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Can a Valor bard Ready a bard spell, then use the Battle Magic feature to make a weapon attack before releasing the spell?
What does upper-case-A-Attack action vs. lower-case-a-attack mean?Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?How long can a readied spell be held before it's lost?Can an Eldritch Knight use the bonus-action attack granted by War Magic before casting the spell as an action?Can a Bard use the double created by Mislead to perform?Use Magic Weapon Spell to Make a Warlock Pact Weapon?multi sweeping hitCan a Shadow Weapon be used as Sword College bard’s spellcasting focus?Is it balanced to allow a Divine Soul Sorcerer to swap out Empowered Healing for Extra Attack?Can a Lore bard use Cutting Words against the attack roll/ability check of a sorcerer's Subtle spell?If a character can use a +X magic weapon as a spellcasting focus, does it add the bonus to spell attacks or spell save DCs?What is unbalanced about this homebrew College of the Storm bard subclass?
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College of Valor bards (PHB, p. 55) get the Battle Magic feature at 14th level:
You have mastered the art of weaving spellcasting and weapon use into a single harmonious act. When you use your action to cast a bard spell, you can make one weapon attack as a bonus action.
Can a Valor Bard Ready a Bard action spell (cast it but hold its power), use Battle Magic to make a weapon attack as a bonus action, and then release their spell?
Here is my use-case example:
Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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College of Valor bards (PHB, p. 55) get the Battle Magic feature at 14th level:
You have mastered the art of weaving spellcasting and weapon use into a single harmonious act. When you use your action to cast a bard spell, you can make one weapon attack as a bonus action.
Can a Valor Bard Ready a Bard action spell (cast it but hold its power), use Battle Magic to make a weapon attack as a bonus action, and then release their spell?
Here is my use-case example:
Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
dnd-5e spells class-feature bard readied-action
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Are you asking if you can ready the action in 1 turn and then the next turn, make a weapon attack and then release it? Or, in the same single turn, cast the spell, ready it, make a weapon attack (as a bonus action) and then attack with the spell (as your action)?
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Second option (do it all in one go, just change the order of operations by Readying the spell).
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This question totally deserves to exist without needing any further information, but for my own curiosity I'm asking: do you have a particular use in mind for this? I'm curious what spells would be better used after you hit someone rather than before.
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May 2 at 16:40
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Oh, and one actual clarification question: do you intend for the trigger of your Readied spell to be your attack? Or are you asking if you can Ready the spell, attack with the bonus action, then have the spell go off later in reaction to some other trigger (e.g. "I will release this spell when he leaves my reach")?
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@Gandalfmeansme The use case I thought about (which made me ask the question) is to Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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College of Valor bards (PHB, p. 55) get the Battle Magic feature at 14th level:
You have mastered the art of weaving spellcasting and weapon use into a single harmonious act. When you use your action to cast a bard spell, you can make one weapon attack as a bonus action.
Can a Valor Bard Ready a Bard action spell (cast it but hold its power), use Battle Magic to make a weapon attack as a bonus action, and then release their spell?
Here is my use-case example:
Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
dnd-5e spells class-feature bard readied-action
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College of Valor bards (PHB, p. 55) get the Battle Magic feature at 14th level:
You have mastered the art of weaving spellcasting and weapon use into a single harmonious act. When you use your action to cast a bard spell, you can make one weapon attack as a bonus action.
Can a Valor Bard Ready a Bard action spell (cast it but hold its power), use Battle Magic to make a weapon attack as a bonus action, and then release their spell?
Here is my use-case example:
Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
dnd-5e spells class-feature bard readied-action
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Are you asking if you can ready the action in 1 turn and then the next turn, make a weapon attack and then release it? Or, in the same single turn, cast the spell, ready it, make a weapon attack (as a bonus action) and then attack with the spell (as your action)?
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– Xalbek
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Second option (do it all in one go, just change the order of operations by Readying the spell).
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– Gael L
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This question totally deserves to exist without needing any further information, but for my own curiosity I'm asking: do you have a particular use in mind for this? I'm curious what spells would be better used after you hit someone rather than before.
