Does ratifying USMCA imply a (stealth) ratification of UNCLOS?How might the mention of “the acquis” amongst the principles of an international treaty affect its interpretation?Does war with a national debt holder affect national debtWhen does customary international law become 'jus cogens'?Does uploading music to a site imply responsibility for copyright infringement?Does legality of an computerized action depend on user location or computer location?What is a “rock” under UNCLOS?Does it make sense to suing a foreign company who fired you with no fair cause?Does the Geneva Convention on Road Traffic prohibit driverless cars?Non-compliance with international legal instruments: the UDHR vs. the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam/Arab Charter on Human Rights?Why does the US patent law have a section about inventions in outer space?
Why is Colorado so different politically from nearby states?
Metal bar on DMM PCB
How to detach yourself from a character you're going to kill?
Hygienic footwear for prehensile feet?
Setting extra bits in a bool makes it true and false at the same time
How should I push back against my job assigning "homework"?
Does it cost a spell slot to cast a spell from a Ring of Spell Storing?
Is there any Biblical Basis for 400 years of silence between Old and New Testament?
What's the correct term for a waitress in the Middle Ages?
Is it OK to bring delicacies from hometown as tokens of gratitude for an out-of-town interview?
What people are called boars ("кабан") and why?
PhD student with mental health issues and bad performance
Did Darth Vader wear the same suit for 20+ years?
GFCI Outlet in Bathroom, Lights not working
Pitch and Volume Compensations for Different Instruments
Is the decompression of compressed and encrypted data without decryption also theoretically impossible?
What happens to foam insulation board after you pour concrete slab?
The term for the person/group a political party aligns themselves with to appear concerned about the general public
Old black and white movie: glowing black rocks slowly turn you into stone upon touch
Is having a hidden directory under /etc safe?
Is it possible for people to live in the eye of a permanent hypercane?
Opposite of "Squeaky wheel gets the grease"
Is it a problem that pull requests are approved without any comments
What is a simple, physical situation where complex numbers emerge naturally?
Does ratifying USMCA imply a (stealth) ratification of UNCLOS?
How might the mention of “the acquis” amongst the principles of an international treaty affect its interpretation?Does war with a national debt holder affect national debtWhen does customary international law become 'jus cogens'?Does uploading music to a site imply responsibility for copyright infringement?Does legality of an computerized action depend on user location or computer location?What is a “rock” under UNCLOS?Does it make sense to suing a foreign company who fired you with no fair cause?Does the Geneva Convention on Road Traffic prohibit driverless cars?Non-compliance with international legal instruments: the UDHR vs. the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam/Arab Charter on Human Rights?Why does the US patent law have a section about inventions in outer space?
I tried asking this on Skeptics first, but apparently there's too much law (interpretation/opinion) and not enough fact in this issue.
Several conservative/right-wing sources says that if the US Senate were to ratify USMCA (Trump's renegotiated NAFTA), they would basically ratify UNCLOS by implication as well. (For more context, the US has signed but not ratified UNCLOS/LOST.)
E.g. the John Birch Society says:
Trade can be done without these many-paged deals. But the USMCA isn’t about trade. It is all about the establishment of regional and world government. This dangerous deal would in effect ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty -without any Senate vote on it.
A more detailed article in Canada Free Press concludes with the same:
In article 24.18, Sustainable Fisheries Management, regulating “marine wild capture fishing,” USMCA agreement subordinates the United States to U.N.’s international authority and its many organizations. [...]
Sustainable fisheries must abide by the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the United Nations Agreement for the Implementation of the Provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of December 1982 relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks, the FAO Code of Conduct for Responsible Fisheries, and many others. (USMCA, art. 24.18)
A.J. Cameron stated that the “same people in the Obama Administration who crafted the TPP also crafted USMCA. USMCA back-doors many of the tenets of the reprehensible trade agreements to which we were told by politicians that we would not become a member.”
[...]
The European Union and 162 countries have joined the Third United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III) which was adopted in 1982 and now called simply The Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST). [...]
