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Suppose that someone tells me I will collect $$100$ dollars within some time interval. Those time intervals are 1 to 7 days, 8 to 30 days and eventually after 30 days.



Let $A$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 1 to 7 days, $B$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 8 to 30 days and $C$ be the event that I collect the $$100$ dollars eventually after 30 days.



Let $P(A)=0.40, P(B) = 0.50$ and $P(C)=0.095$.



The events are mutually exclusive, so once I have collected the $$100$ dollars I can not collected it at another time and the $$100$ dollars can also not be broken up into different intervals.



The events are also temporal so $B$ can only happen if $A$ does not happen and $C$ can only happen if $B$ does not happen, so there is a dependency.



My question is how do these probabilities change after an event has passed?



  1. If $A$ does not happen how does that affect the $P(B)$ and the $P(C)$?

  2. Going further if both $A$ and $B$ do not happen then how does that affect $P(C)$?









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Suppose that someone tells me I will collect $$100$ dollars within some time interval. Those time intervals are 1 to 7 days, 8 to 30 days and eventually after 30 days.



Let $A$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 1 to 7 days, $B$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 8 to 30 days and $C$ be the event that I collect the $$100$ dollars eventually after 30 days.



Let $P(A)=0.40, P(B) = 0.50$ and $P(C)=0.095$.



The events are mutually exclusive, so once I have collected the $$100$ dollars I can not collected it at another time and the $$100$ dollars can also not be broken up into different intervals.



The events are also temporal so $B$ can only happen if $A$ does not happen and $C$ can only happen if $B$ does not happen, so there is a dependency.



My question is how do these probabilities change after an event has passed?



  1. If $A$ does not happen how does that affect the $P(B)$ and the $P(C)$?

  2. Going further if both $A$ and $B$ do not happen then how does that affect $P(C)$?









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Suppose that someone tells me I will collect $$100$ dollars within some time interval. Those time intervals are 1 to 7 days, 8 to 30 days and eventually after 30 days.



Let $A$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 1 to 7 days, $B$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 8 to 30 days and $C$ be the event that I collect the $$100$ dollars eventually after 30 days.



Let $P(A)=0.40, P(B) = 0.50$ and $P(C)=0.095$.



The events are mutually exclusive, so once I have collected the $$100$ dollars I can not collected it at another time and the $$100$ dollars can also not be broken up into different intervals.



The events are also temporal so $B$ can only happen if $A$ does not happen and $C$ can only happen if $B$ does not happen, so there is a dependency.



My question is how do these probabilities change after an event has passed?



  1. If $A$ does not happen how does that affect the $P(B)$ and the $P(C)$?

  2. Going further if both $A$ and $B$ do not happen then how does that affect $P(C)$?









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Suppose that someone tells me I will collect $$100$ dollars within some time interval. Those time intervals are 1 to 7 days, 8 to 30 days and eventually after 30 days.



Let $A$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 1 to 7 days, $B$ be the event I collect the $$100$ dollars in 8 to 30 days and $C$ be the event that I collect the $$100$ dollars eventually after 30 days.



Let $P(A)=0.40, P(B) = 0.50$ and $P(C)=0.095$.



The events are mutually exclusive, so once I have collected the $$100$ dollars I can not collected it at another time and the $$100$ dollars can also not be broken up into different intervals.



The events are also temporal so $B$ can only happen if $A$ does not happen and $C$ can only happen if $B$ does not happen, so there is a dependency.



My question is how do these probabilities change after an event has passed?



  1. If $A$ does not happen how does that affect the $P(B)$ and the $P(C)$?

  2. Going further if both $A$ and $B$ do not happen then how does that affect $P(C)$?






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I would approach this from hazard functions. Suppose, you have a hazard function $h_t$, which tells me what's the probability of event happening on day $t$ given that the event didn't happen by day $t$ (conditional).



Since your probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ are unconditional, they are given by:
$$P(A)=sum_t=1^7h_t$$
$$P(B)=S(7)sum_t=8^30h_t=(1-P(A))sum_t=8^30h_t$$
$$P(C)=S(30)sum_t=31^infty h_t$$
where the survival probability is $$S_t=1-sum_tau=1^th_tau $$
For instance, $P(B)=(1-0.4)sum_t=8^30h_t$.



