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Why is the German word for “cartridge” “die Patrone”?


Is there a common origin for “to count on s.o.” / “auf jmd. zählen”Why is the -ow in place names pronounced the way it is?Herkunft von “Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel”Do these -tion words come from English or French?Why isn't plural ihr used for Formal instead of Sie?Why Ölberg and not Olivenberg?What is the etymology of “Es gibt” in the sense of “There is”?What could “Haselünne” mean?Etymology of English 'fladry'Street, strait, Straße: Die Meerenge von Gibraltar?













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In many other languages the name referring to a firearm cartridge derives distantly from the Latin carta, cartae



  • meaning paper, because of how 16th century firearm charges were wrapped.

In German the same concept comes probably from the Latin patronus, patroni



  • meaning defender, protector; itself derived from the Latin from pater, patris.

Why does the German word for cartridge come from patronus?










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    Because I am no export in ammunition I can not answer the question: But there is the German word Kartusche de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartusche_(Munition)

    – Ingo Bochmann
    May 15 at 14:05











  • @IngoBochmann thanks for pointing it out!

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:21











  • @ShegitBrahm is there an official formatting policy on GeSE? Is it not a bit ugly to format Latin words as it has been done in the edit? And why was patronus at the end not formatted like the other ones? I'm asking just to know how to format in future questions.

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:23











  • @Easymode44: the only "official formatting policy" I would claim is: make the text clearly and easily readable. So yes, you are free to change my formatting. My aim was to highlight the non-english words and I oversaw the last word.

    – Shegit Brahm
    May 16 at 11:33











  • @ShegitBrahm Fair point, thanks for the clarification

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 12:42















2















In many other languages the name referring to a firearm cartridge derives distantly from the Latin carta, cartae



  • meaning paper, because of how 16th century firearm charges were wrapped.

In German the same concept comes probably from the Latin patronus, patroni



  • meaning defender, protector; itself derived from the Latin from pater, patris.

Why does the German word for cartridge come from patronus?










share|improve this question



















  • 2





    Because I am no export in ammunition I can not answer the question: But there is the German word Kartusche de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartusche_(Munition)

    – Ingo Bochmann
    May 15 at 14:05











  • @IngoBochmann thanks for pointing it out!

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:21











  • @ShegitBrahm is there an official formatting policy on GeSE? Is it not a bit ugly to format Latin words as it has been done in the edit? And why was patronus at the end not formatted like the other ones? I'm asking just to know how to format in future questions.

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:23











  • @Easymode44: the only "official formatting policy" I would claim is: make the text clearly and easily readable. So yes, you are free to change my formatting. My aim was to highlight the non-english words and I oversaw the last word.

    – Shegit Brahm
    May 16 at 11:33











  • @ShegitBrahm Fair point, thanks for the clarification

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 12:42













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In many other languages the name referring to a firearm cartridge derives distantly from the Latin carta, cartae



  • meaning paper, because of how 16th century firearm charges were wrapped.

In German the same concept comes probably from the Latin patronus, patroni



  • meaning defender, protector; itself derived from the Latin from pater, patris.

Why does the German word for cartridge come from patronus?










share|improve this question
















In many other languages the name referring to a firearm cartridge derives distantly from the Latin carta, cartae



  • meaning paper, because of how 16th century firearm charges were wrapped.

In German the same concept comes probably from the Latin patronus, patroni



  • meaning defender, protector; itself derived from the Latin from pater, patris.

Why does the German word for cartridge come from patronus?







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    Because I am no export in ammunition I can not answer the question: But there is the German word Kartusche de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartusche_(Munition)

    – Ingo Bochmann
    May 15 at 14:05











  • @IngoBochmann thanks for pointing it out!

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:21











  • @ShegitBrahm is there an official formatting policy on GeSE? Is it not a bit ugly to format Latin words as it has been done in the edit? And why was patronus at the end not formatted like the other ones? I'm asking just to know how to format in future questions.

