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How can I safely determine the output voltage and current of a transformer?


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So I am building a Tesla coil with my partner for a senior design project.



We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven. However, after a good amount of research, we were unable to find the maximum output values from the transformer. We know the input values, the standard 120 V and 60 Hz from a US outlet. We need to know the max/peak kV to figure out the capacitance we will need for our primary coil that we need to construct.



Here is what it looks like:



Transformer from a microwave oven










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    We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven Sure but the safety ends at the very moment when you connect the 120 V AC input to mains voltage when you want to use this transformer. Microwave transformers are designed to deliver a high voltage at significant current levels. Because that's the power going into the Magnetron tube. If you have to ask the rating of this transformer I seriously advise you to first get more experience with (high voltage) electronics before you continue.
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    To be clear: without knowing exactly what you're doing you should not mess with the transformer from any microwave oven. They're LETHAL when connected to AC mains. Are you an electrical engineer? No, then leave these transformers alone. Even electrical engineers don't mess with these.
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    well we were going to make a faraday cage and enclose the coil inside it before plugging in to the outlet. we can also just make a small-scale tesla coil without having to deal with these big transformers, a student from a previous year did it and we have been using it as a reference but we're not exactly sure how it is getting the job done with only the 120 V input thats connected straight to what looks like the primary winding.
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    Besides being extremely dangerous, IMO this is a poor senior design project, I am surprised that a professor would approve this. There is a lot of "black magic" involved, since the parasitics are difficult to estimate, you can't use always us rigorous engineering math. IMO a senior design project should involve requirements and math/simulations to back-up the design besides successful execution of the design. What are your requirements, lots of cool sparks?
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    Have a friend do the measurements for you.
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So I am building a Tesla coil with my partner for a senior design project.



We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven. However, after a good amount of research, we were unable to find the maximum output values from the transformer. We know the input values, the standard 120 V and 60 Hz from a US outlet. We need to know the max/peak kV to figure out the capacitance we will need for our primary coil that we need to construct.



Here is what it looks like:



Transformer from a microwave oven










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  • 6




    $begingroup$
    We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven Sure but the safety ends at the very moment when you connect the 120 V AC input to mains voltage when you want to use this transformer. Microwave transformers are designed to deliver a high voltage at significant current levels. Because that's the power going into the Magnetron tube. If you have to ask the rating of this transformer I seriously advise you to first get more experience with (high voltage) electronics before you continue.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    May 15 at 18:52






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    To be clear: without knowing exactly what you're doing you should not mess with the transformer from any microwave oven. They're LETHAL when connected to AC mains. Are you an electrical engineer? No, then leave these transformers alone. Even electrical engineers don't mess with these.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    May 15 at 18:57










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    well we were going to make a faraday cage and enclose the coil inside it before plugging in to the outlet. we can also just make a small-scale tesla coil without having to deal with these big transformers, a student from a previous year did it and we have been using it as a reference but we're not exactly sure how it is getting the job done with only the 120 V input thats connected straight to what looks like the primary winding.
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    Besides being extremely dangerous, IMO this is a poor senior design project, I am surprised that a professor would approve this. There is a lot of "black magic" involved, since the parasitics are difficult to estimate, you can't use always us rigorous engineering math. IMO a senior design project should involve requirements and math/simulations to back-up the design besides successful execution of the design. What are your requirements, lots of cool sparks?
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    – Mattman944
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    Have a friend do the measurements for you.
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So I am building a Tesla coil with my partner for a senior design project.



We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven. However, after a good amount of research, we were unable to find the maximum output values from the transformer. We know the input values, the standard 120 V and 60 Hz from a US outlet. We need to know the max/peak kV to figure out the capacitance we will need for our primary coil that we need to construct.



Here is what it looks like:



Transformer from a microwave oven










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So I am building a Tesla coil with my partner for a senior design project.



We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven. However, after a good amount of research, we were unable to find the maximum output values from the transformer. We know the input values, the standard 120 V and 60 Hz from a US outlet. We need to know the max/peak kV to figure out the capacitance we will need for our primary coil that we need to construct.