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– Gandalfmeansme
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Oh, and one actual clarification question: do you intend for the trigger of your Readied spell to be your attack? Or are you asking if you can Ready the spell, attack with the bonus action, then have the spell go off later in reaction to some other trigger (e.g. "I will release this spell when he leaves my reach")?
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@Gandalfmeansme The use case I thought about (which made me ask the question) is to Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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Are you asking if you can ready the action in 1 turn and then the next turn, make a weapon attack and then release it? Or, in the same single turn, cast the spell, ready it, make a weapon attack (as a bonus action) and then attack with the spell (as your action)?
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– Xalbek
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Second option (do it all in one go, just change the order of operations by Readying the spell).
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– Gael L
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This question totally deserves to exist without needing any further information, but for my own curiosity I'm asking: do you have a particular use in mind for this? I'm curious what spells would be better used after you hit someone rather than before.
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:40
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Oh, and one actual clarification question: do you intend for the trigger of your Readied spell to be your attack? Or are you asking if you can Ready the spell, attack with the bonus action, then have the spell go off later in reaction to some other trigger (e.g. "I will release this spell when he leaves my reach")?
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@Gandalfmeansme The use case I thought about (which made me ask the question) is to Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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– Gael L
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Are you asking if you can ready the action in 1 turn and then the next turn, make a weapon attack and then release it? Or, in the same single turn, cast the spell, ready it, make a weapon attack (as a bonus action) and then attack with the spell (as your action)?
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– Xalbek
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Are you asking if you can ready the action in 1 turn and then the next turn, make a weapon attack and then release it? Or, in the same single turn, cast the spell, ready it, make a weapon attack (as a bonus action) and then attack with the spell (as your action)?
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– Xalbek
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Second option (do it all in one go, just change the order of operations by Readying the spell).
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– Gael L
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Second option (do it all in one go, just change the order of operations by Readying the spell).
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– Gael L
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This question totally deserves to exist without needing any further information, but for my own curiosity I'm asking: do you have a particular use in mind for this? I'm curious what spells would be better used after you hit someone rather than before.
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:40
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This question totally deserves to exist without needing any further information, but for my own curiosity I'm asking: do you have a particular use in mind for this? I'm curious what spells would be better used after you hit someone rather than before.
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:40
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Oh, and one actual clarification question: do you intend for the trigger of your Readied spell to be your attack? Or are you asking if you can Ready the spell, attack with the bonus action, then have the spell go off later in reaction to some other trigger (e.g. "I will release this spell when he leaves my reach")?
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:42
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Oh, and one actual clarification question: do you intend for the trigger of your Readied spell to be your attack? Or are you asking if you can Ready the spell, attack with the bonus action, then have the spell go off later in reaction to some other trigger (e.g. "I will release this spell when he leaves my reach")?
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– Gandalfmeansme
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@Gandalfmeansme The use case I thought about (which made me ask the question) is to Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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– Gael L
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@Gandalfmeansme The use case I thought about (which made me ask the question) is to Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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Yes.
The Ready action specifies that
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
So when you take the Ready action to ready a spell, you have, in fact, used your action to cast a bard spell. You have "cast the spell as normal," RAW. This seems to fulfill the requirements for the bonus action weapon attack: you have used your action to cast the spell. (I might read it differently if it said "if you cast a bard spell as an action.")
This presumes that you are readying the spell to be cast sometime after your weapon attack but before your next turn.
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– NautArch
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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Unlikely because the Action wasn't to cast a spell. But a DM could rule otherwise.
This spends your turn's Action using Ready. You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
To do so, you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn...
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
In this interpretation, you are still casting a spell with your action, but doing so via Ready. It's off the rails, but only slightly, but I think it's up to a DM because of it...
Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready.
Without crossing that gate, you can't use battle magic.
The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement.
Ready a spell vs cast a spell
The specific difference, for me, is that you are using you're action to Ready. The spellcasting and ready rule requires that you cast to hold with the risk of losing it. But the language is still use an action to Ready. This differs from the language of magical items, such as the Staff of Power which specifically states:
...you can use an action to expend 1 or more of its charges to cast one of the following spells...
In this use of a magic item, you are explicitly casting a spell. With ready, you are readying a spell, not casting a spell. It's a minor difference, but I think this answer hinges on it.
