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Why do American speakers pronounce “the” as “/ðə/” before vowels?
How do native speakers guess the pronunciation of a word that they've never seen before?Are there are more vowels in the American English than in British?Why are there two sets of vowels in English?Why can't I pronounce the ŋ sound? (native English speaker)How the British pronounce “want”?The pronunciation of the definite article by American speakersCan most native English speakers pronounce the alveolar trill? (The R in its most emphatic version)Are /gz ɨz/ pronounced voiced in normal speech? Why are they described as voiced consonants?Silent/linking 'r' before vowels in British EnglishIs the T in “Can't” pronounced before words starting with vowels in the American pronunciation?
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I learned that we have to pronounce /ðə/ before consonants & /ði/ before vowels.
For example, the /ðə/ car, but the /ði/ earth.
But it seems that a lot of American people pronounce the /ðə/ before vowels, for example the /ðə/ era.
Are these native speakers pronouncing wrong? or it is a dialect or something?
pronunciation articles phonology phonetics
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I learned that we have to pronounce /ðə/ before consonants & /ði/ before vowels.
For example, the /ðə/ car, but the /ði/ earth.
But it seems that a lot of American people pronounce the /ðə/ before vowels, for example the /ðə/ era.
Are these native speakers pronouncing wrong? or it is a dialect or something?
pronunciation articles phonology phonetics
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If your teachers had taught you to pronounce the always as /ðə/, you would be asking "why do a lot of native English speakers sometimes pronounce it /ði/?"
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 9:12
2
@PeterShor I was told (non-native) that /ði/ is used for emphasis. Teachers (and I too now that I notice it) told me that only using /ði/ seems like you're emphasising everything weirdly.
– JJJ
Jun 7 at 13:01
2
@JJJ The long version /ˈðiː/ is the emphatic one, but /ði/ is still considered standard before any vowel. Those are not the same thing because the emphatic one is stressed so that it is held longer and never reduced. There is only a length distinction between archaic I shall give thee animals and I shall give the animals — but the vowel is the same in both.
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:08
1
As a native speaker, I think the /ði/ pronunciation is only before low vowels. Or perhaps just vowels other than /i/. I would say /ðə/ before a high vowel like in "the eatery".
– Hearth
Jun 7 at 17:20
4
By definition, cannative speakers
wrongly pronounce their own language (even if some would consider their accent horrible)? I'm dubious.
– RonJohn
Jun 7 at 18:41
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I learned that we have to pronounce /ðə/ before consonants & /ði/ before vowels.
For example, the /ðə/ car, but the /ði/ earth.
But it seems that a lot of American people pronounce the /ðə/ before vowels, for example the /ðə/ era.
Are these native speakers pronouncing wrong? or it is a dialect or something?
pronunciation articles phonology phonetics
I learned that we have to pronounce /ðə/ before consonants & /ði/ before vowels.
For example, the /ðə/ car, but the /ði/ earth.
But it seems that a lot of American people pronounce the /ðə/ before vowels, for example the /ðə/ era.
Are these native speakers pronouncing wrong? or it is a dialect or something?
pronunciation articles phonology phonetics
pronunciation articles phonology phonetics
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If your teachers had taught you to pronounce the always as /ðə/, you would be asking "why do a lot of native English speakers sometimes pronounce it /ði/?"
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 9:12
2
@PeterShor I was told (non-native) that /ði/ is used for emphasis. Teachers (and I too now that I notice it) told me that only using /ði/ seems like you're emphasising everything weirdly.
– JJJ
Jun 7 at 13:01
2
@JJJ The long version /ˈðiː/ is the emphatic one, but /ði/ is still considered standard before any vowel. Those are not the same thing because the emphatic one is stressed so that it is held longer and never reduced. There is only a length distinction between archaic I shall give thee animals and I shall give the animals — but the vowel is the same in both.
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:08
1
As a native speaker, I think the /ði/ pronunciation is only before low vowels. Or perhaps just vowels other than /i/. I would say /ðə/ before a high vowel like in "the eatery".
