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What is Plautus’s pun about frustum and frustrum?


DVCITIS, DUCITIS, DŪCITISWhat is “express” in Latin?Do we know which Latin word the Italian term “andante” comes from?How to place a second stress on a long wordIs “s” between two vowels voiced or unvoiced?Origin of the reconstructed pronunciationWhen did the Romans start using Z?Proper use of De Jure and De Facto in the context of “what is” and “what is right”Was the name “Sasan/Sassan” often spelled with a double S in Latin or Greek?When and how was “bombax!” used?













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The word frustum is often mispronounced as frustrum.



Wikipedia states that this mispronunciation goes back a long time and a pun about them is included in the works of Plautus.



Can anyone direct me to this pun?










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    Can anyone direct me to this pun?










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      The word frustum is often mispronounced as frustrum.



      Wikipedia states that this mispronunciation goes back a long time and a pun about them is included in the works of Plautus.



      Can anyone direct me to this pun?










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      The word frustum is often mispronounced as frustrum.



      Wikipedia states that this mispronunciation goes back a long time and a pun about them is included in the works of Plautus.



      Can anyone direct me to this pun?







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          I wrote a longer answer to this on the English language stack exchange, but in the migration process it got deleted.
          Shorter answer: the quote is "ne sis frustra" from Plautus's play Miles Glorius and is a pun on "ne si frusta". Wikipedia synopsis:




          [Pyrgopolynices] is ambushed by Periplectomenus, and his cook Cario.
          The two men begin to beat him for trying to make advances on a married
          woman. Pyrgopolynices begs them to stop; eventually giving the men a
          hundred drachmae to halt their punches.




          The more literal translation of ne si frustra is something like "don't fool yourself". Cario, demanding the money, says "otherwise you won't get away, don't fool yourself":




          aliter hinc non ibis, ne sis frustra.




          Ne sis frustra is presumably a pun on ne sis frusta -- that you not be cutlets -- alluding to the cook's knife and involuntary castration.



          In another English version the translators preserve the pun, having Cario say that the money is "to let you go without testifying" (testify-testicles ho ho).






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          I wrote a longer answer to this on the English language stack exchange, but in the migration process it got deleted.
          Shorter answer: the quote is "ne sis frustra" from Plautus's play Miles Glorius and is a pun on "ne si frusta". Wikipedia synopsis:




          [Pyrgopolynices] is ambushed by Periplectomenus, and his cook Cario.
          The two men begin to beat him for trying to make advances on a married
          woman. Pyrgopolynices begs them to stop; eventually giving the men a
          hundred drachmae to halt their punches.




          The more literal translation of ne si frustra is something like "don't fool yourself". Cario, demanding the money, says "otherwise you won't get away, don't fool yourself":




          aliter hinc non ibis, ne sis frustra.




          Ne sis frustra is presumably a pun on ne sis frusta -- that you not be cutlets -- alluding to the cook's knife and involuntary castration.



          In another English version the translators preserve the pun, having Cario say that the money is "to let you go without testifying" (testify-testicles ho ho).






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            Nice pun and great answer! Welcome to the Latin site. Don't hesitate to answer ans ask more!

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          I wrote a longer answer to this on the English language stack exchange, but in the migration process it got deleted.
          Shorter answer: the quote is "ne sis frustra" from Plautus's play Miles Glorius and is a pun on "ne si frusta". Wikipedia synopsis:




          [Pyrgopolynices] is ambushed by Periplectomenus, and his cook Cario.
          The two men begin to beat him for trying to make advances on a married
          woman. Pyrgopolynices begs them to stop; eventually giving the men a
          hundred drachmae to halt their punches.




          The more literal translation of ne si frustra is something like "don't fool yourself". Cario, demanding the money, says "otherwise you won't get away, don't fool yourself":




          aliter hinc non ibis, ne sis frustra.




          Ne sis frustra is presumably a pun on ne sis frusta -- that you not be cutlets -- alluding to the cook's knife and involuntary castration.



          In another English version the translators preserve the pun, having Cario say that the money is "to let you go without testifying" (testify-testicles ho ho).






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          I wrote a longer answer to this on the English language stack exchange, but in the migration process it got deleted.
          Shorter answer: the quote is "ne sis frustra" from Plautus's play Miles Glorius and is a pun on "ne si frusta". Wikipedia synopsis:




          [Pyrgopolynices] is ambushed by Periplectomenus, and his cook Cario.
          The two men begin to beat him for trying to make advances on a married
          woman. Pyrgopolynices begs them to stop; eventually giving the men a
          hundred drachmae to halt their punches.




          The more literal translation of ne si frustra is something like "don't fool yourself". Cario, demanding the money, says "otherwise you won't get away, don't fool yourself":




          aliter hinc non ibis, ne sis frustra.




          Ne sis frustra is presumably a pun on ne sis frusta -- that you not be cutlets -- alluding to the cook's knife and involuntary castration.



          In another English version the translators preserve the pun, having Cario say that the money is "to let you go without testifying" (testify-testicles ho ho).






          share|improve this answer















          I wrote a longer answer to this on the English language stack exchange, but in the migration process it got deleted.
          Shorter answer: the quote is "ne sis frustra" from Plautus's play Miles Glorius and is a pun on "ne si frusta". Wikipedia synopsis:




          [Pyrgopolynices] is ambushed by Periplectomenus, and his cook Cario.
          The two men begin to beat him for trying to make advances on a married
          woman. Pyrgopolynices begs them to stop; eventually giving the men a
          hundred drachmae to halt their punches.




          The more literal translation of ne si frustra is something like "don't fool yourself". Cario, demanding the money, says "otherwise you won't get away, don't fool yourself":




          aliter hinc non ibis, ne sis frustra.




          Ne sis frustra is presumably a pun on ne sis frusta -- that you not be cutlets -- alluding to the cook's knife and involuntary castration.



          In another English version the translators preserve the pun, having Cario say that the money is "to let you go without testifying" (testify-testicles ho ho).







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