But I don't think it's on the most solid footing, so...
A DM could consider this as casting a spell...because it works without it and has low impact overall.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow this. This seems like a capital A attack vs lower case a attack issue and the quote doesn't capitalize "cast a spell."
However, I'm not really sure why you'd want/need to do this as you could just Cast a spell and then use your Bonus Action for Battlemagic attack. You'll have released the spell because you've cast and still gotten your bonus action attack.
If there was a scenario where you want to land the spell after, I'd discuss it with the DM to see if it's a reasonable method and if they're okay with it once or if they are creating an exemption as something you plan on using a lot.
With your particular use case, I'd probably allow this. You're using high-cost resources for low-output attack with the net. There's nothing that really breaks here, it's a neat sequence, and you've burned resources (a 4th level spell slot and lost a net.)
A further note on Bonus Actions and timing
In general, I'm not a huge stickler for order of operations at the table. While I think that the intent is that you use Cast a Spell and not just "cast a spell" in order to trigger the Bonus Action, I don't think that sticking hard to that rule is doing anyone any favors. I've played at tables where we've allowed Shield Masters to take their bonus action first and I think it's just fine. This is a similar case where I'd have no real issue with allowing the Bonus Action attack followed by the Cast a Spell action - especially if it means bypassing mental gymnastics to approve the turn.
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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No, because the Action wasn't to cast a spell, and you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action
From PHB 189 (emphasis mine):
You can take only one bonus action on your turn, so you must choose which bonus action to use when you have more than one available. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take actions also prevents you from taking a bonus action.
From PHB 193 (emphasis mine):
When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger. Remember that you can take only one
reaction per round.
Since you can only Ready a single action, you can't Ready a bonus action as well as an action, and you can't Ready a bonus action.
You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
Take an action (on your turn; even the Ready action does this - on your turn you choose to do an action with your reaction on a trigger)
Take a bonus action if available (on your turn unless the bonus action says otherwise).
Take a reaction (on someone else's turn).
You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
From PHB 55 (emphasis mine):
When you use your action to cast a bard spell
Only after that may you use your Battle Magic.
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
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That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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Yes.
The Ready action specifies that
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
So when you take the Ready action to ready a spell, you have, in fact, used your action to cast a bard spell. You have "cast the spell as normal," RAW. This seems to fulfill the requirements for the bonus action weapon attack: you have used your action to cast the spell. (I might read it differently if it said "if you cast a bard spell as an action.")
This presumes that you are readying the spell to be cast sometime after your weapon attack but before your next turn.
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– NautArch
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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– Roland Heath
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Yes.
The Ready action specifies that
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
So when you take the Ready action to ready a spell, you have, in fact, used your action to cast a bard spell. You have "cast the spell as normal," RAW. This seems to fulfill the requirements for the bonus action weapon attack: you have used your action to cast the spell. (I might read it differently if it said "if you cast a bard spell as an action.")
This presumes that you are readying the spell to be cast sometime after your weapon attack but before your next turn.
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– NautArch
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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– Roland Heath
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Yes.
The Ready action specifies that
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
So when you take the Ready action to ready a spell, you have, in fact, used your action to cast a bard spell. You have "cast the spell as normal," RAW. This seems to fulfill the requirements for the bonus action weapon attack: you have used your action to cast the spell. (I might read it differently if it said "if you cast a bard spell as an action.")
This presumes that you are readying the spell to be cast sometime after your weapon attack but before your next turn.
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Yes.
The Ready action specifies that
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
So when you take the Ready action to ready a spell, you have, in fact, used your action to cast a bard spell. You have "cast the spell as normal," RAW. This seems to fulfill the requirements for the bonus action weapon attack: you have used your action to cast the spell. (I might read it differently if it said "if you cast a bard spell as an action.")
This presumes that you are readying the spell to be cast sometime after your weapon attack but before your next turn.
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– NautArch
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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– NautArch
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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– Roland Heath
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Don't forget to cite and/or link your sources!
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– NautArch
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Don't forget to cite and/or link your sources!
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– NautArch
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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It might be worth mentioning, this could run into issues if you use battle magic to cast a spell requiring concentration.
