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What is the origin of 落第?
Origin/etymology of こころ～ wordsWhat is the most common usage and meaning of もったいない?How is 潔いさぎよい related to 清きよい?What is the function of と in とある?Why is the phrase ご連絡申しあげます linguistially correct?Heuristics for identifying Japanese-origin words (和語)Adjectives ending in 「〜やか」What does 古えの地綺譚 mean, how do you read it, and what is its origin?The yomikata of 十三What is the significance of number 8 (八) in Japanese?
I see how 落 can be a failure. But how is 第 relevant to failing an exam, is this a meaning other than 'number, -th' or implicitly falling below first place?
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I see how 落 can be a failure. But how is 第 relevant to failing an exam, is this a meaning other than 'number, -th' or implicitly falling below first place?
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I see how 落 can be a failure. But how is 第 relevant to failing an exam, is this a meaning other than 'number, -th' or implicitly falling below first place?
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I see how 落 can be a failure. But how is 第 relevant to failing an exam, is this a meaning other than 'number, -th' or implicitly falling below first place?
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I suggest that「落第」is a Chinese loanword. It originally meant failure to be selected as a ranked Imperial bureaucrat due to unsatisfactory results from the Imperial Examinations.
元 曾瑞 《留鞋記》楔子：＂人都道我落第無顏，羞歸鄉里＂
Everyone spoke about me not being selected for Imperial service, and to ashamedly return to my home village
- 「落」means to fall to the ground > fail
「第」refers to the grade-ranking result of a candidate's attempt at the Imperial Examinations (「科第」in Chinese)
北齊 顏之推 《顏氏家訓・勉學》：＂明經求第，則顧人答策。＂
[Testing] one's thorough knowledge of the classics and to obtain Imperial rank, candidates are invited to answer these questions.
Reference:
- 《kr:漢語大詞典》
answered Apr 20 at 22:34
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This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
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According to this website about etymologies,
「第」は「第何位」などと用いられるように、一段一段の段階をや物事の順序を意味し、転じて、段階ごとの試験も意味するようになった。
そこから、落第は段階ごとの試験に落ちる意味で「不合格」を表すようになった。
中国では「不合格」の意味で用いられるが、日本では「落第生」と言うように、不合格になることで進級や卒業ができないことも意味する。
Paraphrasing the relevant part about 第: the 第 comes from 第何位 and referred to the stairs in a staircase or the ordering of things. It then evolved to refer to tests that comes in tiers/steps. Then, 落第 would mean to fall down from a step in the sequence of tests.
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I suggest that「落第」is a Chinese loanword. It originally meant failure to be selected as a ranked Imperial bureaucrat due to unsatisfactory results from the Imperial Examinations.
元 曾瑞 《留鞋記》楔子：＂人都道我落第無顏，羞歸鄉里＂
Everyone spoke about me not being selected for Imperial service, and to ashamedly return to my home village
- 「落」means to fall to the ground > fail
「第」refers to the grade-ranking result of a candidate's attempt at the Imperial Examinations (「科第」in Chinese)
北齊 顏之推 《顏氏家訓・勉學》：＂明經求第，則顧人答策。＂
[Testing] one's thorough knowledge of the classics and to obtain Imperial rank, candidates are invited to answer these questions.
Reference:
- 《kr:漢語大詞典》
answered Apr 20 at 22:34
drooozedroooze
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This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
Apr 21 at 6:06
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I suggest that「落第」is a Chinese loanword. It originally meant failure to be selected as a ranked Imperial bureaucrat due to unsatisfactory results from the Imperial Examinations.
元 曾瑞 《留鞋記》楔子：＂人都道我落第無顏，羞歸鄉里＂
Everyone spoke about me not being selected for Imperial service, and to ashamedly return to my home village
- 「落」means to fall to the ground > fail
「第」refers to the grade-ranking result of a candidate's attempt at the Imperial Examinations (「科第」in Chinese)
北齊 顏之推 《顏氏家訓・勉學》：＂明經求第，則顧人答策。＂
[Testing] one's thorough knowledge of the classics and to obtain Imperial rank, candidates are invited to answer these questions.
Reference:
- 《kr:漢語大詞典》
answered Apr 20 at 22:34
drooozedroooze
6,14912135
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This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
Apr 21 at 6:06
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I suggest that「落第」is a Chinese loanword. It originally meant failure to be selected as a ranked Imperial bureaucrat due to unsatisfactory results from the Imperial Examinations.