– Hearth
Jun 7 at 17:20
4
By definition, cannative speakers
wrongly pronounce their own language (even if some would consider their accent horrible)? I'm dubious.
– RonJohn
Jun 7 at 18:41
|
show 6 more comments
5
If your teachers had taught you to pronounce the always as /ðə/, you would be asking "why do a lot of native English speakers sometimes pronounce it /ði/?"
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 9:12
2
@PeterShor I was told (non-native) that /ði/ is used for emphasis. Teachers (and I too now that I notice it) told me that only using /ði/ seems like you're emphasising everything weirdly.
– JJJ
Jun 7 at 13:01
2
@JJJ The long version /ˈðiː/ is the emphatic one, but /ði/ is still considered standard before any vowel. Those are not the same thing because the emphatic one is stressed so that it is held longer and never reduced. There is only a length distinction between archaic I shall give thee animals and I shall give the animals — but the vowel is the same in both.
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:08
1
As a native speaker, I think the /ði/ pronunciation is only before low vowels. Or perhaps just vowels other than /i/. I would say /ðə/ before a high vowel like in "the eatery".
– Hearth
Jun 7 at 17:20
4
By definition, cannative speakers
wrongly pronounce their own language (even if some would consider their accent horrible)? I'm dubious.
– RonJohn
Jun 7 at 18:41
5
5
If your teachers had taught you to pronounce the always as /ðə/, you would be asking "why do a lot of native English speakers sometimes pronounce it /ði/?"
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 9:12
If your teachers had taught you to pronounce the always as /ðə/, you would be asking "why do a lot of native English speakers sometimes pronounce it /ði/?"
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 9:12
2
2
@PeterShor I was told (non-native) that /ði/ is used for emphasis. Teachers (and I too now that I notice it) told me that only using /ði/ seems like you're emphasising everything weirdly.
– JJJ
Jun 7 at 13:01
@PeterShor I was told (non-native) that /ði/ is used for emphasis. Teachers (and I too now that I notice it) told me that only using /ði/ seems like you're emphasising everything weirdly.
– JJJ
Jun 7 at 13:01
2
2
@JJJ The long version /ˈðiː/ is the emphatic one, but /ði/ is still considered standard before any vowel. Those are not the same thing because the emphatic one is stressed so that it is held longer and never reduced. There is only a length distinction between archaic I shall give thee animals and I shall give the animals — but the vowel is the same in both.
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:08
@JJJ The long version /ˈðiː/ is the emphatic one, but /ði/ is still considered standard before any vowel. Those are not the same thing because the emphatic one is stressed so that it is held longer and never reduced. There is only a length distinction between archaic I shall give thee animals and I shall give the animals — but the vowel is the same in both.
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:08
1
1
As a native speaker, I think the /ði/ pronunciation is only before low vowels. Or perhaps just vowels other than /i/. I would say /ðə/ before a high vowel like in "the eatery".
– Hearth
Jun 7 at 17:20
As a native speaker, I think the /ði/ pronunciation is only before low vowels. Or perhaps just vowels other than /i/. I would say /ðə/ before a high vowel like in "the eatery".
– Hearth
Jun 7 at 17:20
4
4
By definition, can
native speakers
wrongly pronounce their own language (even if some would consider their accent horrible)? I'm dubious.– RonJohn
Jun 7 at 18:41
By definition, can
native speakers
wrongly pronounce their own language (even if some would consider their accent horrible)? I'm dubious.– RonJohn
Jun 7 at 18:41
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Many speakers of Gen Am and also speakers of British Englishes, including some young RP speakers, use a hard attack on the second word to separate a word-final and word initial vowel. For a minority of speakers this also occurs after the definite article. A ʜᴀʀᴅ ᴀᴛᴛᴀᴄᴋ is when a speaker uses a glottal stop, [ ʔ ], at the beginning of a word starting with a vowel*. So, for example, instead of saying [ɛnd] for the word end, a speaker using a hard attack would say [ʔɛnd]. In this syllable initial position, the glottal stop will not be recognised as a /t/.
