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Does an attack redirected to an invisible target have disadvantage?
How can you get advantage from Invisibility if attacking ends it?Does the Warcaster feat grant ranged spell attacks in melee range without disadvantage?Since advantage and disadvantage caused in a heavy obscured area cancel out, what effect does it have in combat?When attacking while invisible, when exactly does invisibility break?Does shield retroactively change the result of an attack?Do I have to “pre-cast” a reaction spell in order for it to be triggered?Does Chaos Bolt have to target someone else?Can you stay invisible by readying an attack instead of attacking?Does blocking an attack with the Shield spell still trigger Armor of Agathys?Do Steel Wind Strike's attacks have advantage or disadvantage against distant prone targets?
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An interesting combo came up in gameplay: An invisible party member chose to defend another party member using their non-spell, non-attack reaction (arrow catching shield.)
In the description for the invisibility spell (PH pg. 254), it says:
The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell.
In the description for the arrow-catching shield, it says
In addition, whenever an attacker makes a ranged attack against a
target within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to become the
target of the attack instead.
According to the rules of the invisible condition (PHB, pg. 291):
Attack rolls against you have disadvantage.
Should the attack now be with disadvantage, even though it's already been made?
The central question is Does redirecting an attack to a different target cause the attack to be made under the rules for the conditions affecting the new target?
dnd-5e spells invisibility advantage-and-disadvantage
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An interesting combo came up in gameplay: An invisible party member chose to defend another party member using their non-spell, non-attack reaction (arrow catching shield.)
In the description for the invisibility spell (PH pg. 254), it says:
The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell.
In the description for the arrow-catching shield, it says
In addition, whenever an attacker makes a ranged attack against a
target within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to become the
target of the attack instead.
According to the rules of the invisible condition (PHB, pg. 291):
Attack rolls against you have disadvantage.
Should the attack now be with disadvantage, even though it's already been made?
The central question is Does redirecting an attack to a different target cause the attack to be made under the rules for the conditions affecting the new target?
dnd-5e spells invisibility advantage-and-disadvantage
edited May 4 at 10:38
Rubiksmoose
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asked May 4 at 6:37
Sum of e D piSum of e D pi
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How about I delete and re-ask?
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– Sum of e D pi
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There's no need to delete it. Just edit one of the two questions out of this post and ask it separately. Then this one can be reopened, and the other question can be answered properly as well.
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– V2Blast
May 4 at 10:10
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Thanks. Reworded so specifically address the condition aspect.
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May 4 at 10:20
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An interesting combo came up in gameplay: An invisible party member chose to defend another party member using their non-spell, non-attack reaction (arrow catching shield.)
In the description for the invisibility spell (PH pg. 254), it says:
The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell.
In the description for the arrow-catching shield, it says
In addition, whenever an attacker makes a ranged attack against a
target within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to become the
target of the attack instead.
According to the rules of the invisible condition (PHB, pg. 291):
Attack rolls against you have disadvantage.
Should the attack now be with disadvantage, even though it's already been made?
The central question is Does redirecting an attack to a different target cause the attack to be made under the rules for the conditions affecting the new target?
dnd-5e spells invisibility advantage-and-disadvantage
edited May 4 at 10:38
Rubiksmoose
64.7k10310469
asked May 4 at 6:37
Sum of e D piSum of e D pi
662124
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An interesting combo came up in gameplay: An invisible party member chose to defend another party member using their non-spell, non-attack reaction (arrow catching shield.)
In the description for the invisibility spell (PH pg. 254), it says:
The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell.
In the description for the arrow-catching shield, it says
In addition, whenever an attacker makes a ranged attack against a
target within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to become the
target of the attack instead.
According to the rules of the invisible condition (PHB, pg. 291):
Attack rolls against you have disadvantage.
Should the attack now be with disadvantage, even though it's already been made?
The central question is Does redirecting an attack to a different target cause the attack to be made under the rules for the conditions affecting the new target?
dnd-5e spells invisibility advantage-and-disadvantage
dnd-5e spells invisibility advantage-and-disadvantage
edited May 4 at 10:38
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Sum of e D piSum of e D pi
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Rubiksmoose
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Sum of e D piSum of e D pi
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Rubiksmoose
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Rubiksmoose
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There's no need to delete it. Just edit one of the two questions out of this post and ask it separately. Then this one can be reopened, and the other question can be answered properly as well.
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– V2Blast
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Thanks. Reworded so specifically address the condition aspect.
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How about I delete and re-ask?
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There's no need to delete it. Just edit one of the two questions out of this post and ask it separately. Then this one can be reopened, and the other question can be answered properly as well.
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– V2Blast
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Thanks. Reworded so specifically address the condition aspect.
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How about I delete and re-ask?
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How about I delete and re-ask?
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There's no need to delete it. Just edit one of the two questions out of this post and ask it separately. Then this one can be reopened, and the other question can be answered properly as well.
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There's no need to delete it. Just edit one of the two questions out of this post and ask it separately. Then this one can be reopened, and the other question can be answered properly as well.
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Thanks. Reworded so specifically address the condition aspect.
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It's not an attack, nor casting a spell, so invisibility does not end.
My reading of the shield is that you have to declare that you direct the arrow at yourself before the arrow has hit or missed the target. If the GM has already rolled for the attack and you declare that you want to redirect the arrow at yourself, that attack roll becomes invalid and the GM makes a new attack roll with disadvantage against you.
answered May 4 at 8:38
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I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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When the attack is declared you can choose to make yourself the target of it. If you do you remain invisible (because you have not attacked or cast a spell) and the attack is made with disadvantage as a result of your invisibility. If you don’t so choose the attack is made against your ally normally.
