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Area under the curve - Integrals (Antiderivatives)


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I have a question regarding antiderivatives and area under the curve.



I've learned that first, you must to a graph to see if the area is above or below the curve. If it is above the $x$-axis the area is "positive" and I must use $A=int f(x) dx $. If it is below the $x$-axis the area is "negative" and I must use $A=-int f(x) dx $. In this last one, I've understood that negative outside the integral is because the integration alone will be negative because is under $x$-axis, but an area can't be negative so that's why is multiply by that negative. I've also seen this with absolute value $A=|int f(x) dx| $ that I think have the same purpose.



This is an example of an exercise:



Determine the area of the region bounded by the curve of the function $f(x)=4x^3-16x$ the $x$-axis and the lines $x=-2$ y $x=2$.



Ok. I'll show you my work.



I first do the graph.



Graph of the function



I see that between $-2$ and $0$ the region bounded is above the $x$-axis so is positive, and that between $0$ and $2$ the region bounded is below the $x$-axis so is negative. So I'll call the first one $A_1$ and the second $A_2$.



$$A_total=int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$A_total=A_1+A_2$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 f(x) dx+(-int_0^2 f(x) dx)$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x) dx+(-int_0^2 (4x^3-16x) dx)$$
$$A_total=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^0_-2 - [frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[x^4-8x^2]|^0_-2 - [x^4-8x^2]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[((0)^4-8(0)^2)-((-2)^4-8(-2)^2)]-[((2)^4-8(2)^2)-((0)^4-8(0)^2)]$$
$$A_total=[-(16-32)]-[16-32]$$
$$A_total=[-(-16)]-[-16]$$
$$A_total=16+16$$
$$A_total=32u^2$$



So I got that the total area is 32 square units. But I was wondering why is this different from doing the integration of $int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$. This gives $0$.



$$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_-2$$
$$=[x^4-8x^2]|^2_-2$$
$$=[(2)^4-8(2)^2]-[(-2)^4-8(-2)^2]$$
$$=[16-32]-[16-32]$$
$$=-16-[-16]$$
$$=-16+16$$
$$=0$$



So I'm a bit confused. Which is one correct?



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I have a question regarding antiderivatives and area under the curve.



I've learned that first, you must to a graph to see if the area is above or below the curve. If it is above the $x$-axis the area is "positive" and I must use $A=int f(x) dx $. If it is below the $x$-axis the area is "negative" and I must use $A=-int f(x) dx $. In this last one, I've understood that negative outside the integral is because the integration alone will be negative because is under $x$-axis, but an area can't be negative so that's why is multiply by that negative. I've also seen this with absolute value $A=|int f(x) dx| $ that I think have the same purpose.



This is an example of an exercise:



Determine the area of the region bounded by the curve of the function $f(x)=4x^3-16x$ the $x$-axis and the lines $x=-2$ y $x=2$.



Ok. I'll show you my work.



I first do the graph.



Graph of the function



I see that between $-2$ and $0$ the region bounded is above the $x$-axis so is positive, and that between $0$ and $2$ the region bounded is below the $x$-axis so is negative. So I'll call the first one $A_1$ and the second $A_2$.



$$A_total=int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$A_total=A_1+A_2$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 f(x) dx+(-int_0^2 f(x) dx)$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x) dx+(-int_0^2 (4x^3-16x) dx)$$
$$A_total=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^0_-2 - [frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[x^4-8x^2]|^0_-2 - [x^4-8x^2]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[((0)^4-8(0)^2)-((-2)^4-8(-2)^2)]-[((2)^4-8(2)^2)-((0)^4-8(0)^2)]$$
$$A_total=[-(16-32)]-[16-32]$$
$$A_total=[-(-16)]-[-16]$$
$$A_total=16+16$$
$$A_total=32u^2$$



So I got that the total area is 32 square units. But I was wondering why is this different from doing the integration of $int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$. This gives $0$.



$$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_-2$$
$$=[x^4-8x^2]|^2_-2$$
$$=[(2)^4-8(2)^2]-[(-2)^4-8(-2)^2]$$
$$=[16-32]-[16-32]$$
$$=-16-[-16]$$
$$=-16+16$$
$$=0$$



So I'm a bit confused. Which is one correct?



Please help.










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I have a question regarding antiderivatives and area under the curve.