Speakers who use a hard attack to separate the vowel in the from a following vowel will therefore say:
- [ðə ʔɜ:θ] for the earth.
This is a relatively new phenomenon, at least in RP. Will pedants decry any new and novel development in the language? Of course they will!
But are these speakers making mistakes? No! The rules of language are the rules which describe what real speakers of the language do. The Original Poster has therefore observed a real rule underlying such speakers' speech.
* Note that this is a hard attack, not a heart attack!
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It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
1
I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
2
@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
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Many speakers of Gen Am and also speakers of British Englishes, including some young RP speakers, use a hard attack on the second word to separate a word-final and word initial vowel. For a minority of speakers this also occurs after the definite article. A ʜᴀʀᴅ ᴀᴛᴛᴀᴄᴋ is when a speaker uses a glottal stop, [ ʔ ], at the beginning of a word starting with a vowel*. So, for example, instead of saying [ɛnd] for the word end, a speaker using a hard attack would say [ʔɛnd]. In this syllable initial position, the glottal stop will not be recognised as a /t/.
Speakers who use a hard attack to separate the vowel in the from a following vowel will therefore say:
- [ðə ʔɜ:θ] for the earth.
This is a relatively new phenomenon, at least in RP. Will pedants decry any new and novel development in the language? Of course they will!
But are these speakers making mistakes? No! The rules of language are the rules which describe what real speakers of the language do. The Original Poster has therefore observed a real rule underlying such speakers' speech.
* Note that this is a hard attack, not a heart attack!
1
It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
1
I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
2
@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
|
show 5 more comments
Many speakers of Gen Am and also speakers of British Englishes, including some young RP speakers, use a hard attack on the second word to separate a word-final and word initial vowel. For a minority of speakers this also occurs after the definite article. A ʜᴀʀᴅ ᴀᴛᴛᴀᴄᴋ is when a speaker uses a glottal stop, [ ʔ ], at the beginning of a word starting with a vowel*. So, for example, instead of saying [ɛnd] for the word end, a speaker using a hard attack would say [ʔɛnd]. In this syllable initial position, the glottal stop will not be recognised as a /t/.
Speakers who use a hard attack to separate the vowel in the from a following vowel will therefore say:
- [ðə ʔɜ:θ] for the earth.
This is a relatively new phenomenon, at least in RP. Will pedants decry any new and novel development in the language? Of course they will!
But are these speakers making mistakes? No! The rules of language are the rules which describe what real speakers of the language do. The Original Poster has therefore observed a real rule underlying such speakers' speech.
* Note that this is a hard attack, not a heart attack!
1
It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
1
I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
2
@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
|
show 5 more comments
Many speakers of Gen Am and also speakers of British Englishes, including some young RP speakers, use a hard attack on the second word to separate a word-final and word initial vowel. For a minority of speakers this also occurs after the definite article. A ʜᴀʀᴅ ᴀᴛᴛᴀᴄᴋ is when a speaker uses a glottal stop, [ ʔ ], at the beginning of a word starting with a vowel*. So, for example, instead of saying [ɛnd] for the word end, a speaker using a hard attack would say [ʔɛnd]. In this syllable initial position, the glottal stop will not be recognised as a /t/.
Speakers who use a hard attack to separate the vowel in the from a following vowel will therefore say:
- [ðə ʔɜ:θ] for the earth.
This is a relatively new phenomenon, at least in RP. Will pedants decry any new and novel development in the language? Of course they will!
But are these speakers making mistakes? No! The rules of language are the rules which describe what real speakers of the language do. The Original Poster has therefore observed a real rule underlying such speakers' speech.
* Note that this is a hard attack, not a heart attack!
