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If I arrive in the UK, and then head to mainland Europe, does my Schengen visa 90 day limit start when I arrived in the UK, or mainland Europe?


What does “copy of itinerary” mean when applying for a Schengen visa?American Allowance in Schengen Area vs Having a Schengen Visa in Schengen areaFor which countries does tourist visa apply after the end of a long-stay visa in Schengen countries?Can I apply to France for a Schengen visa when I'd be there a half day more than other countries?If I got a US visa refusal, would my passport get stamped?Dual Citizenship Travel in Europe For Extended StayRenew/Extend Seaman's Schengen visaValidity of the Schengen visa when having a residence sticker in the passport (The Netherlands)Does the Schengen Visa (short stay) application for France really require a fully prepaid accommodation? Too much inconsistent information onlineTravel before start of an Italian long-term (Type D) visa and the 90/180 rule following its expiration






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As the UK is technically still a member of the EU, I just wanted to be sure of this before booking travel arrangements.



The idea is to arrive in the UK and stay there for 2-4 weeks, and then afterwards relocate to and stay in mainland Europe for another 80-90 days. Is this possible? Or would I be effectively limited to 70 days in the EU after staying for example 20 days in the UK?










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    The UK has never been part of the Schengen area.

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    Side note: please check whether you need a visa for the UK as well, as your Schengen visa will not cover entry to the UK.

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    The trick here is that there's nothing governing your time in the EU. The Schengen area and the UK are separate immigration territories, and their time constraints for visitors are reckoned separately.

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    it starts when you arrive in the Schengen Area...

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As the UK is technically still a member of the EU, I just wanted to be sure of this before booking travel arrangements.



The idea is to arrive in the UK and stay there for 2-4 weeks, and then afterwards relocate to and stay in mainland Europe for another 80-90 days. Is this possible? Or would I be effectively limited to 70 days in the EU after staying for example 20 days in the UK?










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    The UK has never been part of the Schengen area.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 17:59






  • 24





    Side note: please check whether you need a visa for the UK as well, as your Schengen visa will not cover entry to the UK.

    – stefan
    May 19 at 19:26






  • 5





    The trick here is that there's nothing governing your time in the EU. The Schengen area and the UK are separate immigration territories, and their time constraints for visitors are reckoned separately.

    – phoog
    May 19 at 23:05






  • 1





    it starts when you arrive in the Schengen Area...

    – Emobe
    May 20 at 11:51











  • @MichaelHampton Isn't that implied by the question? If the UK was in Schengen, then this question wouldn't be applicable.

    – JBentley
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As the UK is technically still a member of the EU, I just wanted to be sure of this before booking travel arrangements.



The idea is to arrive in the UK and stay there for 2-4 weeks, and then afterwards relocate to and stay in mainland Europe for another 80-90 days. Is this possible? Or would I be effectively limited to 70 days in the EU after staying for example 20 days in the UK?










share|improve this question
















As the UK is technically still a member of the EU, I just wanted to be sure of this before booking travel arrangements.



The idea is to arrive in the UK and stay there for 2-4 weeks, and then afterwards relocate to and stay in mainland Europe for another 80-90 days. Is this possible? Or would I be effectively limited to 70 days in the EU after staying for example 20 days in the UK?







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    The UK has never been part of the Schengen area.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 17:59






  • 24





    Side note: please check whether you need a visa for the UK as well, as your Schengen visa will not cover entry to the UK.

    – stefan
    May 19 at 19:26






  • 5





    The trick here is that there's nothing governing your time in the EU. The Schengen area and the UK are separate immigration territories, and their time constraints for visitors are reckoned separately.

    – phoog
    May 19 at 23:05






  • 1





    it starts when you arrive in the Schengen Area...

    – Emobe
    May 20 at 11:51











  • @MichaelHampton Isn't that implied by the question? If the UK was in Schengen, then this question wouldn't be applicable.

    – JBentley
    May 21 at 10:20













  • 14





    The UK has never been part of the Schengen area.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 17:59






  • 24





    Side note: please check whether you need a visa for the UK as well, as your Schengen visa will not cover entry to the UK.

    – stefan
    May 19 at 19:26






  • 5





    The trick here is that there's nothing governing your time in the EU. The Schengen area and the UK are separate immigration territories, and their time constraints for visitors are reckoned separately.

    – phoog
    May 19 at 23:05






  • 1





    it starts when you arrive in the Schengen Area...

    – Emobe
    May 20 at 11:51











  • @MichaelHampton Isn't that implied by the question? If the UK was in Schengen, then this question wouldn't be applicable.

    – JBentley
    May 21 at 10:20








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The UK has never been part of the Schengen area.

– Michael Hampton
May 19 at 17:59





The UK has never been part of the Schengen area.

– Michael Hampton
May 19 at 17:59




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Side note: please check whether you need a visa for the UK as well, as your Schengen visa will not cover entry to the UK.

– stefan
May 19 at 19:26





Side note: please check whether you need a visa for the UK as well, as your Schengen visa will not cover entry to the UK.

– stefan
May 19 at 19:26




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5





The trick here is that there's nothing governing your time in the EU. The Schengen area and the UK are separate immigration territories, and their time constraints for visitors are reckoned separately.

– phoog
May 19 at 23:05





The trick here is that there's nothing governing your time in the EU. The Schengen area and the UK are separate immigration territories, and their time constraints for visitors are reckoned separately.

– phoog
May 19 at 23:05




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it starts when you arrive in the Schengen Area...

