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Why didn't this character get a funeral at the end of Avengers: Endgame?
Why were the avengers fighting each other?Why didn't the Avengers consider using Ant-Man this way?Black Widow's story after EndgameWhat's the metal clinking sound at the end of credits in Avengers: Endgame?Why didn't the Avengers need this equipment?Why go to such a disadvantageous time in “Avengers: Endgame”?Why do the Avengers struggle so much against Thanos in “Endgame”, when they managed to resist him in “Infinity War” in a supposedly worse situation?Who are all the people at the funeral?How does Thor get this in Endgame?
In the movie Avengers: Endgame, Tony (Iron Man) is memorialized at the end of the movie with a funeral attended by the Avengers and their friends, but why didn't Black Widow get the same treatment?
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In the movie Avengers: Endgame, Tony (Iron Man) is memorialized at the end of the movie with a funeral attended by the Avengers and their friends, but why didn't Black Widow get the same treatment?
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Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?
– A J♦
May 3 at 12:15
@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D
– Jenayah
May 3 at 12:16
@Jenayah I added more links :P
– Ankit Sharma
May 3 at 12:25
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Thank you for not putting a spoiler in the title
– CharlieB
May 3 at 19:46
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Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.
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In the movie Avengers: Endgame, Tony (Iron Man) is memorialized at the end of the movie with a funeral attended by the Avengers and their friends, but why didn't Black Widow get the same treatment?
plot-explanation marvel-cinematic-universe avengers-endgame
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In the movie Avengers: Endgame, Tony (Iron Man) is memorialized at the end of the movie with a funeral attended by the Avengers and their friends, but why didn't Black Widow get the same treatment?
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plot-explanation marvel-cinematic-universe avengers-endgame
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Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?
– A J♦
May 3 at 12:15
@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D
– Jenayah
May 3 at 12:16
@Jenayah I added more links :P
– Ankit Sharma
May 3 at 12:25
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Thank you for not putting a spoiler in the title
– CharlieB
May 3 at 19:46
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Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 21:31
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Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?
– A J♦
May 3 at 12:15
@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D
– Jenayah
May 3 at 12:16
@Jenayah I added more links :P
– Ankit Sharma
May 3 at 12:25
2
Thank you for not putting a spoiler in the title
– CharlieB
May 3 at 19:46
5
Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 21:31
3
3
Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?
– A J♦
May 3 at 12:15
Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?
– A J♦
May 3 at 12:15
@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D
– Jenayah
May 3 at 12:16
@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D
– Jenayah
May 3 at 12:16
@Jenayah I added more links :P
– Ankit Sharma
May 3 at 12:25
@Jenayah I added more links :P
– Ankit Sharma
May 3 at 12:25
2
2
Thank you for not putting a spoiler in the title
– CharlieB
May 3 at 19:46
Thank you for not putting a spoiler in the title
– CharlieB
May 3 at 19:46
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Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 21:31
Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.
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This was addressed in an interview - basically, who says she didn't/won't?
Some people felt like Natasha deserved a funeral just like Tony. [...] The Russos cleared the air regarding this topic as well:
Q: Why didn’t Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes were mourning for her after when they returned from the past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be told.
'Avengers: Endgame’ directors just explained some of the movie’s biggest mysteries, BGR, April 30th, 2019
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
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What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
add a comment |
From screenrant
During a Q&A with Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo posted on Chinese website Tencent QQ (and translated by Reddit), the lack of this scene was finally addressed. In typical Russo fashion though, he suggested many possible explanations for why it's not in the movie.
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
Additionally, co-writer Christopher Markus gave his own explanation too
As Markus told The New York Times, "Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral."
Also from IGN (expressing mostly same motives)
McFeely explained: "Her journey, in our minds, had come to an end if
she could get the Avengers back. She comes from such an abusive,
terrible, mind-control background, so when she gets to Vormir and she
has a chance to get the family back, that’s a thing she would trade
for."