Many speakers of Gen Am and also speakers of British Englishes, including some young RP speakers, use a hard attack on the second word to separate a word-final and word initial vowel. For a minority of speakers this also occurs after the definite article. A ʜᴀʀᴅ ᴀᴛᴛᴀᴄᴋ is when a speaker uses a glottal stop, [ ʔ ], at the beginning of a word starting with a vowel*. So, for example, instead of saying [ɛnd] for the word end, a speaker using a hard attack would say [ʔɛnd]. In this syllable initial position, the glottal stop will not be recognised as a /t/.
Speakers who use a hard attack to separate the vowel in the from a following vowel will therefore say:
- [ðə ʔɜ:θ] for the earth.
This is a relatively new phenomenon, at least in RP. Will pedants decry any new and novel development in the language? Of course they will!
But are these speakers making mistakes? No! The rules of language are the rules which describe what real speakers of the language do. The Original Poster has therefore observed a real rule underlying such speakers' speech.
* Note that this is a hard attack, not a heart attack!
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It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
1
I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
2
@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
|
show 5 more comments
1
It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
1
I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
2
@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
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It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
It seems to me that Americans have been using glottal stops to separate adjacent vowels for a lot longer than speakers of RP (who reputedly put an /r/ between two adjacent vowels that don't have a glide separating them already). So it's not surprising that Americans do this. But I'm surprised that RP speakers are starting to do this ... is the intrusive /r/ disappearing from RP?
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 11:34
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor Yes, RP speakers usually use intrusive /r/ before non-high vowels-- though never in this environment after the definite article (to the best of my knowledge). Speakers who use hard attack in this particular environment are still quite a minority. Re intrusive /r/ I'm not aware of any observed trend, but in any case, intrusive /r/ is a possibility, not a necessity (and used to be frowned on by pedants). So in this respect intrusive /r/ different from syllable final orthographic /r/. One would assume that, as you conjecture, ...
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 11:59
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
@PeterShor ... if even a few speakers are using hard attack instead of intrusive /r/, it must be declining at least to some small degree. But I don't know.
– Araucaria
Jun 7 at 12:00
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I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
I often hear what I think of as a "half-hearted glottal stop" after the schwa when Americans say things like Do you want something to eat? My BrE version interposes a /w/, so in rapid speech the schwa practically disappears and I end up saying ...something tweet.
– FumbleFingers
Jun 7 at 12:27
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@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
@FumbleFingers Standard English will often use a stop instead of a linking glide between duplicate adjacent vowels, such as for “the eel” [ðiˈʔiːɫ] instead of the version with a linking glide [ðiʲˈiːɫ]. (Hmm, I’m unsure how best to show reduction in the unstressed /i/ there. I suppose you could write the reduced one as [ɨ] or [ɪ̈] or maybe even [ɪ], and then shorten or omit the length marker from the unreduced one. Slow, careful speech displays much less reduction than fast, connected speech, and may even introduce artificial pauses perceivable as your “half-hearted glottal stops”.)
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:01
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If your teachers had taught you to pronounce the always as /ðə/, you would be asking "why do a lot of native English speakers sometimes pronounce it /ði/?"
– Peter Shor
Jun 7 at 9:12
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@PeterShor I was told (non-native) that /ði/ is used for emphasis. Teachers (and I too now that I notice it) told me that only using /ði/ seems like you're emphasising everything weirdly.
– JJJ
Jun 7 at 13:01
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@JJJ The long version /ˈðiː/ is the emphatic one, but /ði/ is still considered standard before any vowel. Those are not the same thing because the emphatic one is stressed so that it is held longer and never reduced. There is only a length distinction between archaic I shall give thee animals and I shall give the animals — but the vowel is the same in both.
– tchrist♦
Jun 7 at 13:08
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As a native speaker, I think the /ði/ pronunciation is only before low vowels. Or perhaps just vowels other than /i/. I would say /ðə/ before a high vowel like in "the eatery".
– Hearth
Jun 7 at 17:20
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By definition, can
native speakers
wrongly pronounce their own language (even if some would consider their accent horrible)? I'm dubious.– RonJohn
Jun 7 at 18:41