If you start with a simple hazard function for the first period $h_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4$, then the probability to survive for 7 days is 0.4, of course.



Suppose, that on day 3 you observe or not observe an event. Now we update the initial hazard function: $h'_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4+begincases 0, & mboxif tne 3
\ Delta p, & mboxif t= 3 endcases$

Here $Delta p$ can be positive or negative depending on whether you observed an event or not.



You apply this to a survival function, and it propagates to unconditional probabilities $P$ for the subsequent periods:
$$P'(7)=0.4+Delta p $$
$$S'(7)=1-P'(7)=0.6-Delta p $$
$$P'(B)=(0.6-Delta p )times sum_t=8^30h_t=P(B)-Delta psum_t=8^30h_t
\=left(1-fracDelta p1-P(A)right)times P(B)$$



You can proceed this way updating your hazard function as new data is arriving, which will propagate downstream to your unconditional probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ . I chose the dumbest way of updating the hazard function, you can do something fancier.






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    Can this not be answered simply by using the law of conditional probability?



    Note that precisely one event can happen, that is, the probability of any two co-occurring is zero. The general formula for conditional probability is $P(X|Y) = fracP(Xcap Y)P(Y)$.



    A partial answer to 1) would be given by substituting B in for X above and $A^mathsfc$ (the event where A does not happen) in for Y. Note that the event "B happens and A does not happen" is equivalent to the event "B happens" (B can occur if and only if A does not occur).



    $$P(B|A^mathsfc) = fracP(B cap A^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc)
    = fracP(B) P(A^mathsfc) = fracP(B) 1-P(A) = frac0.5 1-0.4 = 5/6
    $$



    You can similarly extend this to find the solution to 2):
    $$
    P(C|A^mathsfccap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C cap A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C)P(A^mathsfc cap B ^mathsfc) = fracP(C)1-P(Acup B)
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      I would approach this from hazard functions. Suppose, you have a hazard function $h_t$, which tells me what's the probability of event happening on day $t$ given that the event didn't happen by day $t$ (conditional).



      Since your probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ are unconditional, they are given by:
      $$P(A)=sum_t=1^7h_t$$
      $$P(B)=S(7)sum_t=8^30h_t=(1-P(A))sum_t=8^30h_t$$
      $$P(C)=S(30)sum_t=31^infty h_t$$
      where the survival probability is $$S_t=1-sum_tau=1^th_tau $$
      For instance, $P(B)=(1-0.4)sum_t=8^30h_t$.



      If you start with a simple hazard function for the first period $h_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4$, then the probability to survive for 7 days is 0.4, of course.



      Suppose, that on day 3 you observe or not observe an event. Now we update the initial hazard function: $h'_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4+begincases 0, & mboxif tne 3
      \ Delta p, & mboxif t= 3 endcases$

      Here $Delta p$ can be positive or negative depending on whether you observed an event or not.



      You apply this to a survival function, and it propagates to unconditional probabilities $P$ for the subsequent periods:
      $$P'(7)=0.4+Delta p $$
      $$S'(7)=1-P'(7)=0.6-Delta p $$
      $$P'(B)=(0.6-Delta p )times sum_t=8^30h_t=P(B)-Delta psum_t=8^30h_t
      \=left(1-fracDelta p1-P(A)right)times P(B)$$



      You can proceed this way updating your hazard function as new data is arriving, which will propagate downstream to your unconditional probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ . I chose the dumbest way of updating the hazard function, you can do something fancier.






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        I would approach this from hazard functions. Suppose, you have a hazard function $h_t$, which tells me what's the probability of event happening on day $t$ given that the event didn't happen by day $t$ (conditional).



        Since your probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ are unconditional, they are given by:
        $$P(A)=sum_t=1^7h_t$$
        $$P(B)=S(7)sum_t=8^30h_t=(1-P(A))sum_t=8^30h_t$$
        $$P(C)=S(30)sum_t=31^infty h_t$$
        where the survival probability is $$S_t=1-sum_tau=1^th_tau $$
        For instance, $P(B)=(1-0.4)sum_t=8^30h_t$.



