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If A is an m by n matrix, prove that the set of vectors b that are not in C(A) forms a subspace.



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I would like to first understand if I am interpreting the question correctly. My understanding of this question is that I need to first prove that the set of vectors b are equal to the 0 vector, and if b1 and b2 are members of the subspace, then the sum of set b should be a member, and so should some scalar C multiplied by the set of vectors b. I just don't understand how to actually prove this










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    I would like to first understand if I am interpreting the question correctly. My understanding of this question is that I need to first prove that the set of vectors b are equal to the 0 vector, and if b1 and b2 are members of the subspace, then the sum of set b should be a member, and so should some scalar C multiplied by the set of vectors b. I just don't understand how to actually prove this










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      I would like to first understand if I am interpreting the question correctly. My understanding of this question is that I need to first prove that the set of vectors b are equal to the 0 vector, and if b1 and b2 are members of the subspace, then the sum of set b should be a member, and so should some scalar C multiplied by the set of vectors b. I just don't understand how to actually prove this










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      If A is an m by n matrix, prove that the set of vectors b that are not in C(A) forms a subspace.



      I would like to first understand if I am interpreting the question correctly. My understanding of this question is that I need to first prove that the set of vectors b are equal to the 0 vector, and if b1 and b2 are members of the subspace, then the sum of set b should be a member, and so should some scalar C multiplied by the set of vectors b. I just don't understand how to actually prove this







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          Your result is wrong. Maybe this picture can help you figure out.



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          Since every subspace must contain the zero vector, noted by $underline0$.



          We know that $C(A)$ is a subspace for $mathbbR^m$, so $underline0in C(A) subseteq mathbbR^m$, that means the zero vector are inside the column space and also $mathbbR^m$.



          But if we consider $mathbbR^msetminus C(A)$, by the picture, it means we are now cancelling the red circle out, so the zero vector is no longer inside this "space".



          Therefore, it can not form a subspace.






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            Your first condition should be $0$ is in a subspace.



            Also, the result is not true.



            Let $0_m$ be the zero vector in $mathbbR^m$. We know that $0_m in C(A)$ since $sum_i=1^n A_i cdot 0=0_m$.



            $0_m$ is in $C(A)$, $0_m$ can't be in the set of vector that are not in $C(A)$. Hence the set of vectors that are not in $C(A)$ can't form a subspace.






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              Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
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            Your result is wrong. Maybe this picture can help you figure out.



            enter image description here



            Since every subspace must contain the zero vector, noted by $underline0$.



            We know that $C(A)$ is a subspace for $mathbbR^m$, so $underline0in C(A) subseteq mathbbR^m$, that means the zero vector are inside the column space and also $mathbbR^m$.



            But if we consider $mathbbR^msetminus C(A)$, by the picture, it means we are now cancelling the red circle out, so the zero vector is no longer inside this "space".



            Therefore, it can not form a subspace.






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              $begingroup$

              Your result is wrong. Maybe this picture can help you figure out.



              enter image description here



              Since every subspace must contain the zero vector, noted by $underline0$.



              We know that $C(A)$ is a subspace for $mathbbR^m$, so $underline0in C(A) subseteq mathbbR^m$, that means the zero vector are inside the column space and also $mathbbR^m$.



              But if we consider $mathbbR^msetminus C(A)$, by the picture, it means we are now cancelling the red circle out, so the zero vector is no longer inside this "space".



              Therefore, it can not form a subspace.






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                $begingroup$

                Your result is wrong. Maybe this picture can help you figure out.



                enter image description here



                Since every subspace must contain the zero vector, noted by $underline0$.



                We know that $C(A)$ is a subspace for $mathbbR^m$, so $underline0in C(A) subseteq mathbbR^m$, that means the zero vector are inside the column space and also $mathbbR^m$.



                But if we consider $mathbbR^msetminus C(A)$, by the picture, it means we are now cancelling the red circle out, so the zero vector is no longer inside this "space".



                Therefore, it can not form a subspace.






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                Your result is wrong. Maybe this picture can help you figure out.



                enter image description here



                Since every subspace must contain the zero vector, noted by $underline0$.



                We know that $C(A)$ is a subspace for $mathbbR^m$, so $underline0in C(A) subseteq mathbbR^m$, that means the zero vector are inside the column space and also $mathbbR^m$.



