitcoin blockchain. Lightning sends payments using the transaction format of the underlying blockchain. When running on Bitcoin, Lightning is actually exchanging native Bitcoin transactions—without the need to broadcast every transaction to the chain.
This suggests that Lightning transactions use the same units as Bitcoin, and that it is not possible to use Lightning (in its current form) to exchange amounts in denominations smaller than 1 satoshi.
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
20.6k33071
add a comment |
https://lightning.engineering/index.html#faq
Lightning doesn't use its own token or currency, it only uses Bitcoin when on the Bitcoin blockchain. Lightning sends payments using the transaction format of the underlying blockchain. When running on Bitcoin, Lightning is actually exchanging native Bitcoin transactions—without the need to broadcast every transaction to the chain.
This suggests that Lightning transactions use the same units as Bitcoin, and that it is not possible to use Lightning (in its current form) to exchange amounts in denominations smaller than 1 satoshi.
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
20.6k33071
add a comment |
https://lightning.engineering/index.html#faq
Lightning doesn't use its own token or currency, it only uses Bitcoin when on the Bitcoin blockchain. Lightning sends payments using the transaction format of the underlying blockchain. When running on Bitcoin, Lightning is actually exchanging native Bitcoin transactions—without the need to broadcast every transaction to the chain.
This suggests that Lightning transactions use the same units as Bitcoin, and that it is not possible to use Lightning (in its current form) to exchange amounts in denominations smaller than 1 satoshi.
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
20.6k33071
https://lightning.engineering/index.html#faq
Lightning doesn't use its own token or currency, it only uses Bitcoin when on the Bitcoin blockchain. Lightning sends payments using the transaction format of the underlying blockchain. When running on Bitcoin, Lightning is actually exchanging native Bitcoin transactions—without the need to broadcast every transaction to the chain.
This suggests that Lightning transactions use the same units as Bitcoin, and that it is not possible to use Lightning (in its current form) to exchange amounts in denominations smaller than 1 satoshi.
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
20.6k33071
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
20.6k33071
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
20.6k33071
answered May 17 at 17:13
Nate EldredgeNate Eldredge
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20.6k33071
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