– Emobe
May 20 at 11:51





it starts when you arrive in the Schengen Area...

– Emobe
May 20 at 11:51













@MichaelHampton Isn't that implied by the question? If the UK was in Schengen, then this question wouldn't be applicable.

– JBentley
May 21 at 10:20






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The 90 day clock starts when you arrive in mainland Europe.



The UK isn't in the Schengen Area, so your time there has no effect on your Schengen time limit.



It's worth noting that the EU and Schengen Area, while related, are different things: several countries (UK, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Croatia) are in the EU but not Schengen, while some (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland) are in Schengen but not the EU.






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    i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

    – chx
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    @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

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    @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

    – BritishSam
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    I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

    – BritishSam
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    "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

    – phoog
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Your stay in the U.K. does not count towards your Schengen stay limits. They are completely separate visa regimes.



Even if you stay for a whole 6 months in the U.K., it still is 0 days in the Schengen area.



Your proposed plan is perfectly fine. Your 90 day Schengen limit will start when you enter the Schengen zone, not when you enter the U.K.






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    The 90 day clock starts when you arrive in mainland Europe.



    The UK isn't in the Schengen Area, so your time there has no effect on your Schengen time limit.



    It's worth noting that the EU and Schengen Area, while related, are different things: several countries (UK, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Croatia) are in the EU but not Schengen, while some (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland) are in Schengen but not the EU.






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      i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

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      @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

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      @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

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      I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 9:02






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      "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

      – phoog
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    The 90 day clock starts when you arrive in mainland Europe.



    The UK isn't in the Schengen Area, so your time there has no effect on your Schengen time limit.



    It's worth noting that the EU and Schengen Area, while related, are different things: several countries (UK, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Croatia) are in the EU but not Schengen, while some (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland) are in Schengen but not the EU.






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      i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

      – chx
      May 20 at 4:48







    • 1





      @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

      – idmean
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      @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 7:20






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      I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 9:02






    • 6





      "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

      – phoog
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    The 90 day clock starts when you arrive in mainland Europe.



    The UK isn't in the Schengen Area, so your time there has no effect on your Schengen time limit.



    It's worth noting that the EU and Schengen Area, while related, are different things: several countries (UK, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Croatia) are in the EU but not Schengen, while some (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland) are in Schengen but not the EU.






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    The 90 day clock starts when you arrive in mainland Europe.



    The UK isn't in the Schengen Area, so your time there has no effect on your Schengen time limit.



    It's worth noting that the EU and Schengen Area, while related, are different things: several countries (UK, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Croatia) are in the EU but not Schengen, while some (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland) are in Schengen but not the EU.







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      i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

      – chx
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      @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

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    • 2





      @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 7:20






    • 2





      I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 9:02






    • 6





      "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

      – phoog
      May 20 at 15:12












    • 3





      i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

      – chx
      May 20 at 4:48







    • 1





      @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

      – idmean
      May 20 at 6:59






    • 2





      @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 7:20






    • 2





      I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

      – BritishSam
      May 20 at 9:02






    • 6





      "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

      – phoog
      May 20 at 15:12







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    i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

    – chx
    May 20 at 4:48






    i2.wp.com/craphound.com/images/… is helpful to see the many different relations. (It does not show the Common Travel Area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Island which is just as well because there's not a soul alive who'd know what happens to the CTA after Brexit. If there's a Brexit.)

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    @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

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    @chx This graphic appear to be out-of-date, since Liechtenstein is a member of the Schengen Area.

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    @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

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    @chx Irish and British governments have already said the CTA will stay after brexit...

    – BritishSam
    May 20 at 7:20




    2




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    I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

    – BritishSam
    May 20 at 9:02





    I said Irish government too not just British @MSalters. Irish and British citizens hold more rights in each others countries that EU citizens, the CTA goes back before EU treaties. Its nothing to do with being in the EU or not.

    – BritishSam
    May 20 at 9:02




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    "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

    – phoog
    May 20 at 15:12





    "in mainland Europe" is imprecise. It really should be "in the Schengen area." Some counterexamples are Iceland, Azores, etc. (Schengen area, not mainland) and Bosnia, Croatia, etc. (mainland, not Schengen area).

    – phoog
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    Your stay in the U.K. does not count towards your Schengen stay limits. They are completely separate visa regimes.



    Even if you stay for a whole 6 months in the U.K., it still is 0 days in the Schengen area.



    Your proposed plan is perfectly fine. Your 90 day Schengen limit will start when you enter the Schengen zone, not when you enter the U.K.






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      Your stay in the U.K. does not count towards your Schengen stay limits. They are completely separate visa regimes.



      Even if you stay for a whole 6 months in the U.K., it still is 0 days in the Schengen area.



      Your proposed plan is perfectly fine. Your 90 day Schengen limit will start when you enter the Schengen zone, not when you enter the U.K.






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        Your stay in the U.K. does not count towards your Schengen stay limits. They are completely separate visa regimes.



        Even if you stay for a whole 6 months in the U.K., it still is 0 days in the Schengen area.



        Your proposed plan is perfectly fine. Your 90 day Schengen limit will start when you enter the Schengen zone, not when you enter the U.K.






        share|improve this answer















        Your stay in the U.K. does not count towards your Schengen stay limits. They are completely separate visa regimes.



        Even if you stay for a whole 6 months in the U.K., it still is 0 days in the Schengen area.



        Your proposed plan is perfectly fine. Your 90 day Schengen limit will start when you enter the Schengen zone, not when you enter the U.K.







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