He continued, "The toughest thing for us was we were always worried
that people weren’t going to have time to be sad enough. The stakes
are still out there and they haven’t solved the problem. But we lost a
big character — a female character — how do we honor it? We have this
male lens and it’s a lot of guys being sad that a woman died."
answered May 3 at 12:14
Ankit SharmaAnkit Sharma
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I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
2
@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
1
@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
1
So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
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It could have happened off-screen or might happen in upcoming films.
As Joe Russo explains,
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
But Christopher Markus says,
Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral
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This was addressed in an interview - basically, who says she didn't/won't?
Some people felt like Natasha deserved a funeral just like Tony. [...] The Russos cleared the air regarding this topic as well:
Q: Why didn’t Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes were mourning for her after when they returned from the past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be told.
'Avengers: Endgame’ directors just explained some of the movie’s biggest mysteries, BGR, April 30th, 2019
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
3
What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
add a comment |
This was addressed in an interview - basically, who says she didn't/won't?
Some people felt like Natasha deserved a funeral just like Tony. [...] The Russos cleared the air regarding this topic as well:
Q: Why didn’t Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes were mourning for her after when they returned from the past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be told.
'Avengers: Endgame’ directors just explained some of the movie’s biggest mysteries, BGR, April 30th, 2019
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
3
What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
add a comment |
This was addressed in an interview - basically, who says she didn't/won't?
Some people felt like Natasha deserved a funeral just like Tony. [...] The Russos cleared the air regarding this topic as well:
Q: Why didn’t Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes were mourning for her after when they returned from the past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be told.
'Avengers: Endgame’ directors just explained some of the movie’s biggest mysteries, BGR, April 30th, 2019
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
This was addressed in an interview - basically, who says she didn't/won't?
Some people felt like Natasha deserved a funeral just like Tony. [...] The Russos cleared the air regarding this topic as well:
Q: Why didn’t Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes were mourning for her after when they returned from the past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be told.
'Avengers: Endgame’ directors just explained some of the movie’s biggest mysteries, BGR, April 30th, 2019
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
answered May 3 at 12:14
JenayahJenayah
4,25512639
4,25512639
3
What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
add a comment |
3
What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
3
3
What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.
– user
May 6 at 8:24
add a comment |
From screenrant
During a Q&A with Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo posted on Chinese website Tencent QQ (and translated by Reddit), the lack of this scene was finally addressed. In typical Russo fashion though, he suggested many possible explanations for why it's not in the movie.
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
Additionally, co-writer Christopher Markus gave his own explanation too
As Markus told The New York Times, "Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral."
Also from IGN (expressing mostly same motives)
McFeely explained: "Her journey, in our minds, had come to an end if
she could get the Avengers back. She comes from such an abusive,
terrible, mind-control background, so when she gets to Vormir and she
has a chance to get the family back, that’s a thing she would trade
for."
He continued, "The toughest thing for us was we were always worried
that people weren’t going to have time to be sad enough. The stakes
are still out there and they haven’t solved the problem. But we lost a
big character — a female character — how do we honor it? We have this
male lens and it’s a lot of guys being sad that a woman died."
answered May 3 at 12:14
Ankit SharmaAnkit Sharma
79.3k67426652
5
I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
2
@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
1
@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
1
So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
|
show 5 more comments
From screenrant
During a Q&A with Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo posted on Chinese website Tencent QQ (and translated by Reddit), the lack of this scene was finally addressed. In typical Russo fashion though, he suggested many possible explanations for why it's not in the movie.
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
Additionally, co-writer Christopher Markus gave his own explanation too
As Markus told The New York Times, "Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral."
Also from IGN (expressing mostly same motives)
McFeely explained: "Her journey, in our minds, had come to an end if
she could get the Avengers back. She comes from such an abusive,
terrible, mind-control background, so when she gets to Vormir and she
has a chance to get the family back, that’s a thing she would trade
for."