元 曾瑞 《留鞋記》楔子：＂人都道我落第無顏，羞歸鄉里＂
Everyone spoke about me not being selected for Imperial service, and to ashamedly return to my home village
- 「落」means to fall to the ground > fail
「第」refers to the grade-ranking result of a candidate's attempt at the Imperial Examinations (「科第」in Chinese)
北齊 顏之推 《顏氏家訓・勉學》：＂明經求第，則顧人答策。＂
[Testing] one's thorough knowledge of the classics and to obtain Imperial rank, candidates are invited to answer these questions.
Reference:
- 《kr:漢語大詞典》
answered Apr 20 at 22:34
drooozedroooze
6,14912135
I suggest that「落第」is a Chinese loanword. It originally meant failure to be selected as a ranked Imperial bureaucrat due to unsatisfactory results from the Imperial Examinations.
元 曾瑞 《留鞋記》楔子：＂人都道我落第無顏，羞歸鄉里＂
Everyone spoke about me not being selected for Imperial service, and to ashamedly return to my home village
- 「落」means to fall to the ground > fail
「第」refers to the grade-ranking result of a candidate's attempt at the Imperial Examinations (「科第」in Chinese)
北齊 顏之推 《顏氏家訓・勉學》：＂明經求第，則顧人答策。＂
[Testing] one's thorough knowledge of the classics and to obtain Imperial rank, candidates are invited to answer these questions.
Reference:
- 《kr:漢語大詞典》
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This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
Apr 21 at 6:06
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This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
Apr 21 at 6:06
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This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
Apr 21 at 6:06
This is right. The antonym of 落第 is 及第 (to pass the imperial examination).
– jogloran
Apr 21 at 6:06
add a comment |
According to this website about etymologies,
「第」は「第何位」などと用いられるように、一段一段の段階をや物事の順序を意味し、転じて、段階ごとの試験も意味するようになった。
そこから、落第は段階ごとの試験に落ちる意味で「不合格」を表すようになった。
中国では「不合格」の意味で用いられるが、日本では「落第生」と言うように、不合格になることで進級や卒業ができないことも意味する。
Paraphrasing the relevant part about 第: the 第 comes from 第何位 and referred to the stairs in a staircase or the ordering of things. It then evolved to refer to tests that comes in tiers/steps. Then, 落第 would mean to fall down from a step in the sequence of tests.
answered Apr 20 at 15:42
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According to this website about etymologies,
「第」は「第何位」などと用いられるように、一段一段の段階をや物事の順序を意味し、転じて、段階ごとの試験も意味するようになった。
そこから、落第は段階ごとの試験に落ちる意味で「不合格」を表すようになった。
中国では「不合格」の意味で用いられるが、日本では「落第生」と言うように、不合格になることで進級や卒業ができないことも意味する。
Paraphrasing the relevant part about 第: the 第 comes from 第何位 and referred to the stairs in a staircase or the ordering of things. It then evolved to refer to tests that comes in tiers/steps. Then, 落第 would mean to fall down from a step in the sequence of tests.
answered Apr 20 at 15:42
RingilRingil
4,70921237
add a comment |
According to this website about etymologies,
「第」は「第何位」などと用いられるように、一段一段の段階をや物事の順序を意味し、転じて、段階ごとの試験も意味するようになった。
そこから、落第は段階ごとの試験に落ちる意味で「不合格」を表すようになった。
中国では「不合格」の意味で用いられるが、日本では「落第生」と言うように、不合格になることで進級や卒業ができないことも意味する。
Paraphrasing the relevant part about 第: the 第 comes from 第何位 and referred to the stairs in a staircase or the ordering of things. It then evolved to refer to tests that comes in tiers/steps. Then, 落第 would mean to fall down from a step in the sequence of tests.
answered Apr 20 at 15:42
RingilRingil
4,70921237
According to this website about etymologies,
「第」は「第何位」などと用いられるように、一段一段の段階をや物事の順序を意味し、転じて、段階ごとの試験も意味するようになった。
そこから、落第は段階ごとの試験に落ちる意味で「不合格」を表すようになった。
中国では「不合格」の意味で用いられるが、日本では「落第生」と言うように、不合格になることで進級や卒業ができないことも意味する。
Paraphrasing the relevant part about 第: the 第 comes from 第何位 and referred to the stairs in a staircase or the ordering of things. It then evolved to refer to tests that comes in tiers/steps. Then, 落第 would mean to fall down from a step in the sequence of tests.
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answered Apr 20 at 15:42
RingilRingil
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