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If an EU citizen arrives to the UK, would there be any difference in relation to passport queue length if different arrival methods (i.e. transportation) were used? For example, would the passport queue be typically longer at the airport than at the land border or sea port? Or does it entirely depend on the season and not on the means of transportation?
uk eu passport-control
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
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add a comment |
If an EU citizen arrives to the UK, would there be any difference in relation to passport queue length if different arrival methods (i.e. transportation) were used? For example, would the passport queue be typically longer at the airport than at the land border or sea port? Or does it entirely depend on the season and not on the means of transportation?
uk eu passport-control
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
2
Your question is based on a false premise. You assume, for example, that all British airports are essentially the same, but there's no reason to believe that's true. For example, at Heathrow, there is a constant stream of arriving planes arriving so one time is very much like any other; at a small regional airport, you might be unlucky and have two or three planes arriving at once and swaming passport control. Then, as an alternative, you suggest that every passport queue in the UK will be about the same speed on any particular day. Why would that be true?
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:35
2
In reality, every point of entry is likely to have its own unique characteristics.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:36
i don't assume anything, just asking a question and I wrote that question as concisely as I could. You, on the other hand, assume that I assume that all airports in the UK are the same. Of course they are not the same! But why should I mention it when formulating my question?
– kamokoba
May 19 at 23:42
1
People don't generate questions randomly. When you ask whether queue length depends only on mode of transport or only on season, that carries a strong implication that you believe that one of these options is correct.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 23:50
lol. Of course, it's not that rare that questions do have some sort of prconceptions, assumptions, etc. It's just the natural way of questioning. And this forum is a good place to get things clarified, regardless if question has some strong preconceived notions or none at all
– kamokoba
May 21 at 6:40
add a comment |
If an EU citizen arrives to the UK, would there be any difference in relation to passport queue length if different arrival methods (i.e. transportation) were used? For example, would the passport queue be typically longer at the airport than at the land border or sea port? Or does it entirely depend on the season and not on the means of transportation?
uk eu passport-control
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
If an EU citizen arrives to the UK, would there be any difference in relation to passport queue length if different arrival methods (i.e. transportation) were used? For example, would the passport queue be typically longer at the airport than at the land border or sea port? Or does it entirely depend on the season and not on the means of transportation?
uk eu passport-control
uk eu passport-control
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
asked May 19 at 18:41
kamokobakamokoba
233
233
2
Your question is based on a false premise. You assume, for example, that all British airports are essentially the same, but there's no reason to believe that's true. For example, at Heathrow, there is a constant stream of arriving planes arriving so one time is very much like any other; at a small regional airport, you might be unlucky and have two or three planes arriving at once and swaming passport control. Then, as an alternative, you suggest that every passport queue in the UK will be about the same speed on any particular day. Why would that be true?
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:35
2
In reality, every point of entry is likely to have its own unique characteristics.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:36
i don't assume anything, just asking a question and I wrote that question as concisely as I could. You, on the other hand, assume that I assume that all airports in the UK are the same. Of course they are not the same! But why should I mention it when formulating my question?
– kamokoba
May 19 at 23:42
1
People don't generate questions randomly. When you ask whether queue length depends only on mode of transport or only on season, that carries a strong implication that you believe that one of these options is correct.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 23:50
lol. Of course, it's not that rare that questions do have some sort of prconceptions, assumptions, etc. It's just the natural way of questioning. And this forum is a good place to get things clarified, regardless if question has some strong preconceived notions or none at all
– kamokoba
May 21 at 6:40
add a comment |
2
Your question is based on a false premise. You assume, for example, that all British airports are essentially the same, but there's no reason to believe that's true. For example, at Heathrow, there is a constant stream of arriving planes arriving so one time is very much like any other; at a small regional airport, you might be unlucky and have two or three planes arriving at once and swaming passport control. Then, as an alternative, you suggest that every passport queue in the UK will be about the same speed on any particular day. Why would that be true?
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:35
2
In reality, every point of entry is likely to have its own unique characteristics.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:36
i don't assume anything, just asking a question and I wrote that question as concisely as I could. You, on the other hand, assume that I assume that all airports in the UK are the same. Of course they are not the same! But why should I mention it when formulating my question?
– kamokoba
May 19 at 23:42
1
People don't generate questions randomly. When you ask whether queue length depends only on mode of transport or only on season, that carries a strong implication that you believe that one of these options is correct.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 23:50
lol. Of course, it's not that rare that questions do have some sort of prconceptions, assumptions, etc. It's just the natural way of questioning. And this forum is a good place to get things clarified, regardless if question has some strong preconceived notions or none at all
– kamokoba
May 21 at 6:40
2
2
Your question is based on a false premise. You assume, for example, that all British airports are essentially the same, but there's no reason to believe that's true. For example, at Heathrow, there is a constant stream of arriving planes arriving so one time is very much like any other; at a small regional airport, you might be unlucky and have two or three planes arriving at once and swaming passport control. Then, as an alternative, you suggest that every passport queue in the UK will be about the same speed on any particular day. Why would that be true?