If you wait until the attack has been rolled you no longer have the option to make yourself the target. The shield is not one of those effects where you get to see the roll before you decide to use it.
answered May 4 at 11:00
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Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
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– Sum of e D pi
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No for both
Invisibility, from the spell of the same name, only ends when you make an attack or cast a spell as you stated.
Being invisible wouldn't cause disadvantage if you redirect the attack since the attack roll was made against your ally, not you.
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It's not an attack, nor casting a spell, so invisibility does not end.
My reading of the shield is that you have to declare that you direct the arrow at yourself before the arrow has hit or missed the target. If the GM has already rolled for the attack and you declare that you want to redirect the arrow at yourself, that attack roll becomes invalid and the GM makes a new attack roll with disadvantage against you.
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
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I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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– Sum of e D pi
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It's not an attack, nor casting a spell, so invisibility does not end.
My reading of the shield is that you have to declare that you direct the arrow at yourself before the arrow has hit or missed the target. If the GM has already rolled for the attack and you declare that you want to redirect the arrow at yourself, that attack roll becomes invalid and the GM makes a new attack roll with disadvantage against you.
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
2,979724
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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It's not an attack, nor casting a spell, so invisibility does not end.
My reading of the shield is that you have to declare that you direct the arrow at yourself before the arrow has hit or missed the target. If the GM has already rolled for the attack and you declare that you want to redirect the arrow at yourself, that attack roll becomes invalid and the GM makes a new attack roll with disadvantage against you.
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
2,979724
$endgroup$
It's not an attack, nor casting a spell, so invisibility does not end.
My reading of the shield is that you have to declare that you direct the arrow at yourself before the arrow has hit or missed the target. If the GM has already rolled for the attack and you declare that you want to redirect the arrow at yourself, that attack roll becomes invalid and the GM makes a new attack roll with disadvantage against you.
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
2,979724
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
2,979724
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
2,979724
answered May 4 at 8:38
YoraYora
2,979724
2,979724
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I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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I'm giving the correct answer to you because you also address the "outside the rules aspect." Out DM tends to announce "The monster hits the mage for..." And then we do our reactions and the re-roll aspect seems the more... real-world gameplay fair. Thanks!
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When the attack is declared you can choose to make yourself the target of it. If you do you remain invisible (because you have not attacked or cast a spell) and the attack is made with disadvantage as a result of your invisibility. If you don’t so choose the attack is made against your ally normally.
If you wait until the attack has been rolled you no longer have the option to make yourself the target. The shield is not one of those effects where you get to see the roll before you decide to use it.
answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
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Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
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– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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When the attack is declared you can choose to make yourself the target of it. If you do you remain invisible (because you have not attacked or cast a spell) and the attack is made with disadvantage as a result of your invisibility. If you don’t so choose the attack is made against your ally normally.
If you wait until the attack has been rolled you no longer have the option to make yourself the target. The shield is not one of those effects where you get to see the roll before you decide to use it.
answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
113k24295499
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
$endgroup$
– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
add a comment |
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When the attack is declared you can choose to make yourself the target of it. If you do you remain invisible (because you have not attacked or cast a spell) and the attack is made with disadvantage as a result of your invisibility. If you don’t so choose the attack is made against your ally normally.
If you wait until the attack has been rolled you no longer have the option to make yourself the target. The shield is not one of those effects where you get to see the roll before you decide to use it.
answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
113k24295499
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When the attack is declared you can choose to make yourself the target of it. If you do you remain invisible (because you have not attacked or cast a spell) and the attack is made with disadvantage as a result of your invisibility. If you don’t so choose the attack is made against your ally normally.
If you wait until the attack has been rolled you no longer have the option to make yourself the target. The shield is not one of those effects where you get to see the roll before you decide to use it.
answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
113k24295499
answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
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answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
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answered May 4 at 11:00
Dale MDale M
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113k24295499
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Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
$endgroup$
– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
$endgroup$
– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
$endgroup$
– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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Thanks for the answer! I'm going to try and train our DM to announce the attack first before he declares a hit, just so I can have a better chance to use this item,
$endgroup$
– Sum of e D pi
2 days ago
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No for both
Invisibility, from the spell of the same name, only ends when you make an attack or cast a spell as you stated.
Being invisible wouldn't cause disadvantage if you redirect the attack since the attack roll was made against your ally, not you.
edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
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No for both
Invisibility, from the spell of the same name, only ends when you make an attack or cast a spell as you stated.
Being invisible wouldn't cause disadvantage if you redirect the attack since the attack roll was made against your ally, not you.
edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
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answered May 4 at 7:19
Allan MillsAllan Mills
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No for both
Invisibility, from the spell of the same name, only ends when you make an attack or cast a spell as you stated.
Being invisible wouldn't cause disadvantage if you redirect the attack since the attack roll was made against your ally, not you.
edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
29.1k5105177
answered May 4 at 7:19
Allan MillsAllan Mills
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No for both
Invisibility, from the spell of the same name, only ends when you make an attack or cast a spell as you stated.
Being invisible wouldn't cause disadvantage if you redirect the attack since the attack roll was made against your ally, not you.
edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
29.1k5105177
answered May 4 at 7:19
Allan MillsAllan Mills
1,90420
edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
29.1k5105177
edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
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edited May 4 at 7:56
V2Blast
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29.1k5105177
answered May 4 at 7:19
Allan MillsAllan Mills
1,90420
answered May 4 at 7:19
Allan MillsAllan Mills
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answered May 4 at 7:19
Allan MillsAllan Mills
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There's no need to delete it. Just edit one of the two questions out of this post and ask it separately. Then this one can be reopened, and the other question can be answered properly as well.
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– V2Blast
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Thanks. Reworded so specifically address the condition aspect.
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