        If you start with a simple hazard function for the first period $h_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4$, then the probability to survive for 7 days is 0.4, of course.



        Suppose, that on day 3 you observe or not observe an event. Now we update the initial hazard function: $h'_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4+begincases 0, & mboxif tne 3
        \ Delta p, & mboxif t= 3 endcases$

        Here $Delta p$ can be positive or negative depending on whether you observed an event or not.



        You apply this to a survival function, and it propagates to unconditional probabilities $P$ for the subsequent periods:
        $$P'(7)=0.4+Delta p $$
        $$S'(7)=1-P'(7)=0.6-Delta p $$
        $$P'(B)=(0.6-Delta p )times sum_t=8^30h_t=P(B)-Delta psum_t=8^30h_t
        \=left(1-fracDelta p1-P(A)right)times P(B)$$



        You can proceed this way updating your hazard function as new data is arriving, which will propagate downstream to your unconditional probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ . I chose the dumbest way of updating the hazard function, you can do something fancier.






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          I would approach this from hazard functions. Suppose, you have a hazard function $h_t$, which tells me what's the probability of event happening on day $t$ given that the event didn't happen by day $t$ (conditional).



          Since your probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ are unconditional, they are given by:
          $$P(A)=sum_t=1^7h_t$$
          $$P(B)=S(7)sum_t=8^30h_t=(1-P(A))sum_t=8^30h_t$$
          $$P(C)=S(30)sum_t=31^infty h_t$$
          where the survival probability is $$S_t=1-sum_tau=1^th_tau $$
          For instance, $P(B)=(1-0.4)sum_t=8^30h_t$.



          If you start with a simple hazard function for the first period $h_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4$, then the probability to survive for 7 days is 0.4, of course.



          Suppose, that on day 3 you observe or not observe an event. Now we update the initial hazard function: $h'_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4+begincases 0, & mboxif tne 3
          \ Delta p, & mboxif t= 3 endcases$

          Here $Delta p$ can be positive or negative depending on whether you observed an event or not.



          You apply this to a survival function, and it propagates to unconditional probabilities $P$ for the subsequent periods:
          $$P'(7)=0.4+Delta p $$
          $$S'(7)=1-P'(7)=0.6-Delta p $$
          $$P'(B)=(0.6-Delta p )times sum_t=8^30h_t=P(B)-Delta psum_t=8^30h_t
          \=left(1-fracDelta p1-P(A)right)times P(B)$$



          You can proceed this way updating your hazard function as new data is arriving, which will propagate downstream to your unconditional probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ . I chose the dumbest way of updating the hazard function, you can do something fancier.






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          I would approach this from hazard functions. Suppose, you have a hazard function $h_t$, which tells me what's the probability of event happening on day $t$ given that the event didn't happen by day $t$ (conditional).



          Since your probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ are unconditional, they are given by:
          $$P(A)=sum_t=1^7h_t$$
          $$P(B)=S(7)sum_t=8^30h_t=(1-P(A))sum_t=8^30h_t$$
          $$P(C)=S(30)sum_t=31^infty h_t$$
          where the survival probability is $$S_t=1-sum_tau=1^th_tau $$
          For instance, $P(B)=(1-0.4)sum_t=8^30h_t$.



          If you start with a simple hazard function for the first period $h_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4$, then the probability to survive for 7 days is 0.4, of course.



          Suppose, that on day 3 you observe or not observe an event. Now we update the initial hazard function: $h'_t=frac 1 7 times 0.4+begincases 0, & mboxif tne 3
          \ Delta p, & mboxif t= 3 endcases$

          Here $Delta p$ can be positive or negative depending on whether you observed an event or not.