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:35
Your question is based on a false premise. You assume, for example, that all British airports are essentially the same, but there's no reason to believe that's true. For example, at Heathrow, there is a constant stream of arriving planes arriving so one time is very much like any other; at a small regional airport, you might be unlucky and have two or three planes arriving at once and swaming passport control. Then, as an alternative, you suggest that every passport queue in the UK will be about the same speed on any particular day. Why would that be true?
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:35
2
2
In reality, every point of entry is likely to have its own unique characteristics.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:36
In reality, every point of entry is likely to have its own unique characteristics.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:36
i don't assume anything, just asking a question and I wrote that question as concisely as I could. You, on the other hand, assume that I assume that all airports in the UK are the same. Of course they are not the same! But why should I mention it when formulating my question?
– kamokoba
May 19 at 23:42
i don't assume anything, just asking a question and I wrote that question as concisely as I could. You, on the other hand, assume that I assume that all airports in the UK are the same. Of course they are not the same! But why should I mention it when formulating my question?
– kamokoba
May 19 at 23:42
1
1
People don't generate questions randomly. When you ask whether queue length depends only on mode of transport or only on season, that carries a strong implication that you believe that one of these options is correct.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 23:50
People don't generate questions randomly. When you ask whether queue length depends only on mode of transport or only on season, that carries a strong implication that you believe that one of these options is correct.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 23:50
lol. Of course, it's not that rare that questions do have some sort of prconceptions, assumptions, etc. It's just the natural way of questioning. And this forum is a good place to get things clarified, regardless if question has some strong preconceived notions or none at all
– kamokoba
May 21 at 6:40
lol. Of course, it's not that rare that questions do have some sort of prconceptions, assumptions, etc. It's just the natural way of questioning. And this forum is a good place to get things clarified, regardless if question has some strong preconceived notions or none at all
– kamokoba
May 21 at 6:40
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I have used planes, trains, ferries as foot passenger and as car passenger.
In each case it mostly depended on whether you were the first in the line or behind a lot of others.
For the trains you go through passport control before you get on the train. In that case you have to be there about 40 minutes before the train leaves, before that the passport line opens and starts moving. How long before depends on the location as well as on the staff there and whether the train is already in or late in arriving.
Be at the start of the queue and you are through in seconds, be a little late to join and you may be half an hour in waiting.
With cars going onto or off ferries it is a lot like that, it depends on whether you are lucky or unlucky in your timing. I think your checks are mostly when you get off or at both ends, if so, luck in where you are in the waiting line to get on and whether your deck and your line in it is the first or last to leave the ferry will determine the wait.
The one time my brothers traveled on Boxing day and only 7 cars used that ferry, all of them were through the checks fast.
Foot passenger, be one of the first of, walk fast and you will be early in the queue. Be one of the last and you have to wait for your turn.
In flights it can be that simple or your plane can land just after some others and it can take a long time even when you are the first off.
Of course the season does always have some influence. In the peak times it is more likely that you have a long well filled train, a busy ferry or even several arriving close together if you are in a port where several come in. In airports it is more likely that several planes land at the same time. But even at the busiest times it can be quiet when you arrive, just before a lot of others.
And even at the quiet times you can be held up when they want to truly check the people ahead of you.
And it depends also on whether the border services have adjusted the number of staff for the season and expected crowds.
One sample, AMS (Amsterdam airport, so not the UK but it is not that different in how it usually works,) most times I have had a few people in front of me, waiting time seconds to minutes. But one time I was unlucky and the automated system had broken down, waiting time over an hour, and everybody, regardless of passports, was much later than they usually would have been. And it was a day when it should not have been busy.
I am EU European and usually travel with my ID card as well as my passport and use the passport in the automated system when that seems to be a shorter wait (which is mostly the case.)
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
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Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
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I have used planes, trains, ferries as foot passenger and as car passenger.
In each case it mostly depended on whether you were the first in the line or behind a lot of others.
For the trains you go through passport control before you get on the train. In that case you have to be there about 40 minutes before the train leaves, before that the passport line opens and starts moving. How long before depends on the location as well as on the staff there and whether the train is already in or late in arriving.
Be at the start of the queue and you are through in seconds, be a little late to join and you may be half an hour in waiting.