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:23











  • @Easymode44: the only "official formatting policy" I would claim is: make the text clearly and easily readable. So yes, you are free to change my formatting. My aim was to highlight the non-english words and I oversaw the last word.

    – Shegit Brahm
    May 16 at 11:33











  • @ShegitBrahm Fair point, thanks for the clarification

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 12:42












  • 2





    Because I am no export in ammunition I can not answer the question: But there is the German word Kartusche de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartusche_(Munition)

    – Ingo Bochmann
    May 15 at 14:05











  • @IngoBochmann thanks for pointing it out!

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:21











  • @ShegitBrahm is there an official formatting policy on GeSE? Is it not a bit ugly to format Latin words as it has been done in the edit? And why was patronus at the end not formatted like the other ones? I'm asking just to know how to format in future questions.

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:23











  • @Easymode44: the only "official formatting policy" I would claim is: make the text clearly and easily readable. So yes, you are free to change my formatting. My aim was to highlight the non-english words and I oversaw the last word.

    – Shegit Brahm
    May 16 at 11:33











  • @ShegitBrahm Fair point, thanks for the clarification

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 12:42







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2





Because I am no export in ammunition I can not answer the question: But there is the German word Kartusche de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartusche_(Munition)

– Ingo Bochmann
May 15 at 14:05





Because I am no export in ammunition I can not answer the question: But there is the German word Kartusche de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartusche_(Munition)

– Ingo Bochmann
May 15 at 14:05













@IngoBochmann thanks for pointing it out!

– Easymode44
May 16 at 10:21





@IngoBochmann thanks for pointing it out!

– Easymode44
May 16 at 10:21













@ShegitBrahm is there an official formatting policy on GeSE? Is it not a bit ugly to format Latin words as it has been done in the edit? And why was patronus at the end not formatted like the other ones? I'm asking just to know how to format in future questions.

– Easymode44
May 16 at 10:23





@ShegitBrahm is there an official formatting policy on GeSE? Is it not a bit ugly to format Latin words as it has been done in the edit? And why was patronus at the end not formatted like the other ones? I'm asking just to know how to format in future questions.

– Easymode44
May 16 at 10:23













@Easymode44: the only "official formatting policy" I would claim is: make the text clearly and easily readable. So yes, you are free to change my formatting. My aim was to highlight the non-english words and I oversaw the last word.

– Shegit Brahm
May 16 at 11:33





@Easymode44: the only "official formatting policy" I would claim is: make the text clearly and easily readable. So yes, you are free to change my formatting. My aim was to highlight the non-english words and I oversaw the last word.

– Shegit Brahm
May 16 at 11:33













@ShegitBrahm Fair point, thanks for the clarification

– Easymode44
May 16 at 12:42





@ShegitBrahm Fair point, thanks for the clarification

– Easymode44
May 16 at 12:42










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A cartridge (in German "Patrone" from French Patron for form, pattern, model) combines the components necessary to fire a bullet (projectile or grenade) from a firearm into one unit. The unit cartridge (in German "Einheitspatrone") usually consists of a case, primer, propellant charge and projectile. Historical cartridges do not make this unit.



Google Books Ngram Viewer



Further information:




Patrone is a form of the masculine Patron (form, pattern, model)
existing since the 17th century. It was taken from the French
patron, which in turn was borrowed from the Latin patronus. In
addition to the Latin and Middle Latin meanings of 'patron saint' and
'patron saint', the French word already had the meanings 'model' and
'pattern' at the time of Old French, which were later also found in
Middle Latin.



They developed out of a metaphorical use of the word patron, because the
pattern form is the father form, on which the emergence of something
else is modelled and the father is the model of the son. Patron
found its way into the German dialects and various technical
languages, so that at the end of the 16th century the word, in the meaning
'Musterform', also referred to the quantity of gunpowder required for a
charge in a case first made from paper, then from metal, before it subsequently
stood for the entire charge prepared in this way.