Here is what it looks like:



Transformer from a microwave oven







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    We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven Sure but the safety ends at the very moment when you connect the 120 V AC input to mains voltage when you want to use this transformer. Microwave transformers are designed to deliver a high voltage at significant current levels. Because that's the power going into the Magnetron tube. If you have to ask the rating of this transformer I seriously advise you to first get more experience with (high voltage) electronics before you continue.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    May 15 at 18:52






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    To be clear: without knowing exactly what you're doing you should not mess with the transformer from any microwave oven. They're LETHAL when connected to AC mains. Are you an electrical engineer? No, then leave these transformers alone. Even electrical engineers don't mess with these.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    May 15 at 18:57










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    well we were going to make a faraday cage and enclose the coil inside it before plugging in to the outlet. we can also just make a small-scale tesla coil without having to deal with these big transformers, a student from a previous year did it and we have been using it as a reference but we're not exactly sure how it is getting the job done with only the 120 V input thats connected straight to what looks like the primary winding.
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    – Krutik Shah
    May 15 at 19:24







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    Besides being extremely dangerous, IMO this is a poor senior design project, I am surprised that a professor would approve this. There is a lot of "black magic" involved, since the parasitics are difficult to estimate, you can't use always us rigorous engineering math. IMO a senior design project should involve requirements and math/simulations to back-up the design besides successful execution of the design. What are your requirements, lots of cool sparks?
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    – Mattman944
    May 15 at 23:04










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    Have a friend do the measurements for you.
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    – copper.hat
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    We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven Sure but the safety ends at the very moment when you connect the 120 V AC input to mains voltage when you want to use this transformer. Microwave transformers are designed to deliver a high voltage at significant current levels. Because that's the power going into the Magnetron tube. If you have to ask the rating of this transformer I seriously advise you to first get more experience with (high voltage) electronics before you continue.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    May 15 at 18:52






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    To be clear: without knowing exactly what you're doing you should not mess with the transformer from any microwave oven. They're LETHAL when connected to AC mains. Are you an electrical engineer? No, then leave these transformers alone. Even electrical engineers don't mess with these.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    May 15 at 18:57










  • $begingroup$
    well we were going to make a faraday cage and enclose the coil inside it before plugging in to the outlet. we can also just make a small-scale tesla coil without having to deal with these big transformers, a student from a previous year did it and we have been using it as a reference but we're not exactly sure how it is getting the job done with only the 120 V input thats connected straight to what looks like the primary winding.
    $endgroup$
    – Krutik Shah
    May 15 at 19:24







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    $begingroup$
    Besides being extremely dangerous, IMO this is a poor senior design project, I am surprised that a professor would approve this. There is a lot of "black magic" involved, since the parasitics are difficult to estimate, you can't use always us rigorous engineering math. IMO a senior design project should involve requirements and math/simulations to back-up the design besides successful execution of the design. What are your requirements, lots of cool sparks?
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    Have a friend do the measurements for you.
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We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven Sure but the safety ends at the very moment when you connect the 120 V AC input to mains voltage when you want to use this transformer. Microwave transformers are designed to deliver a high voltage at significant current levels. Because that's the power going into the Magnetron tube. If you have to ask the rating of this transformer I seriously advise you to first get more experience with (high voltage) electronics before you continue.
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– Bimpelrekkie
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$begingroup$
We safely ripped out a transformer from a microwave oven Sure but the safety ends at the very moment when you connect the 120 V AC input to mains voltage when you want to use this transformer. Microwave transformers are designed to deliver a high voltage at significant current levels. Because that's the power going into the Magnetron tube. If you have to ask the rating of this transformer I seriously advise you to first get more experience with (high voltage) electronics before you continue.
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– Bimpelrekkie
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To be clear: without knowing exactly what you're doing you should not mess with the transformer from any microwave oven. They're LETHAL when connected to AC mains. Are you an electrical engineer? No, then leave these transformers alone. Even electrical engineers don't mess with these.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
May 15 at 18:57




$begingroup$
To be clear: without knowing exactly what you're doing you should not mess with the transformer from any microwave oven. They're LETHAL when connected to AC mains. Are you an electrical engineer? No, then leave these transformers alone. Even electrical engineers don't mess with these.
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– Bimpelrekkie
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well we were going to make a faraday cage and enclose the coil inside it before plugging in to the outlet. we can also just make a small-scale tesla coil without having to deal with these big transformers, a student from a previous year did it and we have been using it as a reference but we're not exactly sure how it is getting the job done with only the 120 V input thats connected straight to what looks like the primary winding.
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– Krutik Shah
May 15 at 19:24





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well we were going to make a faraday cage and enclose the coil inside it before plugging in to the outlet. we can also just make a small-scale tesla coil without having to deal with these big transformers, a student from a previous year did it and we have been using it as a reference but we're not exactly sure how it is getting the job done with only the 120 V input thats connected straight to what looks like the primary winding.
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Besides being extremely dangerous, IMO this is a poor senior design project, I am surprised that a professor would approve this. There is a lot of "black magic" involved, since the parasitics are difficult to estimate, you can't use always us rigorous engineering math. IMO a senior design project should involve requirements and math/simulations to back-up the design besides successful execution of the design. What are your requirements, lots of cool sparks?
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– Mattman944
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Besides being extremely dangerous, IMO this is a poor senior design project, I am surprised that a professor would approve this. There is a lot of "black magic" involved, since the parasitics are difficult to estimate, you can't use always us rigorous engineering math. IMO a senior design project should involve requirements and math/simulations to back-up the design besides successful execution of the design. What are your requirements, lots of cool sparks?
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Have a friend do the measurements for you.
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No. Do not use a Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) for a Tesla coil.