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Unlikely because the Action wasn't to cast a spell. But a DM could rule otherwise.
This spends your turn's Action using Ready. You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
To do so, you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn...
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
In this interpretation, you are still casting a spell with your action, but doing so via Ready. It's off the rails, but only slightly, but I think it's up to a DM because of it...
Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready.
Without crossing that gate, you can't use battle magic.
The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement.
Ready a spell vs cast a spell
The specific difference, for me, is that you are using you're action to Ready. The spellcasting and ready rule requires that you cast to hold with the risk of losing it. But the language is still use an action to Ready. This differs from the language of magical items, such as the Staff of Power which specifically states:
...you can use an action to expend 1 or more of its charges to cast one of the following spells...
In this use of a magic item, you are explicitly casting a spell. With ready, you are readying a spell, not casting a spell. It's a minor difference, but I think this answer hinges on it.
But I don't think it's on the most solid footing, so...
A DM could consider this as casting a spell...because it works without it and has low impact overall.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow this. This seems like a capital A attack vs lower case a attack issue and the quote doesn't capitalize "cast a spell."
However, I'm not really sure why you'd want/need to do this as you could just Cast a spell and then use your Bonus Action for Battlemagic attack. You'll have released the spell because you've cast and still gotten your bonus action attack.
If there was a scenario where you want to land the spell after, I'd discuss it with the DM to see if it's a reasonable method and if they're okay with it once or if they are creating an exemption as something you plan on using a lot.
With your particular use case, I'd probably allow this. You're using high-cost resources for low-output attack with the net. There's nothing that really breaks here, it's a neat sequence, and you've burned resources (a 4th level spell slot and lost a net.)
A further note on Bonus Actions and timing
In general, I'm not a huge stickler for order of operations at the table. While I think that the intent is that you use Cast a Spell and not just "cast a spell" in order to trigger the Bonus Action, I don't think that sticking hard to that rule is doing anyone any favors. I've played at tables where we've allowed Shield Masters to take their bonus action first and I think it's just fine. This is a similar case where I'd have no real issue with allowing the Bonus Action attack followed by the Cast a Spell action - especially if it means bypassing mental gymnastics to approve the turn.
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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Unlikely because the Action wasn't to cast a spell. But a DM could rule otherwise.
This spends your turn's Action using Ready. You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
To do so, you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn...
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
In this interpretation, you are still casting a spell with your action, but doing so via Ready. It's off the rails, but only slightly, but I think it's up to a DM because of it...
Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready.
Without crossing that gate, you can't use battle magic.
The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement.
Ready a spell vs cast a spell
The specific difference, for me, is that you are using you're action to Ready. The spellcasting and ready rule requires that you cast to hold with the risk of losing it. But the language is still use an action to Ready. This differs from the language of magical items, such as the Staff of Power which specifically states:
...you can use an action to expend 1 or more of its charges to cast one of the following spells...
In this use of a magic item, you are explicitly casting a spell. With ready, you are readying a spell, not casting a spell. It's a minor difference, but I think this answer hinges on it.
But I don't think it's on the most solid footing, so...
A DM could consider this as casting a spell...because it works without it and has low impact overall.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow this. This seems like a capital A attack vs lower case a attack issue and the quote doesn't capitalize "cast a spell."
However, I'm not really sure why you'd want/need to do this as you could just Cast a spell and then use your Bonus Action for Battlemagic attack. You'll have released the spell because you've cast and still gotten your bonus action attack.
If there was a scenario where you want to land the spell after, I'd discuss it with the DM to see if it's a reasonable method and if they're okay with it once or if they are creating an exemption as something you plan on using a lot.
With your particular use case, I'd probably allow this. You're using high-cost resources for low-output attack with the net. There's nothing that really breaks here, it's a neat sequence, and you've burned resources (a 4th level spell slot and lost a net.)