He continued, "The toughest thing for us was we were always worried
that people weren’t going to have time to be sad enough. The stakes
are still out there and they haven’t solved the problem. But we lost a
big character — a female character — how do we honor it? We have this
male lens and it’s a lot of guys being sad that a woman died."
answered May 3 at 12:14
Ankit SharmaAnkit Sharma
79.3k67426652
5
I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
2
@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
1
@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
1
So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
|
show 5 more comments
From screenrant
During a Q&A with Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo posted on Chinese website Tencent QQ (and translated by Reddit), the lack of this scene was finally addressed. In typical Russo fashion though, he suggested many possible explanations for why it's not in the movie.
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
Additionally, co-writer Christopher Markus gave his own explanation too
As Markus told The New York Times, "Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral."
Also from IGN (expressing mostly same motives)
McFeely explained: "Her journey, in our minds, had come to an end if
she could get the Avengers back. She comes from such an abusive,
terrible, mind-control background, so when she gets to Vormir and she
has a chance to get the family back, that’s a thing she would trade
for."
He continued, "The toughest thing for us was we were always worried
that people weren’t going to have time to be sad enough. The stakes
are still out there and they haven’t solved the problem. But we lost a
big character — a female character — how do we honor it? We have this
male lens and it’s a lot of guys being sad that a woman died."
answered May 3 at 12:14
Ankit SharmaAnkit Sharma
79.3k67426652
From screenrant
During a Q&A with Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo posted on Chinese website Tencent QQ (and translated by Reddit), the lack of this scene was finally addressed. In typical Russo fashion though, he suggested many possible explanations for why it's not in the movie.
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
Additionally, co-writer Christopher Markus gave his own explanation too
As Markus told The New York Times, "Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral."
Also from IGN (expressing mostly same motives)
McFeely explained: "Her journey, in our minds, had come to an end if
she could get the Avengers back. She comes from such an abusive,
terrible, mind-control background, so when she gets to Vormir and she
has a chance to get the family back, that’s a thing she would trade
for."
He continued, "The toughest thing for us was we were always worried
that people weren’t going to have time to be sad enough. The stakes
are still out there and they haven’t solved the problem. But we lost a
big character — a female character — how do we honor it? We have this
male lens and it’s a lot of guys being sad that a woman died."
answered May 3 at 12:14
Ankit SharmaAnkit Sharma
79.3k67426652
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answered May 3 at 12:14
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I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
2
@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
1
@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
1
So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
|
show 5 more comments
5
I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
2
@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
1
@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
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So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
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I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article?
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 15:43
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@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony.
– zibadawa timmy
May 3 at 22:00
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@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family."
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 22:17
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted).
– Harper
May 3 at 22:41
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1
So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.
– user
May 6 at 8:28
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It could have happened off-screen or might happen in upcoming films.
As Joe Russo explains,
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
But Christopher Markus says,
Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral
answered May 3 at 12:14
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It could have happened off-screen or might happen in upcoming films.
As Joe Russo explains,
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
But Christopher Markus says,
Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral
answered May 3 at 12:14
A J♦A J
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It could have happened off-screen or might happen in upcoming films.
As Joe Russo explains,
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
But Christopher Markus says,
Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral
answered May 3 at 12:14
A J♦A J
44.7k16237260
It could have happened off-screen or might happen in upcoming films.
As Joe Russo explains,
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
But Christopher Markus says,
Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral
answered May 3 at 12:14
A J♦A J
44.7k16237260
answered May 3 at 12:14
A J♦A J
44.7k16237260
answered May 3 at 12:14
A J♦A J
44.7k16237260
answered May 3 at 12:14
A J♦A J
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Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?
– A J♦
May 3 at 12:15
@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D
– Jenayah
May 3 at 12:16
@Jenayah I added more links :P
– Ankit Sharma
May 3 at 12:25
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Thank you for not putting a spoiler in the title
– CharlieB
May 3 at 19:46
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Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.
– Azor Ahai
May 3 at 21:31