It is the wrong impedance. The output voltage is too low (around 2kV), spark gaps will not fire reliably. The output current is too high (500mA), if it bites you, you will probably die.



The correct transformer to use is an old style (iron core) Neon Sign Transformer (NST). The output voltage of 15kV is plenty to make very forgiving spark gaps. The output current in the low tens of mA may well be survivable if it bites you.






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    For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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    @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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    Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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    @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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    @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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6170W1D012G is an LG part number. Primary 120v. HT secondary is 2210v 500 mA. If you have to ask, as has been said, you do not know enough to do this safely.






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    Consider exciting the high voltage secondary (at 60 Hz) and measuring primary voltage to get an idea of the turns ratio. It should be pretty simple math past that.



    I agree with other comments that you might want more experience and/or meaningful oversight from your professors for this project.






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      Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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      What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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    To answer the general question, to suss out the basic specs of a power transformer drive it backwards. This is how we did it in engineering school with pole transformers.



    You apply 120vac to the HV secondary of the transformer, then measure the voltage on the primary. (Note: Be sure to fuse the 120v supply.) This will let you calculate the ratio of primary to secondary voltage. There was also a way to roughly calculate the current capacity while doing this, but it's been nearly 50 years, so I've forgotten that detail.






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      Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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    No. Do not use a Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) for a Tesla coil.



    It is the wrong impedance. The output voltage is too low (around 2kV), spark gaps will not fire reliably. The output current is too high (500mA), if it bites you, you will probably die.



    The correct transformer to use is an old style (iron core) Neon Sign Transformer (NST). The output voltage of 15kV is plenty to make very forgiving spark gaps. The output current in the low tens of mA may well be survivable if it bites you.






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      For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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      @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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      Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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      @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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      @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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    No. Do not use a Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) for a Tesla coil.



    It is the wrong impedance. The output voltage is too low (around 2kV), spark gaps will not fire reliably. The output current is too high (500mA), if it bites you, you will probably die.



    The correct transformer to use is an old style (iron core) Neon Sign Transformer (NST). The output voltage of 15kV is plenty to make very forgiving spark gaps. The output current in the low tens of mA may well be survivable if it bites you.






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      For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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      May 15 at 19:00







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      @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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      Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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      @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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      @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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    No. Do not use a Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) for a Tesla coil.



    It is the wrong impedance. The output voltage is too low (around 2kV), spark gaps will not fire reliably. The output current is too high (500mA), if it bites you, you will probably die.



    The correct transformer to use is an old style (iron core) Neon Sign Transformer (NST). The output voltage of 15kV is plenty to make very forgiving spark gaps. The output current in the low tens of mA may well be survivable if it bites you.






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    No. Do not use a Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) for a Tesla coil.



    It is the wrong impedance. The output voltage is too low (around 2kV), spark gaps will not fire reliably. The output current is too high (500mA), if it bites you, you will probably die.



    The correct transformer to use is an old style (iron core) Neon Sign Transformer (NST). The output voltage of 15kV is plenty to make very forgiving spark gaps. The output current in the low tens of mA may well be survivable if it bites you.







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      For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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      May 15 at 19:00







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      @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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      Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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      May 15 at 19:06







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      @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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      May 15 at 19:06






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      @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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      May 15 at 19:19












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      For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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      @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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      Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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      @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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      @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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    For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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    For clarification, so a microwave transformer is not high enough voltage to easily make spark gaps, but at the same time high enough voltage to produce hazardous sparks and high enough power to have lethal levels of current behind those sparks?
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    @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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    – Neil_UK
    May 15 at 19:05





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    @Toor There's a lot of technology to Tesla Coils, technology = knowledge of how to make them work. 2kV will jump very short gaps in air. However, making a reliable gap that size with big copper electrodes to dissipate the heat is hard, it's not something experienced coilers attempt, somebody with no experience is doooomed to failure. It is enough to jump through dry clothing, mains will not do that, which is why mains is relatively safe, and MOTs are lethal. Once an arc has started, that 500mA will start fires (1kW!) and is 10x the level needed to stop a heart.
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    Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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    May 15 at 19:06





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    Toor, 2 kV with current capability of 500 mA will easily kill you, and not by "sparks". It's volts that jolt, but mils that kill.
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    – Michael Harvey
    May 15 at 19:06





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    @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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    – DKNguyen
    May 15 at 19:06




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    @MichaelHarvey Isn't that what I said?
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    – DKNguyen
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    @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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    – Neil_UK
    May 15 at 19:19




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    @KrutikShah these are the games people get into when they try to make a MOT-powered TC, once you're up at 4 MOTs, the spark gaps become reasonable. The power level is totally unreasonable.
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    6170W1D012G is an LG part number. Primary 120v. HT secondary is 2210v 500 mA. If you have to ask, as has been said, you do not know enough to do this safely.