The term was then also applied to modern projectiles, which had a
case, a propellant charge and an igniter. The external resemblance to
these is ultimately what caused the designation of containers for 35mm
films and ink for fountain pens as Patrone, which emerged in the
20th century.




German source: Wiktionary - Patrone




Patrone ist eine seit dem 17. Jahrhundert existierende Form des
Maskulinums Patron (Form, Muster, Modell). Dieses wurde vom
französischen patron übernommen, welches seinerseits aus dem
lateinischen patronus entlehnt wurde. Das französische Wort wies
außer den aus dem Lateinischen und Mittellateinischen stammenden
Bedeutungen ‚Schutzherr‘ und ‚Schutzheiliger‘ schon zur Zeit des
Altfranzösischen die Bedeutungen ‚Modell‘ und ‚Muster‘ auf, die sich
später auch im Mittellateinischen fanden.



Sie entwickelten sich aus einem bildlichen Gebrauch des Wortes
Schutzherr heraus, weil die Musterform die Vaterform ist, an der sich
die Entstehung von etwas anderem orientiert und der Vater das Vorbild
des Sohnes ist. Patron fand im Deutschen Eingang in die Mundarten und
diverse Fachsprachen, so dass das Wort in der Bedeutung ‚Musterform‘
am Ende des 16. Jahrhunderts auch die für eine Ladung benötigte Menge
Schießpulvers in einer zuerst papiernen, später metallenen Hülse
bezeichnete, bevor es in der Folge für die ganze so vorbereitete
Ladung stand.



Sodann wurde der Begriff ebenfalls auf die modernen Geschosse, die
über Hülse, Treibladung und Zünder verfügen, übertragen. Der äußeren
Ähnlichkeit mit diesen ist schlussendlich die Bezeichnung von
Behältnissen für Kleinbildfilme und Tinte für Füller als Patrone
geschuldet, die im 20. Jahrhundert aufkam.







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    Since the question was asked in English you should provide a translation of the quote.

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  • @infinitezero - added translation draft.

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  • Thank you @help-info.de for your thorough answer. Very interesting.

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    May 16 at 10:20












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A cartridge (in German "Patrone" from French Patron for form, pattern, model) combines the components necessary to fire a bullet (projectile or grenade) from a firearm into one unit. The unit cartridge (in German "Einheitspatrone") usually consists of a case, primer, propellant charge and projectile. Historical cartridges do not make this unit.



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Further information:




Patrone is a form of the masculine Patron (form, pattern, model)
existing since the 17th century. It was taken from the French
patron, which in turn was borrowed from the Latin patronus. In
addition to the Latin and Middle Latin meanings of 'patron saint' and
'patron saint', the French word already had the meanings 'model' and
'pattern' at the time of Old French, which were later also found in
Middle Latin.



They developed out of a metaphorical use of the word patron, because the
pattern form is the father form, on which the emergence of something
else is modelled and the father is the model of the son. Patron
found its way into the German dialects and various technical
languages, so that at the end of the 16th century the word, in the meaning
'Musterform', also referred to the quantity of gunpowder required for a
charge in a case first made from paper, then from metal, before it subsequently
stood for the entire charge prepared in this way.



The term was then also applied to modern projectiles, which had a
case, a propellant charge and an igniter. The external resemblance to
these is ultimately what caused the designation of containers for 35mm
films and ink for fountain pens as Patrone, which emerged in the
20th century.




German source: Wiktionary - Patrone




Patrone ist eine seit dem 17. Jahrhundert existierende Form des
Maskulinums Patron (Form, Muster, Modell). Dieses wurde vom
französischen patron übernommen, welches seinerseits aus dem
lateinischen patronus entlehnt wurde. Das französische Wort wies
außer den aus dem Lateinischen und Mittellateinischen stammenden
Bedeutungen ‚Schutzherr‘ und ‚Schutzheiliger‘ schon zur Zeit des
Altfranzösischen die Bedeutungen ‚Modell‘ und ‚Muster‘ auf, die sich
später auch im Mittellateinischen fanden.