A further note on Bonus Actions and timing
In general, I'm not a huge stickler for order of operations at the table. While I think that the intent is that you use Cast a Spell and not just "cast a spell" in order to trigger the Bonus Action, I don't think that sticking hard to that rule is doing anyone any favors. I've played at tables where we've allowed Shield Masters to take their bonus action first and I think it's just fine. This is a similar case where I'd have no real issue with allowing the Bonus Action attack followed by the Cast a Spell action - especially if it means bypassing mental gymnastics to approve the turn.
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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– Gandalfmeansme
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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Unlikely because the Action wasn't to cast a spell. But a DM could rule otherwise.
This spends your turn's Action using Ready. You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
To do so, you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn...
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
In this interpretation, you are still casting a spell with your action, but doing so via Ready. It's off the rails, but only slightly, but I think it's up to a DM because of it...
Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready.
Without crossing that gate, you can't use battle magic.
The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement.
Ready a spell vs cast a spell
The specific difference, for me, is that you are using you're action to Ready. The spellcasting and ready rule requires that you cast to hold with the risk of losing it. But the language is still use an action to Ready. This differs from the language of magical items, such as the Staff of Power which specifically states:
...you can use an action to expend 1 or more of its charges to cast one of the following spells...
In this use of a magic item, you are explicitly casting a spell. With ready, you are readying a spell, not casting a spell. It's a minor difference, but I think this answer hinges on it.
But I don't think it's on the most solid footing, so...
A DM could consider this as casting a spell...because it works without it and has low impact overall.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow this. This seems like a capital A attack vs lower case a attack issue and the quote doesn't capitalize "cast a spell."
However, I'm not really sure why you'd want/need to do this as you could just Cast a spell and then use your Bonus Action for Battlemagic attack. You'll have released the spell because you've cast and still gotten your bonus action attack.
If there was a scenario where you want to land the spell after, I'd discuss it with the DM to see if it's a reasonable method and if they're okay with it once or if they are creating an exemption as something you plan on using a lot.
With your particular use case, I'd probably allow this. You're using high-cost resources for low-output attack with the net. There's nothing that really breaks here, it's a neat sequence, and you've burned resources (a 4th level spell slot and lost a net.)
A further note on Bonus Actions and timing
In general, I'm not a huge stickler for order of operations at the table. While I think that the intent is that you use Cast a Spell and not just "cast a spell" in order to trigger the Bonus Action, I don't think that sticking hard to that rule is doing anyone any favors. I've played at tables where we've allowed Shield Masters to take their bonus action first and I think it's just fine. This is a similar case where I'd have no real issue with allowing the Bonus Action attack followed by the Cast a Spell action - especially if it means bypassing mental gymnastics to approve the turn.
answered May 2 at 16:44
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Unlikely because the Action wasn't to cast a spell. But a DM could rule otherwise.
This spends your turn's Action using Ready. You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
To do so, you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn...
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.
In this interpretation, you are still casting a spell with your action, but doing so via Ready. It's off the rails, but only slightly, but I think it's up to a DM because of it...
Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready.
Without crossing that gate, you can't use battle magic.
The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement.
Ready a spell vs cast a spell
The specific difference, for me, is that you are using you're action to Ready. The spellcasting and ready rule requires that you cast to hold with the risk of losing it. But the language is still use an action to Ready. This differs from the language of magical items, such as the Staff of Power which specifically states:
...you can use an action to expend 1 or more of its charges to cast one of the following spells...
In this use of a magic item, you are explicitly casting a spell. With ready, you are readying a spell, not casting a spell. It's a minor difference, but I think this answer hinges on it.
But I don't think it's on the most solid footing, so...
A DM could consider this as casting a spell...because it works without it and has low impact overall.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow this. This seems like a capital A attack vs lower case a attack issue and the quote doesn't capitalize "cast a spell."
However, I'm not really sure why you'd want/need to do this as you could just Cast a spell and then use your Bonus Action for Battlemagic attack. You'll have released the spell because you've cast and still gotten your bonus action attack.
If there was a scenario where you want to land the spell after, I'd discuss it with the DM to see if it's a reasonable method and if they're okay with it once or if they are creating an exemption as something you plan on using a lot.
With your particular use case, I'd probably allow this. You're using high-cost resources for low-output attack with the net. There's nothing that really breaks here, it's a neat sequence, and you've burned resources (a 4th level spell slot and lost a net.)