                But if we consider $mathbbR^msetminus C(A)$, by the picture, it means we are now cancelling the red circle out, so the zero vector is no longer inside this "space".



                Therefore, it can not form a subspace.







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                    Your first condition should be $0$ is in a subspace.



                    Also, the result is not true.



                    Let $0_m$ be the zero vector in $mathbbR^m$. We know that $0_m in C(A)$ since $sum_i=1^n A_i cdot 0=0_m$.



                    $0_m$ is in $C(A)$, $0_m$ can't be in the set of vector that are not in $C(A)$. Hence the set of vectors that are not in $C(A)$ can't form a subspace.






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                    • $begingroup$
                      How do I know that 0 is in C(A)?
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                      $C(A)$ is the column space right?
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                    • $begingroup$
                      Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
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                      – Adam
                      yesterday






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                      $begingroup$
                      I have included an explaination of why $0_m in C(A)$.
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                    Your first condition should be $0$ is in a subspace.



                    Also, the result is not true.



                    Let $0_m$ be the zero vector in $mathbbR^m$. We know that $0_m in C(A)$ since $sum_i=1^n A_i cdot 0=0_m$.



                    $0_m$ is in $C(A)$, $0_m$ can't be in the set of vector that are not in $C(A)$. Hence the set of vectors that are not in $C(A)$ can't form a subspace.






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                      How do I know that 0 is in C(A)?
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                    • $begingroup$
                      $C(A)$ is the column space right?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Siong Thye Goh
                      yesterday










                    • $begingroup$
                      Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
                      $endgroup$
                      – Adam
                      yesterday






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                      I have included an explaination of why $0_m in C(A)$.
                      $endgroup$
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                    Your first condition should be $0$ is in a subspace.



                    Also, the result is not true.



                    Let $0_m$ be the zero vector in $mathbbR^m$. We know that $0_m in C(A)$ since $sum_i=1^n A_i cdot 0=0_m$.



                    $0_m$ is in $C(A)$, $0_m$ can't be in the set of vector that are not in $C(A)$. Hence the set of vectors that are not in $C(A)$ can't form a subspace.






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                    Your first condition should be $0$ is in a subspace.



                    Also, the result is not true.



                    Let $0_m$ be the zero vector in $mathbbR^m$. We know that $0_m in C(A)$ since $sum_i=1^n A_i cdot 0=0_m$.



                    $0_m$ is in $C(A)$, $0_m$ can't be in the set of vector that are not in $C(A)$. Hence the set of vectors that are not in $C(A)$ can't form a subspace.







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                    • $begingroup$
                      How do I know that 0 is in C(A)?
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                      – Adam
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                    • $begingroup$
                      $C(A)$ is the column space right?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Siong Thye Goh
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                    • $begingroup$
                      Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
                      $endgroup$
                      – Adam
                      yesterday






                    • 1




                      $begingroup$
                      I have included an explaination of why $0_m in C(A)$.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Siong Thye Goh
                      yesterday
















                    • $begingroup$
                      How do I know that 0 is in C(A)?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Adam
                      yesterday











                    • $begingroup$
                      $C(A)$ is the column space right?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Siong Thye Goh
                      yesterday










                    • $begingroup$
                      Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
                      $endgroup$
                      – Adam
                      yesterday






                    • 1




                      $begingroup$
                      I have included an explaination of why $0_m in C(A)$.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Siong Thye Goh
                      yesterday















                    $begingroup$
                    How do I know that 0 is in C(A)?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Adam
                    yesterday





                    $begingroup$
                    How do I know that 0 is in C(A)?
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                    – Adam
                    yesterday













                    $begingroup$
                    $C(A)$ is the column space right?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Siong Thye Goh
                    yesterday




                    $begingroup$
                    $C(A)$ is the column space right?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Siong Thye Goh
                    yesterday












                    $begingroup$
                    Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
                    $endgroup$
                    – Adam
                    yesterday




                    $begingroup$
                    Correct. I am new to linear algebra and am trying to understand the definitions Column space, null space, subspace, etc...Perhaps I am not understanding the proper definition of column space
                    $endgroup$
                    – Adam
                    yesterday




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