Sie entwickelten sich aus einem bildlichen Gebrauch des Wortes
Schutzherr heraus, weil die Musterform die Vaterform ist, an der sich
die Entstehung von etwas anderem orientiert und der Vater das Vorbild
des Sohnes ist. Patron fand im Deutschen Eingang in die Mundarten und
diverse Fachsprachen, so dass das Wort in der Bedeutung ‚Musterform‘
am Ende des 16. Jahrhunderts auch die für eine Ladung benötigte Menge
Schießpulvers in einer zuerst papiernen, später metallenen Hülse
bezeichnete, bevor es in der Folge für die ganze so vorbereitete
Ladung stand.



Sodann wurde der Begriff ebenfalls auf die modernen Geschosse, die
über Hülse, Treibladung und Zünder verfügen, übertragen. Der äußeren
Ähnlichkeit mit diesen ist schlussendlich die Bezeichnung von
Behältnissen für Kleinbildfilme und Tinte für Füller als Patrone
geschuldet, die im 20. Jahrhundert aufkam.







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  • There is a quote markup for quotes, please use it in the future

    – Adrian
    May 14 at 17:39







  • 1





    Since the question was asked in English you should provide a translation of the quote.

    – infinitezero
    May 14 at 18:04











  • @infinitezero - added translation draft.

    – help-info.de
    May 15 at 7:09











  • Thank you @help-info.de for your thorough answer. Very interesting.

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:20
















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A cartridge (in German "Patrone" from French Patron for form, pattern, model) combines the components necessary to fire a bullet (projectile or grenade) from a firearm into one unit. The unit cartridge (in German "Einheitspatrone") usually consists of a case, primer, propellant charge and projectile. Historical cartridges do not make this unit.



Google Books Ngram Viewer



Further information:




Patrone is a form of the masculine Patron (form, pattern, model)
existing since the 17th century. It was taken from the French
patron, which in turn was borrowed from the Latin patronus. In
addition to the Latin and Middle Latin meanings of 'patron saint' and
'patron saint', the French word already had the meanings 'model' and
'pattern' at the time of Old French, which were later also found in
Middle Latin.



They developed out of a metaphorical use of the word patron, because the
pattern form is the father form, on which the emergence of something
else is modelled and the father is the model of the son. Patron
found its way into the German dialects and various technical
languages, so that at the end of the 16th century the word, in the meaning
'Musterform', also referred to the quantity of gunpowder required for a
charge in a case first made from paper, then from metal, before it subsequently
stood for the entire charge prepared in this way.



The term was then also applied to modern projectiles, which had a
case, a propellant charge and an igniter. The external resemblance to
these is ultimately what caused the designation of containers for 35mm
films and ink for fountain pens as Patrone, which emerged in the
20th century.




German source: Wiktionary - Patrone




Patrone ist eine seit dem 17. Jahrhundert existierende Form des
Maskulinums Patron (Form, Muster, Modell). Dieses wurde vom
französischen patron übernommen, welches seinerseits aus dem
lateinischen patronus entlehnt wurde. Das französische Wort wies
außer den aus dem Lateinischen und Mittellateinischen stammenden
Bedeutungen ‚Schutzherr‘ und ‚Schutzheiliger‘ schon zur Zeit des
Altfranzösischen die Bedeutungen ‚Modell‘ und ‚Muster‘ auf, die sich
später auch im Mittellateinischen fanden.