A further note on Bonus Actions and timing
In general, I'm not a huge stickler for order of operations at the table. While I think that the intent is that you use Cast a Spell and not just "cast a spell" in order to trigger the Bonus Action, I don't think that sticking hard to that rule is doing anyone any favors. I've played at tables where we've allowed Shield Masters to take their bonus action first and I think it's just fine. This is a similar case where I'd have no real issue with allowing the Bonus Action attack followed by the Cast a Spell action - especially if it means bypassing mental gymnastics to approve the turn.
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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– Gandalfmeansme
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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– Gandalfmeansme
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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– NautArch
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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– Seidr
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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– Gandalfmeansme
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How does this relate to the text quoted by Louis Wasserman which states that "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs" (PHB, p. 193)? Doesn't that suggest that using an action to Ready a spell involves casting that spell with said action (but not unleashing it)?
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– Gandalfmeansme
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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– NautArch
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@Gandalfmeansme Just added detail to address that :)
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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"Because you haven't used the Cast a Spell action, you haven't crossed the gate of spending an Action to cast a spell. You've spent an action to Ready." -The ability doesn't state "when you use the Cast a Spell action", just an action that results in the casting of a spell is used, which the Ready action specifically states that the spell is cast.
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@NautArch You address it by saying a DM could allow it, but it still seems that your reading of it is fundamentally wrong. "The question is does casting a spell mean completing it or just the cast and energy holding. If you didn't actually use the Cast a Spell, you haven't completed the casting by releasing it. It's unclear as to whether or not you have fulfilled the Battlemagic requirement." -The Ready action casts the spell as normal, full stop. A spell has been cast. The Battle Magic requirements are met.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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@Seidr I get it - you disagree. That's totally fine and there's another answer for you to upvote. Not gonna argue it more. I did hedge my bets with "unlikely", but I feel like Use Action to cast a spell is in reference to Cast a Spell.
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No, because the Action wasn't to cast a spell, and you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action
From PHB 189 (emphasis mine):
You can take only one bonus action on your turn, so you must choose which bonus action to use when you have more than one available. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take actions also prevents you from taking a bonus action.
From PHB 193 (emphasis mine):
When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger. Remember that you can take only one
reaction per round.
Since you can only Ready a single action, you can't Ready a bonus action as well as an action, and you can't Ready a bonus action.
You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
Take an action (on your turn; even the Ready action does this - on your turn you choose to do an action with your reaction on a trigger)
Take a bonus action if available (on your turn unless the bonus action says otherwise).
Take a reaction (on someone else's turn).
You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
From PHB 55 (emphasis mine):
When you use your action to cast a bard spell
Only after that may you use your Battle Magic.
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:47
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That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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No, because the Action wasn't to cast a spell, and you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action
From PHB 189 (emphasis mine):
You can take only one bonus action on your turn, so you must choose which bonus action to use when you have more than one available. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take actions also prevents you from taking a bonus action.
From PHB 193 (emphasis mine):
When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger. Remember that you can take only one
reaction per round.
Since you can only Ready a single action, you can't Ready a bonus action as well as an action, and you can't Ready a bonus action.
You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
Take an action (on your turn; even the Ready action does this - on your turn you choose to do an action with your reaction on a trigger)
Take a bonus action if available (on your turn unless the bonus action says otherwise).
Take a reaction (on someone else's turn).
You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
From PHB 55 (emphasis mine):
When you use your action to cast a bard spell
Only after that may you use your Battle Magic.
answered May 2 at 16:32
AkixkisuAkixkisu
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
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– Sdjz
May 2 at 16:35
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:37
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:45
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:47
3
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That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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– Gandalfmeansme
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No, because the Action wasn't to cast a spell, and you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action
From PHB 189 (emphasis mine):
You can take only one bonus action on your turn, so you must choose which bonus action to use when you have more than one available. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take actions also prevents you from taking a bonus action.
From PHB 193 (emphasis mine):
When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger. Remember that you can take only one
reaction per round.
Since you can only Ready a single action, you can't Ready a bonus action as well as an action, and you can't Ready a bonus action.