With cars going onto or off ferries it is a lot like that, it depends on whether you are lucky or unlucky in your timing. I think your checks are mostly when you get off or at both ends, if so, luck in where you are in the waiting line to get on and whether your deck and your line in it is the first or last to leave the ferry will determine the wait.
The one time my brothers traveled on Boxing day and only 7 cars used that ferry, all of them were through the checks fast.
Foot passenger, be one of the first of, walk fast and you will be early in the queue. Be one of the last and you have to wait for your turn.
In flights it can be that simple or your plane can land just after some others and it can take a long time even when you are the first off.
Of course the season does always have some influence. In the peak times it is more likely that you have a long well filled train, a busy ferry or even several arriving close together if you are in a port where several come in. In airports it is more likely that several planes land at the same time. But even at the busiest times it can be quiet when you arrive, just before a lot of others.
And even at the quiet times you can be held up when they want to truly check the people ahead of you.
And it depends also on whether the border services have adjusted the number of staff for the season and expected crowds.
One sample, AMS (Amsterdam airport, so not the UK but it is not that different in how it usually works,) most times I have had a few people in front of me, waiting time seconds to minutes. But one time I was unlucky and the automated system had broken down, waiting time over an hour, and everybody, regardless of passports, was much later than they usually would have been. And it was a day when it should not have been busy.
I am EU European and usually travel with my ID card as well as my passport and use the passport in the automated system when that seems to be a shorter wait (which is mostly the case.)
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
1
Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
add a comment |
I have used planes, trains, ferries as foot passenger and as car passenger.
In each case it mostly depended on whether you were the first in the line or behind a lot of others.
For the trains you go through passport control before you get on the train. In that case you have to be there about 40 minutes before the train leaves, before that the passport line opens and starts moving. How long before depends on the location as well as on the staff there and whether the train is already in or late in arriving.
Be at the start of the queue and you are through in seconds, be a little late to join and you may be half an hour in waiting.
With cars going onto or off ferries it is a lot like that, it depends on whether you are lucky or unlucky in your timing. I think your checks are mostly when you get off or at both ends, if so, luck in where you are in the waiting line to get on and whether your deck and your line in it is the first or last to leave the ferry will determine the wait.
The one time my brothers traveled on Boxing day and only 7 cars used that ferry, all of them were through the checks fast.
Foot passenger, be one of the first of, walk fast and you will be early in the queue. Be one of the last and you have to wait for your turn.
In flights it can be that simple or your plane can land just after some others and it can take a long time even when you are the first off.
Of course the season does always have some influence. In the peak times it is more likely that you have a long well filled train, a busy ferry or even several arriving close together if you are in a port where several come in. In airports it is more likely that several planes land at the same time. But even at the busiest times it can be quiet when you arrive, just before a lot of others.
And even at the quiet times you can be held up when they want to truly check the people ahead of you.
And it depends also on whether the border services have adjusted the number of staff for the season and expected crowds.
One sample, AMS (Amsterdam airport, so not the UK but it is not that different in how it usually works,) most times I have had a few people in front of me, waiting time seconds to minutes. But one time I was unlucky and the automated system had broken down, waiting time over an hour, and everybody, regardless of passports, was much later than they usually would have been. And it was a day when it should not have been busy.
I am EU European and usually travel with my ID card as well as my passport and use the passport in the automated system when that seems to be a shorter wait (which is mostly the case.)
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
1
Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
add a comment |
I have used planes, trains, ferries as foot passenger and as car passenger.
In each case it mostly depended on whether you were the first in the line or behind a lot of others.
For the trains you go through passport control before you get on the train. In that case you have to be there about 40 minutes before the train leaves, before that the passport line opens and starts moving. How long before depends on the location as well as on the staff there and whether the train is already in or late in arriving.
Be at the start of the queue and you are through in seconds, be a little late to join and you may be half an hour in waiting.
With cars going onto or off ferries it is a lot like that, it depends on whether you are lucky or unlucky in your timing. I think your checks are mostly when you get off or at both ends, if so, luck in where you are in the waiting line to get on and whether your deck and your line in it is the first or last to leave the ferry will determine the wait.
The one time my brothers traveled on Boxing day and only 7 cars used that ferry, all of them were through the checks fast.
Foot passenger, be one of the first of, walk fast and you will be early in the queue. Be one of the last and you have to wait for your turn.
In flights it can be that simple or your plane can land just after some others and it can take a long time even when you are the first off.
Of course the season does always have some influence. In the peak times it is more likely that you have a long well filled train, a busy ferry or even several arriving close together if you are in a port where several come in. In airports it is more likely that several planes land at the same time. But even at the busiest times it can be quiet when you arrive, just before a lot of others.