I've learned that first, you must to a graph to see if the area is above or below the curve. If it is above the $x$-axis the area is "positive" and I must use $A=int f(x) dx $. If it is below the $x$-axis the area is "negative" and I must use $A=-int f(x) dx $. In this last one, I've understood that negative outside the integral is because the integration alone will be negative because is under $x$-axis, but an area can't be negative so that's why is multiply by that negative. I've also seen this with absolute value $A=|int f(x) dx| $ that I think have the same purpose.



This is an example of an exercise:



Determine the area of the region bounded by the curve of the function $f(x)=4x^3-16x$ the $x$-axis and the lines $x=-2$ y $x=2$.



Ok. I'll show you my work.



I first do the graph.



Graph of the function



I see that between $-2$ and $0$ the region bounded is above the $x$-axis so is positive, and that between $0$ and $2$ the region bounded is below the $x$-axis so is negative. So I'll call the first one $A_1$ and the second $A_2$.



$$A_total=int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$A_total=A_1+A_2$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 f(x) dx+(-int_0^2 f(x) dx)$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x) dx+(-int_0^2 (4x^3-16x) dx)$$
$$A_total=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^0_-2 - [frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[x^4-8x^2]|^0_-2 - [x^4-8x^2]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[((0)^4-8(0)^2)-((-2)^4-8(-2)^2)]-[((2)^4-8(2)^2)-((0)^4-8(0)^2)]$$
$$A_total=[-(16-32)]-[16-32]$$
$$A_total=[-(-16)]-[-16]$$
$$A_total=16+16$$
$$A_total=32u^2$$



So I got that the total area is 32 square units. But I was wondering why is this different from doing the integration of $int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$. This gives $0$.



$$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_-2$$
$$=[x^4-8x^2]|^2_-2$$
$$=[(2)^4-8(2)^2]-[(-2)^4-8(-2)^2]$$
$$=[16-32]-[16-32]$$
$$=-16-[-16]$$
$$=-16+16$$
$$=0$$



So I'm a bit confused. Which is one correct?



Please help.










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I have a question regarding antiderivatives and area under the curve.



I've learned that first, you must to a graph to see if the area is above or below the curve. If it is above the $x$-axis the area is "positive" and I must use $A=int f(x) dx $. If it is below the $x$-axis the area is "negative" and I must use $A=-int f(x) dx $. In this last one, I've understood that negative outside the integral is because the integration alone will be negative because is under $x$-axis, but an area can't be negative so that's why is multiply by that negative. I've also seen this with absolute value $A=|int f(x) dx| $ that I think have the same purpose.



This is an example of an exercise:



Determine the area of the region bounded by the curve of the function $f(x)=4x^3-16x$ the $x$-axis and the lines $x=-2$ y $x=2$.



Ok. I'll show you my work.



I first do the graph.



Graph of the function



I see that between $-2$ and $0$ the region bounded is above the $x$-axis so is positive, and that between $0$ and $2$ the region bounded is below the $x$-axis so is negative. So I'll call the first one $A_1$ and the second $A_2$.



$$A_total=int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$A_total=A_1+A_2$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 f(x) dx+(-int_0^2 f(x) dx)$$
$$A_total=int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x) dx+(-int_0^2 (4x^3-16x) dx)$$
$$A_total=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^0_-2 - [frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[x^4-8x^2]|^0_-2 - [x^4-8x^2]|^2_0 $$
$$A_total=[((0)^4-8(0)^2)-((-2)^4-8(-2)^2)]-[((2)^4-8(2)^2)-((0)^4-8(0)^2)]$$
$$A_total=[-(16-32)]-[16-32]$$
$$A_total=[-(-16)]-[-16]$$
$$A_total=16+16$$
$$A_total=32u^2$$



So I got that the total area is 32 square units. But I was wondering why is this different from doing the integration of $int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$. This gives $0$.



$$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x) dx$$
$$=[frac4x^44-frac16x^22]|^2_-2$$
$$=[x^4-8x^2]|^2_-2$$
$$=[(2)^4-8(2)^2]-[(-2)^4-8(-2)^2]$$
$$=[16-32]-[16-32]$$
$$=-16-[-16]$$
$$=-16+16$$
$$=0$$



So I'm a bit confused. Which is one correct?



Please help.