Under LOST, any kind of maritime dispute, fisheries, environmental protection, navigation, and research must be resolved under this treaty through mandatory dispute resolution by the U.N. court or tribunal which limits autonomy. But disputes should be resolved by U.S. courts.
When Congress approves the USMCA agreement, the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) will also be ratified through the back-door, by including it in the USMCA. Which senator is going the read this massive bill?
Is this interpretation (UNCLOS-wise) of the implication of USMCA ratification correct?
united-states international
|
show 2 more comments
I tried asking this on Skeptics first, but apparently there's too much law (interpretation/opinion) and not enough fact in this issue.
Several conservative/right-wing sources says that if the US Senate were to ratify USMCA (Trump's renegotiated NAFTA), they would basically ratify UNCLOS by implication as well. (For more context, the US has signed but not ratified UNCLOS/LOST.)
E.g. the John Birch Society says:
Trade can be done without these many-paged deals. But the USMCA isn’t about trade. It is all about the establishment of regional and world government. This dangerous deal would in effect ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty -without any Senate vote on it.
A more detailed article in Canada Free Press concludes with the same:
In article 24.18, Sustainable Fisheries Management, regulating “marine wild capture fishing,” USMCA agreement subordinates the United States to U.N.’s international authority and its many organizations. [...]
Sustainable fisheries must abide by the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the United Nations Agreement for the Implementation of the Provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of December 1982 relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks, the FAO Code of Conduct for Responsible Fisheries, and many others. (USMCA, art. 24.18)
A.J. Cameron stated that the “same people in the Obama Administration who crafted the TPP also crafted USMCA. USMCA back-doors many of the tenets of the reprehensible trade agreements to which we were told by politicians that we would not become a member.”
[...]
The European Union and 162 countries have joined the Third United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III) which was adopted in 1982 and now called simply The Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST). [...]
Under LOST, any kind of maritime dispute, fisheries, environmental protection, navigation, and research must be resolved under this treaty through mandatory dispute resolution by the U.N. court or tribunal which limits autonomy. But disputes should be resolved by U.S. courts.
When Congress approves the USMCA agreement, the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) will also be ratified through the back-door, by including it in the USMCA. Which senator is going the read this massive bill?
Is this interpretation (UNCLOS-wise) of the implication of USMCA ratification correct?
united-states international
No offense, but I'd suspect that people here would want to move this since its not about a current law. Maybe not though since it's about a treaty.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:19
You aren't really asking a question about a law tbh. You are just asking if people think the the deal has to many environmental protections.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:25
2
This is a question about the legal effect of a proposed legislative act. As such it can be answered without getting in to the policy issues, the wisdom of UNCLOS and other UN treaties. i think this should not be closed, and would vote to re-open if it were closed on those grounds..
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:27
1
@Putvi The question is "Is this interpretation correct?" That is not about " in people's eyes" (which would be for politics, perhaps). That is, "if the senate ratifies X, will it also bring Y into effect". That sounds like a question about law to me. If this really is a conspiracy theory, the answer will probably be "of course not".
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:51
1
The question is simple, does ratifying one piece of law give legal effect to another. This is within the scope of law.se
– Shazamo Morebucks
May 23 at 10:44
|
show 2 more comments
I tried asking this on Skeptics first, but apparently there's too much law (interpretation/opinion) and not enough fact in this issue.
Several conservative/right-wing sources says that if the US Senate were to ratify USMCA (Trump's renegotiated NAFTA), they would basically ratify UNCLOS by implication as well. (For more context, the US has signed but not ratified UNCLOS/LOST.)
E.g. the John Birch Society says:
Trade can be done without these many-paged deals. But the USMCA isn’t about trade. It is all about the establishment of regional and world government. This dangerous deal would in effect ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty -without any Senate vote on it.
A more detailed article in Canada Free Press concludes with the same:
In article 24.18, Sustainable Fisheries Management, regulating “marine wild capture fishing,” USMCA agreement subordinates the United States to U.N.’s international authority and its many organizations. [...]