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      6170W1D012G is an LG part number. Primary 120v. HT secondary is 2210v 500 mA. If you have to ask, as has been said, you do not know enough to do this safely.






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        6170W1D012G is an LG part number. Primary 120v. HT secondary is 2210v 500 mA. If you have to ask, as has been said, you do not know enough to do this safely.






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        6170W1D012G is an LG part number. Primary 120v. HT secondary is 2210v 500 mA. If you have to ask, as has been said, you do not know enough to do this safely.







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            Consider exciting the high voltage secondary (at 60 Hz) and measuring primary voltage to get an idea of the turns ratio. It should be pretty simple math past that.



            I agree with other comments that you might want more experience and/or meaningful oversight from your professors for this project.






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              Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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              What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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            Consider exciting the high voltage secondary (at 60 Hz) and measuring primary voltage to get an idea of the turns ratio. It should be pretty simple math past that.



            I agree with other comments that you might want more experience and/or meaningful oversight from your professors for this project.






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              Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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              What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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            Consider exciting the high voltage secondary (at 60 Hz) and measuring primary voltage to get an idea of the turns ratio. It should be pretty simple math past that.



            I agree with other comments that you might want more experience and/or meaningful oversight from your professors for this project.






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            Consider exciting the high voltage secondary (at 60 Hz) and measuring primary voltage to get an idea of the turns ratio. It should be pretty simple math past that.



            I agree with other comments that you might want more experience and/or meaningful oversight from your professors for this project.







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              Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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              What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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              Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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              What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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            Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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            – Bimpelrekkie
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            Sure but that does not tell us anything about the power rating of this transformer.
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            – Bimpelrekkie
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            What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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            – MondayTuesdayWednesday
            May 15 at 18:55





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            What was the power rating of the microwave? You probably can't establish a rating without input from the manufacturer, nameplate information, or testing and knowledge of the construction (insulation temp ratings mostly).
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            – MondayTuesdayWednesday
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            To answer the general question, to suss out the basic specs of a power transformer drive it backwards. This is how we did it in engineering school with pole transformers.



            You apply 120vac to the HV secondary of the transformer, then measure the voltage on the primary. (Note: Be sure to fuse the 120v supply.) This will let you calculate the ratio of primary to secondary voltage. There was also a way to roughly calculate the current capacity while doing this, but it's been nearly 50 years, so I've forgotten that detail.






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              Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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            To answer the general question, to suss out the basic specs of a power transformer drive it backwards. This is how we did it in engineering school with pole transformers.



            You apply 120vac to the HV secondary of the transformer, then measure the voltage on the primary. (Note: Be sure to fuse the 120v supply.) This will let you calculate the ratio of primary to secondary voltage. There was also a way to roughly calculate the current capacity while doing this, but it's been nearly 50 years, so I've forgotten that detail.






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              Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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            To answer the general question, to suss out the basic specs of a power transformer drive it backwards. This is how we did it in engineering school with pole transformers.



            You apply 120vac to the HV secondary of the transformer, then measure the voltage on the primary. (Note: Be sure to fuse the 120v supply.) This will let you calculate the ratio of primary to secondary voltage. There was also a way to roughly calculate the current capacity while doing this, but it's been nearly 50 years, so I've forgotten that detail.






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            $endgroup$



            To answer the general question, to suss out the basic specs of a power transformer drive it backwards. This is how we did it in engineering school with pole transformers.



            You apply 120vac to the HV secondary of the transformer, then measure the voltage on the primary. (Note: Be sure to fuse the 120v supply.) This will let you calculate the ratio of primary to secondary voltage. There was also a way to roughly calculate the current capacity while doing this, but it's been nearly 50 years, so I've forgotten that detail.







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              Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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              Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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            Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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            – Michael Harvey
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            $begingroup$
            Note: This is a microwave oven transformer. It has an HT secondary winding, and also a 3.15v secondary winding for the magnetron cathode heater filament. If attempting a backward measurement, then identifying the right secondary is important, as applying 120v to the 3.15v winding is likely to cause hazardous voltages to appear at the primary, and/or damage the transformer.
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