And even at the quiet times you can be held up when they want to truly check the people ahead of you.
And it depends also on whether the border services have adjusted the number of staff for the season and expected crowds.
One sample, AMS (Amsterdam airport, so not the UK but it is not that different in how it usually works,) most times I have had a few people in front of me, waiting time seconds to minutes. But one time I was unlucky and the automated system had broken down, waiting time over an hour, and everybody, regardless of passports, was much later than they usually would have been. And it was a day when it should not have been busy.
I am EU European and usually travel with my ID card as well as my passport and use the passport in the automated system when that seems to be a shorter wait (which is mostly the case.)
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
I have used planes, trains, ferries as foot passenger and as car passenger.
In each case it mostly depended on whether you were the first in the line or behind a lot of others.
For the trains you go through passport control before you get on the train. In that case you have to be there about 40 minutes before the train leaves, before that the passport line opens and starts moving. How long before depends on the location as well as on the staff there and whether the train is already in or late in arriving.
Be at the start of the queue and you are through in seconds, be a little late to join and you may be half an hour in waiting.
With cars going onto or off ferries it is a lot like that, it depends on whether you are lucky or unlucky in your timing. I think your checks are mostly when you get off or at both ends, if so, luck in where you are in the waiting line to get on and whether your deck and your line in it is the first or last to leave the ferry will determine the wait.
The one time my brothers traveled on Boxing day and only 7 cars used that ferry, all of them were through the checks fast.
Foot passenger, be one of the first of, walk fast and you will be early in the queue. Be one of the last and you have to wait for your turn.
In flights it can be that simple or your plane can land just after some others and it can take a long time even when you are the first off.
Of course the season does always have some influence. In the peak times it is more likely that you have a long well filled train, a busy ferry or even several arriving close together if you are in a port where several come in. In airports it is more likely that several planes land at the same time. But even at the busiest times it can be quiet when you arrive, just before a lot of others.
And even at the quiet times you can be held up when they want to truly check the people ahead of you.
And it depends also on whether the border services have adjusted the number of staff for the season and expected crowds.
One sample, AMS (Amsterdam airport, so not the UK but it is not that different in how it usually works,) most times I have had a few people in front of me, waiting time seconds to minutes. But one time I was unlucky and the automated system had broken down, waiting time over an hour, and everybody, regardless of passports, was much later than they usually would have been. And it was a day when it should not have been busy.
I am EU European and usually travel with my ID card as well as my passport and use the passport in the automated system when that seems to be a shorter wait (which is mostly the case.)
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
edited May 19 at 20:26
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
answered May 19 at 19:00
Willeke♦Willeke
32.1k1188166
32.1k1188166
1
Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
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Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
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Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Let’s just add one point: if you use the Eurostar, then higher classes and frequent travellers have priority queues and usually shorter waiting times for passport control. When it gets real busy they shift back people from the regular queues to the priority queues so it’s not universal, but still usually better (that’s one of the reasons those passengers have a 10-minute deadline instead of the usual 30 minutes).
– jcaron
May 19 at 21:12
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
Just like the airlines in airports have special queues for first class and frequent passengers. For passport control there is (often) a system which works for frequent passengers who are willing to pay extra.
– Willeke♦
May 20 at 19:44
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
that happens in some airports (e.g CDG) but I’m not aware of any such arrangements in UK airports for passport control (contrary to security checks), am I wrong?
– jcaron
May 20 at 20:47
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
I am also not aware of such a system in the UK, but I am not their target group. So might have missed information.
– Willeke♦
May 21 at 4:11
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Your question is based on a false premise. You assume, for example, that all British airports are essentially the same, but there's no reason to believe that's true. For example, at Heathrow, there is a constant stream of arriving planes arriving so one time is very much like any other; at a small regional airport, you might be unlucky and have two or three planes arriving at once and swaming passport control. Then, as an alternative, you suggest that every passport queue in the UK will be about the same speed on any particular day. Why would that be true?
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:35
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In reality, every point of entry is likely to have its own unique characteristics.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 19:36
i don't assume anything, just asking a question and I wrote that question as concisely as I could. You, on the other hand, assume that I assume that all airports in the UK are the same. Of course they are not the same! But why should I mention it when formulating my question?
– kamokoba
May 19 at 23:42
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People don't generate questions randomly. When you ask whether queue length depends only on mode of transport or only on season, that carries a strong implication that you believe that one of these options is correct.
– David Richerby
May 19 at 23:50
lol. Of course, it's not that rare that questions do have some sort of prconceptions, assumptions, etc. It's just the natural way of questioning. And this forum is a good place to get things clarified, regardless if question has some strong preconceived notions or none at all
– kamokoba
May 21 at 6:40