Sustainable fisheries must abide by the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the United Nations Agreement for the Implementation of the Provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of December 1982 relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks, the FAO Code of Conduct for Responsible Fisheries, and many others. (USMCA, art. 24.18)
A.J. Cameron stated that the “same people in the Obama Administration who crafted the TPP also crafted USMCA. USMCA back-doors many of the tenets of the reprehensible trade agreements to which we were told by politicians that we would not become a member.”
[...]
The European Union and 162 countries have joined the Third United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III) which was adopted in 1982 and now called simply The Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST). [...]
Under LOST, any kind of maritime dispute, fisheries, environmental protection, navigation, and research must be resolved under this treaty through mandatory dispute resolution by the U.N. court or tribunal which limits autonomy. But disputes should be resolved by U.S. courts.
When Congress approves the USMCA agreement, the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) will also be ratified through the back-door, by including it in the USMCA. Which senator is going the read this massive bill?
Is this interpretation (UNCLOS-wise) of the implication of USMCA ratification correct?
united-states international
I tried asking this on Skeptics first, but apparently there's too much law (interpretation/opinion) and not enough fact in this issue.
Several conservative/right-wing sources says that if the US Senate were to ratify USMCA (Trump's renegotiated NAFTA), they would basically ratify UNCLOS by implication as well. (For more context, the US has signed but not ratified UNCLOS/LOST.)
E.g. the John Birch Society says:
Trade can be done without these many-paged deals. But the USMCA isn’t about trade. It is all about the establishment of regional and world government. This dangerous deal would in effect ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty -without any Senate vote on it.
A more detailed article in Canada Free Press concludes with the same:
In article 24.18, Sustainable Fisheries Management, regulating “marine wild capture fishing,” USMCA agreement subordinates the United States to U.N.’s international authority and its many organizations. [...]
Sustainable fisheries must abide by the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the United Nations Agreement for the Implementation of the Provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of December 1982 relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks, the FAO Code of Conduct for Responsible Fisheries, and many others. (USMCA, art. 24.18)
A.J. Cameron stated that the “same people in the Obama Administration who crafted the TPP also crafted USMCA. USMCA back-doors many of the tenets of the reprehensible trade agreements to which we were told by politicians that we would not become a member.”
[...]
The European Union and 162 countries have joined the Third United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III) which was adopted in 1982 and now called simply The Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST). [...]
Under LOST, any kind of maritime dispute, fisheries, environmental protection, navigation, and research must be resolved under this treaty through mandatory dispute resolution by the U.N. court or tribunal which limits autonomy. But disputes should be resolved by U.S. courts.
When Congress approves the USMCA agreement, the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) will also be ratified through the back-door, by including it in the USMCA. Which senator is going the read this massive bill?
Is this interpretation (UNCLOS-wise) of the implication of USMCA ratification correct?
united-states international
united-states international
edited May 17 at 19:31
Fizz
asked May 17 at 18:17
FizzFizz
225111
225111
No offense, but I'd suspect that people here would want to move this since its not about a current law. Maybe not though since it's about a treaty.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:19
You aren't really asking a question about a law tbh. You are just asking if people think the the deal has to many environmental protections.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:25
2
This is a question about the legal effect of a proposed legislative act. As such it can be answered without getting in to the policy issues, the wisdom of UNCLOS and other UN treaties. i think this should not be closed, and would vote to re-open if it were closed on those grounds..
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:27
1
@Putvi The question is "Is this interpretation correct?" That is not about " in people's eyes" (which would be for politics, perhaps). That is, "if the senate ratifies X, will it also bring Y into effect". That sounds like a question about law to me. If this really is a conspiracy theory, the answer will probably be "of course not".
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:51
1
The question is simple, does ratifying one piece of law give legal effect to another. This is within the scope of law.se
– Shazamo Morebucks
May 23 at 10:44
|
show 2 more comments
No offense, but I'd suspect that people here would want to move this since its not about a current law. Maybe not though since it's about a treaty.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:19
You aren't really asking a question about a law tbh. You are just asking if people think the the deal has to many environmental protections.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:25
2
This is a question about the legal effect of a proposed legislative act. As such it can be answered without getting in to the policy issues, the wisdom of UNCLOS and other UN treaties. i think this should not be closed, and would vote to re-open if it were closed on those grounds..