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Ok, so here's the cause of your confusion: the meaning of the word "area" depends on the context of the problem. Indeed your calculation



$$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x),dx = 0$$



is correct. (A shortcut is to notice that you are integrating an odd function over a domain which is symmetric about the origin). However, in this particular question, the "area between the curves and the x-axis" really means to compute



$$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x| ,dx$$



So yes, in the geometric sense, area generally must be positive. But when evaluating definite integrals, we sometimes think of the area above the x-axis as being "positive area" and the area below the x-axis as "negative area."



As to getting the answer to your problem, use symmetry to make your life easier:



$$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x|,dx = 2 cdot int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x),dx = 2 big[x^4 - 8x^2big] big|_-2^0 = 32.$$






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In such cases , you must create the partial intervals and integrate over them.



The integral without considering whether the function is negative or positive counts the areas above the $x$-axis positive and the areas below the $x$-axis negative.



Hence, the solution $0$ is not correct (anyway area $0$ cannot be the result here).



You need the roots of the function to find the necessary intervals , exactly what you did in the first (correct) approach.






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    In your first approach, you are taking the absolute value of the "signed areas" (so the areas will be positive whether above or below the $x$-axis). Hence, $A_1 = vert 16vert = 16$ and $A_2 = vert -16vert = 16$, so $A_1+A_2 = 32$.



    When taking the definite integral, you are taking the signs into account, so $A_1 = 16$ while $A_2 = -16$, which means $int_-2^2 f(x)dx = 0$. (The areas above and below the $x$-axis are equal and cancel out.)



    The first approach is correct because the question is asking for the area bounded by $f(x)$ and the $x$-axis (in which case, a non-positive area makes no sense), not for the definite integral of $f(x)$ between $-2$ and $2$.






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      Ok, so here's the cause of your confusion: the meaning of the word "area" depends on the context of the problem. Indeed your calculation



      $$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x),dx = 0$$



      is correct. (A shortcut is to notice that you are integrating an odd function over a domain which is symmetric about the origin). However, in this particular question, the "area between the curves and the x-axis" really means to compute



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x| ,dx$$



      So yes, in the geometric sense, area generally must be positive. But when evaluating definite integrals, we sometimes think of the area above the x-axis as being "positive area" and the area below the x-axis as "negative area."



      As to getting the answer to your problem, use symmetry to make your life easier:



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x|,dx = 2 cdot int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x),dx = 2 big[x^4 - 8x^2big] big|_-2^0 = 32.$$






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      Ok, so here's the cause of your confusion: the meaning of the word "area" depends on the context of the problem. Indeed your calculation



      $$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x),dx = 0$$



      is correct. (A shortcut is to notice that you are integrating an odd function over a domain which is symmetric about the origin). However, in this particular question, the "area between the curves and the x-axis" really means to compute



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x| ,dx$$



      So yes, in the geometric sense, area generally must be positive. But when evaluating definite integrals, we sometimes think of the area above the x-axis as being "positive area" and the area below the x-axis as "negative area."



      As to getting the answer to your problem, use symmetry to make your life easier:



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x|,dx = 2 cdot int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x),dx = 2 big[x^4 - 8x^2big] big|_-2^0 = 32.$$






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      Ok, so here's the cause of your confusion: the meaning of the word "area" depends on the context of the problem. Indeed your calculation



      $$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x),dx = 0$$



      is correct. (A shortcut is to notice that you are integrating an odd function over a domain which is symmetric about the origin). However, in this particular question, the "area between the curves and the x-axis" really means to compute



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x| ,dx$$



      So yes, in the geometric sense, area generally must be positive. But when evaluating definite integrals, we sometimes think of the area above the x-axis as being "positive area" and the area below the x-axis as "negative area."



      As to getting the answer to your problem, use symmetry to make your life easier:



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x|,dx = 2 cdot int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x),dx = 2 big[x^4 - 8x^2big] big|_-2^0 = 32.$$






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      Ok, so here's the cause of your confusion: the meaning of the word "area" depends on the context of the problem. Indeed your calculation



      $$int_-2^2 (4x^3-16x),dx = 0$$



      is correct. (A shortcut is to notice that you are integrating an odd function over a domain which is symmetric about the origin). However, in this particular question, the "area between the curves and the x-axis" really means to compute



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x| ,dx$$



      So yes, in the geometric sense, area generally must be positive. But when evaluating definite integrals, we sometimes think of the area above the x-axis as being "positive area" and the area below the x-axis as "negative area."