Sie entwickelten sich aus einem bildlichen Gebrauch des Wortes
Schutzherr heraus, weil die Musterform die Vaterform ist, an der sich
die Entstehung von etwas anderem orientiert und der Vater das Vorbild
des Sohnes ist. Patron fand im Deutschen Eingang in die Mundarten und
diverse Fachsprachen, so dass das Wort in der Bedeutung ‚Musterform‘
am Ende des 16. Jahrhunderts auch die für eine Ladung benötigte Menge
Schießpulvers in einer zuerst papiernen, später metallenen Hülse
bezeichnete, bevor es in der Folge für die ganze so vorbereitete
Ladung stand.



Sodann wurde der Begriff ebenfalls auf die modernen Geschosse, die
über Hülse, Treibladung und Zünder verfügen, übertragen. Der äußeren
Ähnlichkeit mit diesen ist schlussendlich die Bezeichnung von
Behältnissen für Kleinbildfilme und Tinte für Füller als Patrone
geschuldet, die im 20. Jahrhundert aufkam.







share|improve this answer

























  • There is a quote markup for quotes, please use it in the future

    – Adrian
    May 14 at 17:39







  • 1





    Since the question was asked in English you should provide a translation of the quote.

    – infinitezero
    May 14 at 18:04











  • @infinitezero - added translation draft.

    – help-info.de
    May 15 at 7:09











  • Thank you @help-info.de for your thorough answer. Very interesting.

    – Easymode44
    May 16 at 10:20














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A cartridge (in German "Patrone" from French Patron for form, pattern, model) combines the components necessary to fire a bullet (projectile or grenade) from a firearm into one unit. The unit cartridge (in German "Einheitspatrone") usually consists of a case, primer, propellant charge and projectile. Historical cartridges do not make this unit.



Google Books Ngram Viewer



Further information:




Patrone is a form of the masculine Patron (form, pattern, model)
existing since the 17th century. It was taken from the French
patron, which in turn was borrowed from the Latin patronus. In
addition to the Latin and Middle Latin meanings of 'patron saint' and
'patron saint', the French word already had the meanings 'model' and
'pattern' at the time of Old French, which were later also found in
Middle Latin.



They developed out of a metaphorical use of the word patron, because the
pattern form is the father form, on which the emergence of something
else is modelled and the father is the model of the son. Patron
found its way into the German dialects and various technical
languages, so that at the end of the 16th century the word, in the meaning
'Musterform', also referred to the quantity of gunpowder required for a
charge in a case first made from paper, then from metal, before it subsequently
stood for the entire charge prepared in this way.



The term was then also applied to modern projectiles, which had a
case, a propellant charge and an igniter. The external resemblance to
these is ultimately what caused the designation of containers for 35mm
films and ink for fountain pens as Patrone, which emerged in the
20th century.




German source: Wiktionary - Patrone




Patrone ist eine seit dem 17. Jahrhundert existierende Form des
Maskulinums Patron (Form, Muster, Modell). Dieses wurde vom
französischen patron übernommen, welches seinerseits aus dem
lateinischen patronus entlehnt wurde. Das französische Wort wies
außer den aus dem Lateinischen und Mittellateinischen stammenden
Bedeutungen ‚Schutzherr‘ und ‚Schutzheiliger‘ schon zur Zeit des
Altfranzösischen die Bedeutungen ‚Modell‘ und ‚Muster‘ auf, die sich
später auch im Mittellateinischen fanden.



Sie entwickelten sich aus einem bildlichen Gebrauch des Wortes
Schutzherr heraus, weil die Musterform die Vaterform ist, an der sich
die Entstehung von etwas anderem orientiert und der Vater das Vorbild
des Sohnes ist. Patron fand im Deutschen Eingang in die Mundarten und
diverse Fachsprachen, so dass das Wort in der Bedeutung ‚Musterform‘
am Ende des 16. Jahrhunderts auch die für eine Ladung benötigte Menge
Schießpulvers in einer zuerst papiernen, später metallenen Hülse
bezeichnete, bevor es in der Folge für die ganze so vorbereitete
Ladung stand.