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:27
1
@Putvi The question is "Is this interpretation correct?" That is not about " in people's eyes" (which would be for politics, perhaps). That is, "if the senate ratifies X, will it also bring Y into effect". That sounds like a question about law to me. If this really is a conspiracy theory, the answer will probably be "of course not".
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:51
1
The question is simple, does ratifying one piece of law give legal effect to another. This is within the scope of law.se
– Shazamo Morebucks
May 23 at 10:44
No offense, but I'd suspect that people here would want to move this since its not about a current law. Maybe not though since it's about a treaty.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:19
No offense, but I'd suspect that people here would want to move this since its not about a current law. Maybe not though since it's about a treaty.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:19
You aren't really asking a question about a law tbh. You are just asking if people think the the deal has to many environmental protections.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:25
You aren't really asking a question about a law tbh. You are just asking if people think the the deal has to many environmental protections.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:25
2
2
This is a question about the legal effect of a proposed legislative act. As such it can be answered without getting in to the policy issues, the wisdom of UNCLOS and other UN treaties. i think this should not be closed, and would vote to re-open if it were closed on those grounds..
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:27
This is a question about the legal effect of a proposed legislative act. As such it can be answered without getting in to the policy issues, the wisdom of UNCLOS and other UN treaties. i think this should not be closed, and would vote to re-open if it were closed on those grounds..
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:27
1
1
@Putvi The question is "Is this interpretation correct?" That is not about " in people's eyes" (which would be for politics, perhaps). That is, "if the senate ratifies X, will it also bring Y into effect". That sounds like a question about law to me. If this really is a conspiracy theory, the answer will probably be "of course not".
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:51
@Putvi The question is "Is this interpretation correct?" That is not about " in people's eyes" (which would be for politics, perhaps). That is, "if the senate ratifies X, will it also bring Y into effect". That sounds like a question about law to me. If this really is a conspiracy theory, the answer will probably be "of course not".
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:51
1
1
The question is simple, does ratifying one piece of law give legal effect to another. This is within the scope of law.se
– Shazamo Morebucks
May 23 at 10:44
The question is simple, does ratifying one piece of law give legal effect to another. This is within the scope of law.se
– Shazamo Morebucks
May 23 at 10:44
|
show 2 more comments
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
While I haven't read the full agreement (trade deals aren't exactly riveting), there seems to be a few gaps in the arguments given. Here's Article 24.18(3) (PDF link):
Each Party shall base its fisheries management system on the best scientific evidence available and on internationally recognized best practices for fisheries management and conservation as reflected in the relevant provisions of international instruments aimed at ensuring the sustainable use and conservation of marine species.
In my opinion (since I can't find too much independent commentary on this point), the US would only be required to abide by UNCLOS insofar as it relates to fisheries management. UNCLOS covers a much wider range of topics than just fisheries. There appears to be no commitment beyond that. On the other hand, there's no dispute that UNCLOS is one of those "international instruments," as it's referenced in the footnotes to this section.
Also, since the US is not party to UNCLOS, dispute resolution would be through the panels established by Article 31 (PDF link), not through UNCLOS tribunals which might otherwise be possible between Canada and Mexico, as per 31.3, for example.
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "617"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2flaw.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f41144%2fdoes-ratifying-usmca-imply-a-stealth-ratification-of-unclos%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
While I haven't read the full agreement (trade deals aren't exactly riveting), there seems to be a few gaps in the arguments given. Here's Article 24.18(3) (PDF link):
Each Party shall base its fisheries management system on the best scientific evidence available and on internationally recognized best practices for fisheries management and conservation as reflected in the relevant provisions of international instruments aimed at ensuring the sustainable use and conservation of marine species.
In my opinion (since I can't find too much independent commentary on this point), the US would only be required to abide by UNCLOS insofar as it relates to fisheries management. UNCLOS covers a much wider range of topics than just fisheries. There appears to be no commitment beyond that. On the other hand, there's no dispute that UNCLOS is one of those "international instruments," as it's referenced in the footnotes to this section.