          You apply this to a survival function, and it propagates to unconditional probabilities $P$ for the subsequent periods:
          $$P'(7)=0.4+Delta p $$
          $$S'(7)=1-P'(7)=0.6-Delta p $$
          $$P'(B)=(0.6-Delta p )times sum_t=8^30h_t=P(B)-Delta psum_t=8^30h_t
          \=left(1-fracDelta p1-P(A)right)times P(B)$$



          You can proceed this way updating your hazard function as new data is arriving, which will propagate downstream to your unconditional probabilities $P(A),P(B),P(C)$ . I chose the dumbest way of updating the hazard function, you can do something fancier.







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              Can this not be answered simply by using the law of conditional probability?



              Note that precisely one event can happen, that is, the probability of any two co-occurring is zero. The general formula for conditional probability is $P(X|Y) = fracP(Xcap Y)P(Y)$.



              A partial answer to 1) would be given by substituting B in for X above and $A^mathsfc$ (the event where A does not happen) in for Y. Note that the event "B happens and A does not happen" is equivalent to the event "B happens" (B can occur if and only if A does not occur).



              $$P(B|A^mathsfc) = fracP(B cap A^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc)
              = fracP(B) P(A^mathsfc) = fracP(B) 1-P(A) = frac0.5 1-0.4 = 5/6
              $$



              You can similarly extend this to find the solution to 2):
              $$
              P(C|A^mathsfccap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C cap A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C)P(A^mathsfc cap B ^mathsfc) = fracP(C)1-P(Acup B)
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                Can this not be answered simply by using the law of conditional probability?



                Note that precisely one event can happen, that is, the probability of any two co-occurring is zero. The general formula for conditional probability is $P(X|Y) = fracP(Xcap Y)P(Y)$.



                A partial answer to 1) would be given by substituting B in for X above and $A^mathsfc$ (the event where A does not happen) in for Y. Note that the event "B happens and A does not happen" is equivalent to the event "B happens" (B can occur if and only if A does not occur).



                $$P(B|A^mathsfc) = fracP(B cap A^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc)
                = fracP(B) P(A^mathsfc) = fracP(B) 1-P(A) = frac0.5 1-0.4 = 5/6
                $$



                You can similarly extend this to find the solution to 2):
                $$
                P(C|A^mathsfccap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C cap A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C)P(A^mathsfc cap B ^mathsfc) = fracP(C)1-P(Acup B)
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                  Can this not be answered simply by using the law of conditional probability?



                  Note that precisely one event can happen, that is, the probability of any two co-occurring is zero. The general formula for conditional probability is $P(X|Y) = fracP(Xcap Y)P(Y)$.



                  A partial answer to 1) would be given by substituting B in for X above and $A^mathsfc$ (the event where A does not happen) in for Y. Note that the event "B happens and A does not happen" is equivalent to the event "B happens" (B can occur if and only if A does not occur).



                  $$P(B|A^mathsfc) = fracP(B cap A^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc)
                  = fracP(B) P(A^mathsfc) = fracP(B) 1-P(A) = frac0.5 1-0.4 = 5/6
                  $$



                  You can similarly extend this to find the solution to 2):
                  $$
                  P(C|A^mathsfccap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C cap A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C)P(A^mathsfc cap B ^mathsfc) = fracP(C)1-P(Acup B)
                  $$






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                  Can this not be answered simply by using the law of conditional probability?



                  Note that precisely one event can happen, that is, the probability of any two co-occurring is zero. The general formula for conditional probability is $P(X|Y) = fracP(Xcap Y)P(Y)$.



                  A partial answer to 1) would be given by substituting B in for X above and $A^mathsfc$ (the event where A does not happen) in for Y. Note that the event "B happens and A does not happen" is equivalent to the event "B happens" (B can occur if and only if A does not occur).



                  $$P(B|A^mathsfc) = fracP(B cap A^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc)
                  = fracP(B) P(A^mathsfc) = fracP(B) 1-P(A) = frac0.5 1-0.4 = 5/6
                  $$



                  You can similarly extend this to find the solution to 2):
                  $$
                  P(C|A^mathsfccap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C cap A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc)P(A^mathsfc cap B^mathsfc) = fracP(C)P(A^mathsfc cap B ^mathsfc) = fracP(C)1-P(Acup B)
                  $$







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