Sodann wurde der Begriff ebenfalls auf die modernen Geschosse, die
über Hülse, Treibladung und Zünder verfügen, übertragen. Der äußeren
Ähnlichkeit mit diesen ist schlussendlich die Bezeichnung von
Behältnissen für Kleinbildfilme und Tinte für Füller als Patrone
geschuldet, die im 20. Jahrhundert aufkam.







share|improve this answer















A cartridge (in German "Patrone" from French Patron for form, pattern, model) combines the components necessary to fire a bullet (projectile or grenade) from a firearm into one unit. The unit cartridge (in German "Einheitspatrone") usually consists of a case, primer, propellant charge and projectile. Historical cartridges do not make this unit.



Google Books Ngram Viewer



Further information:




Patrone is a form of the masculine Patron (form, pattern, model)
existing since the 17th century. It was taken from the French
patron, which in turn was borrowed from the Latin patronus. In
addition to the Latin and Middle Latin meanings of 'patron saint' and
'patron saint', the French word already had the meanings 'model' and
'pattern' at the time of Old French, which were later also found in
Middle Latin.



They developed out of a metaphorical use of the word patron, because the
pattern form is the father form, on which the emergence of something
else is modelled and the father is the model of the son. Patron
found its way into the German dialects and various technical
languages, so that at the end of the 16th century the word, in the meaning
'Musterform', also referred to the quantity of gunpowder required for a
charge in a case first made from paper, then from metal, before it subsequently
stood for the entire charge prepared in this way.



The term was then also applied to modern projectiles, which had a
case, a propellant charge and an igniter. The external resemblance to
these is ultimately what caused the designation of containers for 35mm
films and ink for fountain pens as Patrone, which emerged in the
20th century.




German source: Wiktionary - Patrone




Patrone ist eine seit dem 17. Jahrhundert existierende Form des
Maskulinums Patron (Form, Muster, Modell). Dieses wurde vom
französischen patron übernommen, welches seinerseits aus dem
lateinischen patronus entlehnt wurde. Das französische Wort wies
außer den aus dem Lateinischen und Mittellateinischen stammenden
Bedeutungen ‚Schutzherr‘ und ‚Schutzheiliger‘ schon zur Zeit des
Altfranzösischen die Bedeutungen ‚Modell‘ und ‚Muster‘ auf, die sich
später auch im Mittellateinischen fanden.



Sie entwickelten sich aus einem bildlichen Gebrauch des Wortes
Schutzherr heraus, weil die Musterform die Vaterform ist, an der sich
die Entstehung von etwas anderem orientiert und der Vater das Vorbild
des Sohnes ist. Patron fand im Deutschen Eingang in die Mundarten und
diverse Fachsprachen, so dass das Wort in der Bedeutung ‚Musterform‘
am Ende des 16. Jahrhunderts auch die für eine Ladung benötigte Menge
Schießpulvers in einer zuerst papiernen, später metallenen Hülse
bezeichnete, bevor es in der Folge für die ganze so vorbereitete
Ladung stand.



Sodann wurde der Begriff ebenfalls auf die modernen Geschosse, die
über Hülse, Treibladung und Zünder verfügen, übertragen. Der äußeren
Ähnlichkeit mit diesen ist schlussendlich die Bezeichnung von
Behältnissen für Kleinbildfilme und Tinte für Füller als Patrone
geschuldet, die im 20. Jahrhundert aufkam.








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  • There is a quote markup for quotes, please use it in the future

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There is a quote markup for quotes, please use it in the future

– Adrian
May 14 at 17:39






There is a quote markup for quotes, please use it in the future

– Adrian
May 14 at 17:39





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Since the question was asked in English you should provide a translation of the quote.

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Since the question was asked in English you should provide a translation of the quote.

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May 14 at 18:04













@infinitezero - added translation draft.

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@infinitezero - added translation draft.

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