Also, since the US is not party to UNCLOS, dispute resolution would be through the panels established by Article 31 (PDF link), not through UNCLOS tribunals which might otherwise be possible between Canada and Mexico, as per 31.3, for example.
add a comment |
While I haven't read the full agreement (trade deals aren't exactly riveting), there seems to be a few gaps in the arguments given. Here's Article 24.18(3) (PDF link):
Each Party shall base its fisheries management system on the best scientific evidence available and on internationally recognized best practices for fisheries management and conservation as reflected in the relevant provisions of international instruments aimed at ensuring the sustainable use and conservation of marine species.
In my opinion (since I can't find too much independent commentary on this point), the US would only be required to abide by UNCLOS insofar as it relates to fisheries management. UNCLOS covers a much wider range of topics than just fisheries. There appears to be no commitment beyond that. On the other hand, there's no dispute that UNCLOS is one of those "international instruments," as it's referenced in the footnotes to this section.
Also, since the US is not party to UNCLOS, dispute resolution would be through the panels established by Article 31 (PDF link), not through UNCLOS tribunals which might otherwise be possible between Canada and Mexico, as per 31.3, for example.
add a comment |
While I haven't read the full agreement (trade deals aren't exactly riveting), there seems to be a few gaps in the arguments given. Here's Article 24.18(3) (PDF link):
Each Party shall base its fisheries management system on the best scientific evidence available and on internationally recognized best practices for fisheries management and conservation as reflected in the relevant provisions of international instruments aimed at ensuring the sustainable use and conservation of marine species.
In my opinion (since I can't find too much independent commentary on this point), the US would only be required to abide by UNCLOS insofar as it relates to fisheries management. UNCLOS covers a much wider range of topics than just fisheries. There appears to be no commitment beyond that. On the other hand, there's no dispute that UNCLOS is one of those "international instruments," as it's referenced in the footnotes to this section.
Also, since the US is not party to UNCLOS, dispute resolution would be through the panels established by Article 31 (PDF link), not through UNCLOS tribunals which might otherwise be possible between Canada and Mexico, as per 31.3, for example.
While I haven't read the full agreement (trade deals aren't exactly riveting), there seems to be a few gaps in the arguments given. Here's Article 24.18(3) (PDF link):
Each Party shall base its fisheries management system on the best scientific evidence available and on internationally recognized best practices for fisheries management and conservation as reflected in the relevant provisions of international instruments aimed at ensuring the sustainable use and conservation of marine species.
In my opinion (since I can't find too much independent commentary on this point), the US would only be required to abide by UNCLOS insofar as it relates to fisheries management. UNCLOS covers a much wider range of topics than just fisheries. There appears to be no commitment beyond that. On the other hand, there's no dispute that UNCLOS is one of those "international instruments," as it's referenced in the footnotes to this section.
Also, since the US is not party to UNCLOS, dispute resolution would be through the panels established by Article 31 (PDF link), not through UNCLOS tribunals which might otherwise be possible between Canada and Mexico, as per 31.3, for example.
edited May 17 at 20:30
answered May 17 at 20:25
DPenner1DPenner1
2,1321945
2,1321945
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Law Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2flaw.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f41144%2fdoes-ratifying-usmca-imply-a-stealth-ratification-of-unclos%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
No offense, but I'd suspect that people here would want to move this since its not about a current law. Maybe not though since it's about a treaty.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:19
You aren't really asking a question about a law tbh. You are just asking if people think the the deal has to many environmental protections.
– Putvi
May 17 at 18:25
2
This is a question about the legal effect of a proposed legislative act. As such it can be answered without getting in to the policy issues, the wisdom of UNCLOS and other UN treaties. i think this should not be closed, and would vote to re-open if it were closed on those grounds..
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:27
1
@Putvi The question is "Is this interpretation correct?" That is not about " in people's eyes" (which would be for politics, perhaps). That is, "if the senate ratifies X, will it also bring Y into effect". That sounds like a question about law to me. If this really is a conspiracy theory, the answer will probably be "of course not".
– David Siegel
May 17 at 19:51
1
The question is simple, does ratifying one piece of law give legal effect to another. This is within the scope of law.se
– Shazamo Morebucks
May 23 at 10:44