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Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What is this weird plane?What aircraft is this?What type/model of plane is this?What is this plane?What are these small jets and large propeller aircraft flying in formation?What happened to this airplane at Lombok Airport?Can you identify this unusual plane by its description?What aircraft has a single constant orange light?What is this high-wing, single-propeller, possibly military plane?What plane model is this?
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
aircraft-identification
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
aircraft-identification
asked Apr 9 at 7:57
Łukasz DanilukŁukasz Daniluk
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
aircraft-identification
asked Apr 9 at 7:57
Łukasz DanilukŁukasz Daniluk
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
aircraft-identification
aircraft-identification
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 12:44
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 10 at 7:22
add a comment |
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 12:44
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 10 at 7:22
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 12:44
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 12:44
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 10 at 7:22
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 10 at 7:22
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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Apr 9 at 8:25
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
answered Apr 9 at 8:19
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
________________________________
Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
edited Apr 10 at 9:12
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answered Apr 9 at 12:41
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 12:49
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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Apr 9 at 15:39
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
Apr 10 at 4:51
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:16
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
Apr 9 at 8:25
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 11:56
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show 3 more comments
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
2,58559
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
Apr 9 at 8:25
7
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
4
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 11:56
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
2,58559
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
2,58559
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
2,58559
answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
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answered Apr 9 at 8:17
RACRAC
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2,58559
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
Apr 9 at 8:25
7
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
4
$begingroup$
@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 11:56
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show 3 more comments
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
Apr 9 at 8:25
7
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
4
$begingroup$
@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
$endgroup$
– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
$begingroup$
For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 11:56
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
Apr 9 at 8:25
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
Apr 9 at 8:25
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7
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 8:38
10
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
$begingroup$
I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Kosubek
Apr 9 at 10:14
4
4
$begingroup$
@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
$endgroup$
– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
$endgroup$
– J...
Apr 9 at 11:27
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 11:56
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 9 at 11:56
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
answered Apr 9 at 8:19
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
answered Apr 9 at 8:19
Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
answered Apr 9 at 8:19
Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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answered Apr 9 at 8:19
Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
________________________________
Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
edited Apr 10 at 9:12
David Richerby
10.4k33679
answered Apr 9 at 12:41
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 12:49
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
Apr 9 at 15:39
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
Apr 10 at 4:51
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:16
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:20
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show 2 more comments
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
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Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
Apr 9 at 15:39
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
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Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
edited Apr 10 at 9:12
David Richerby
10.4k33679
answered Apr 9 at 12:41
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
1,014710
$endgroup$
While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
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Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
edited Apr 10 at 9:12
David Richerby
10.4k33679
answered Apr 9 at 12:41
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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edited Apr 10 at 9:12
David Richerby
10.4k33679
edited Apr 10 at 9:12
David Richerby
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edited Apr 10 at 9:12
David Richerby
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answered Apr 9 at 12:41
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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answered Apr 9 at 12:41
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answered Apr 9 at 12:41
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 12:49
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
Apr 9 at 15:39
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
Apr 10 at 4:51
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:16
1
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:20
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 12:49
2
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 9 at 15:39
1
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 10 at 4:51
1
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:16
1
$begingroup$
Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:20
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 12:49
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
$endgroup$
– Sanchises
Apr 9 at 12:49
2
2
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 9 at 15:39
$begingroup$
Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 9 at 15:39
1
1
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 10 at 4:51
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 10 at 4:51
1
1
$begingroup$
@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:16
$begingroup$
@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:16
1
1
$begingroup$
Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:20
$begingroup$
Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Apr 10 at 9:20
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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