      As to getting the answer to your problem, use symmetry to make your life easier:



      $$int_-2^2 |4x^3-16x|,dx = 2 cdot int_-2^0 (4x^3-16x),dx = 2 big[x^4 - 8x^2big] big|_-2^0 = 32.$$







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      In such cases , you must create the partial intervals and integrate over them.



      The integral without considering whether the function is negative or positive counts the areas above the $x$-axis positive and the areas below the $x$-axis negative.



      Hence, the solution $0$ is not correct (anyway area $0$ cannot be the result here).



      You need the roots of the function to find the necessary intervals , exactly what you did in the first (correct) approach.






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        In such cases , you must create the partial intervals and integrate over them.



        The integral without considering whether the function is negative or positive counts the areas above the $x$-axis positive and the areas below the $x$-axis negative.



        Hence, the solution $0$ is not correct (anyway area $0$ cannot be the result here).



        You need the roots of the function to find the necessary intervals , exactly what you did in the first (correct) approach.






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          In such cases , you must create the partial intervals and integrate over them.



          The integral without considering whether the function is negative or positive counts the areas above the $x$-axis positive and the areas below the $x$-axis negative.



          Hence, the solution $0$ is not correct (anyway area $0$ cannot be the result here).



          You need the roots of the function to find the necessary intervals , exactly what you did in the first (correct) approach.






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          In such cases , you must create the partial intervals and integrate over them.



          The integral without considering whether the function is negative or positive counts the areas above the $x$-axis positive and the areas below the $x$-axis negative.



          Hence, the solution $0$ is not correct (anyway area $0$ cannot be the result here).



          You need the roots of the function to find the necessary intervals , exactly what you did in the first (correct) approach.







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              In your first approach, you are taking the absolute value of the "signed areas" (so the areas will be positive whether above or below the $x$-axis). Hence, $A_1 = vert 16vert = 16$ and $A_2 = vert -16vert = 16$, so $A_1+A_2 = 32$.



              When taking the definite integral, you are taking the signs into account, so $A_1 = 16$ while $A_2 = -16$, which means $int_-2^2 f(x)dx = 0$. (The areas above and below the $x$-axis are equal and cancel out.)



              The first approach is correct because the question is asking for the area bounded by $f(x)$ and the $x$-axis (in which case, a non-positive area makes no sense), not for the definite integral of $f(x)$ between $-2$ and $2$.






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                In your first approach, you are taking the absolute value of the "signed areas" (so the areas will be positive whether above or below the $x$-axis). Hence, $A_1 = vert 16vert = 16$ and $A_2 = vert -16vert = 16$, so $A_1+A_2 = 32$.



                When taking the definite integral, you are taking the signs into account, so $A_1 = 16$ while $A_2 = -16$, which means $int_-2^2 f(x)dx = 0$. (The areas above and below the $x$-axis are equal and cancel out.)



                The first approach is correct because the question is asking for the area bounded by $f(x)$ and the $x$-axis (in which case, a non-positive area makes no sense), not for the definite integral of $f(x)$ between $-2$ and $2$.






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                  In your first approach, you are taking the absolute value of the "signed areas" (so the areas will be positive whether above or below the $x$-axis). Hence, $A_1 = vert 16vert = 16$ and $A_2 = vert -16vert = 16$, so $A_1+A_2 = 32$.



                  When taking the definite integral, you are taking the signs into account, so $A_1 = 16$ while $A_2 = -16$, which means $int_-2^2 f(x)dx = 0$. (The areas above and below the $x$-axis are equal and cancel out.)



                  The first approach is correct because the question is asking for the area bounded by $f(x)$ and the $x$-axis (in which case, a non-positive area makes no sense), not for the definite integral of $f(x)$ between $-2$ and $2$.






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                  In your first approach, you are taking the absolute value of the "signed areas" (so the areas will be positive whether above or below the $x$-axis). Hence, $A_1 = vert 16vert = 16$ and $A_2 = vert -16vert = 16$, so $A_1+A_2 = 32$.



                  When taking the definite integral, you are taking the signs into account, so $A_1 = 16$ while $A_2 = -16$, which means $int_-2^2 f(x)dx = 0$. (The areas above and below the $x$-axis are equal and cancel out.)



                  The first approach is correct because the question is asking for the area bounded by $f(x)$ and the $x$-axis (in which case, a non-positive area makes no sense), not for the definite integral of $f(x)$ between $-2$ and $2$.







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