You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
Take an action (on your turn; even the Ready action does this - on your turn you choose to do an action with your reaction on a trigger)
Take a bonus action if available (on your turn unless the bonus action says otherwise).
Take a reaction (on someone else's turn).
You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
From PHB 55 (emphasis mine):
When you use your action to cast a bard spell
Only after that may you use your Battle Magic.
answered May 2 at 16:32
AkixkisuAkixkisu
1,688226
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No, because the Action wasn't to cast a spell, and you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action
From PHB 189 (emphasis mine):
You can take only one bonus action on your turn, so you must choose which bonus action to use when you have more than one available. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take actions also prevents you from taking a bonus action.
From PHB 193 (emphasis mine):
When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger. Remember that you can take only one
reaction per round.
Since you can only Ready a single action, you can't Ready a bonus action as well as an action, and you can't Ready a bonus action.
You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
Take an action (on your turn; even the Ready action does this - on your turn you choose to do an action with your reaction on a trigger)
Take a bonus action if available (on your turn unless the bonus action says otherwise).
Take a reaction (on someone else's turn).
You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
From PHB 55 (emphasis mine):
When you use your action to cast a bard spell
Only after that may you use your Battle Magic.
answered May 2 at 16:32
AkixkisuAkixkisu
1,688226
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answered May 2 at 16:32
AkixkisuAkixkisu
1,688226
answered May 2 at 16:32
AkixkisuAkixkisu
1,688226
answered May 2 at 16:32
AkixkisuAkixkisu
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
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– Sdjz
May 2 at 16:35
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:37
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:45
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:47
3
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That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:51
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
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– Sdjz
May 2 at 16:35
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:37
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:45
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
$endgroup$
– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:47
3
$begingroup$
That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:51
1
1
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
May 2 at 16:35
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I think this answer misunderstands the question. No bonus action is attempting to be readied. OP wants to ready a normal action spell and is asking if readying the spell is enough to allow them to make the battle magic attack as a bonus action.
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– Sdjz
May 2 at 16:35
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:37
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You can take only one bonus action on your turn. You can take only one reaction per round. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn.
$endgroup$
– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:37
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:45
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@Akixkisu I'm still not sure if we're on the same page about this. I think what Sdjz was suggesting is that the question wants to know of you can do the following steps in the following order: 1.) Ready a spell with an Action (on your turn), 2.) Make a Battle Magic attack with a bonus action (still on your same turn), 3.) Release the spell with a Reaction (possibly on your turn, possibly later depending on the trigger).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:45
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
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– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:47
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You are using this to cast a spell, but you haven't actually used the Cast a Spell action. You have used the Ready action.
$endgroup$
– Akixkisu
May 2 at 16:47
3
3
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That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:51
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That's an interesting perspective, and deserves to be part of your answer! But you should also add text supporting the idea that you need to have used the "Cast a Spell" action to use the Battle Magic feature. (Right now, the text the OP quotes indicates you need to "use your action to cast a bard spell" (PHB, p. 55), which is not quite the same requirement).
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:51
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Are you asking if you can ready the action in 1 turn and then the next turn, make a weapon attack and then release it? Or, in the same single turn, cast the spell, ready it, make a weapon attack (as a bonus action) and then attack with the spell (as your action)?
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– Xalbek
May 2 at 16:23
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Second option (do it all in one go, just change the order of operations by Readying the spell).
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– Gael L
May 2 at 16:34
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This question totally deserves to exist without needing any further information, but for my own curiosity I'm asking: do you have a particular use in mind for this? I'm curious what spells would be better used after you hit someone rather than before.
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:40
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Oh, and one actual clarification question: do you intend for the trigger of your Readied spell to be your attack? Or are you asking if you can Ready the spell, attack with the bonus action, then have the spell go off later in reaction to some other trigger (e.g. "I will release this spell when he leaves my reach")?
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– Gandalfmeansme
May 2 at 16:42
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@Gandalfmeansme The use case I thought about (which made me ask the question) is to Ready a Dimension door, throw a net (which requires you to be relatively close to the target), then release the spell to get far away. In this case, the trigger would be “as soon as the attack has been made”.
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– Gael L
May 2 at 17:00