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Can a warlock with the Raven Queen patron have their raven Help against an enemy, then perch on their shoulder to avoid being harmed?

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The Raven Queen warlock patron (from Unearthed Arcana: Warlock & Wizard) grants the Sentinel Raven feature at 1st level, part of which says:

While perched on your shoulder, the raven can’t be targeted by any attack or other harmful effect; only you can cast spells on it; it can’t take damage; and it is incapacitated.

[...]

In combat, you roll initiative for the raven and control how it acts. If it is slain by a creature, you gain advantage on all attack rolls against the killer for the next 24 hours.

Can you have the Sentinel Raven start out perched on your shoulder and then, on its turn, have it lift off your shoulder, use the Help action to give you advantage on an attack, and then perch on your shoulder again? This would make it unable to be targeted or damaged, but still give you (the warlock) advantage on your next attack.

Am I correctly interpreting the rules here? Is it possible to have the Sentinel Raven start perched so it can't be harmed, Help on its turn, and perch again at the end of its turn?

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  Fairly certain that the Raven Queen Warlock was deprecated when XGtE came out and didn’t include it.
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  @nick012000: Indeed, it's unlikely to be published without major changes and going through UA again.
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The Raven Queen warlock patron (from Unearthed Arcana: Warlock & Wizard) grants the Sentinel Raven feature at 1st level, part of which says:

While perched on your shoulder, the raven can’t be targeted by any attack or other harmful effect; only you can cast spells on it; it can’t take damage; and it is incapacitated.

[...]

In combat, you roll initiative for the raven and control how it acts. If it is slain by a creature, you gain advantage on all attack rolls against the killer for the next 24 hours.

Can you have the Sentinel Raven start out perched on your shoulder and then, on its turn, have it lift off your shoulder, use the Help action to give you advantage on an attack, and then perch on your shoulder again? This would make it unable to be targeted or damaged, but still give you (the warlock) advantage on your next attack.

Am I correctly interpreting the rules here? Is it possible to have the Sentinel Raven start perched so it can't be harmed, Help on its turn, and perch again at the end of its turn?

dnd-5e class-feature warlock immunities helping

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edited May 31 at 2:14

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  Thanks for pointing that out, adjusted.
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  Fairly certain that the Raven Queen Warlock was deprecated when XGtE came out and didn’t include it.
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  @nick012000: Indeed, it's unlikely to be published without major changes and going through UA again.
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The Raven Queen warlock patron (from Unearthed Arcana: Warlock & Wizard) grants the Sentinel Raven feature at 1st level, part of which says:

While perched on your shoulder, the raven can’t be targeted by any attack or other harmful effect; only you can cast spells on it; it can’t take damage; and it is incapacitated.

[...]

In combat, you roll initiative for the raven and control how it acts. If it is slain by a creature, you gain advantage on all attack rolls against the killer for the next 24 hours.

Can you have the Sentinel Raven start out perched on your shoulder and then, on its turn, have it lift off your shoulder, use the Help action to give you advantage on an attack, and then perch on your shoulder again? This would make it unable to be targeted or damaged, but still give you (the warlock) advantage on your next attack.

Am I correctly interpreting the rules here? Is it possible to have the Sentinel Raven start perched so it can't be harmed, Help on its turn, and perch again at the end of its turn?

dnd-5e class-feature warlock immunities helping

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Yes...

At the time of this answer, the Raven Queen patron is an Unearthed Arcana option and so it is subject to change if and when it is ever released in an official addition.

Given this preface, yes, you can use the raven as you describe. However, the raven has its own initiative which means the advantage granted by its Help action could be used up by another player before the Warlock's turn. If this is not the case (or the DM has it act at the same time as your character), you are free to use the advantage for yourself.

Do note that the raven does not possess the Flyby trait that an owl has, which means you have to be careful to only use its Help action against a target that has already used its reaction (unless you are within the enemy's reach). Otherwise, you risk losing the raven to an attack of opportunity when it flies back to perch on your shoulder. (Hat tip V2Blast)

Also, note that while the raven spirit functions like a familiar (which can use its action to Help the controlling character & player), critically, it is not a familiar (at no point is it called a familiar and it is not summoned using the Find Familiar spell). This means that if, at level 3, you also take the Pact of the Chain, you could have 2 creatures that fly around and Help you/other players.

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  You might want to link to this question in your mention of the advantage being used before the warlock's turn: Do I choose the target or the ally for the Help action? Also, it's worth noting that the Raven doesn't have the Flyby trait, so if it has to fly out of an enemy's reach after it Helps to land on your shoulder, it'll likely get hit and die to an opportunity attack after the first time it does this - unless you're next to the enemy already.
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  Thank you very much for the descriptive answer as well as the warning for the flyby feature, that is very useful to know. I was very curious because I am making a Shadow Ninja hybrid class and wondering what patron to use, I was between Hexblade and Raven Queen, Raven Queen approved by GM even though it is not in the book.
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  @DerreckFrost not sure if you've chosen yet, but worthwhile to note that UA classes are NOT tuned for multiclassing. Is your DM aware and okay with that?
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Yes...

At the time of this answer, the Raven Queen patron is an Unearthed Arcana option and so it is subject to change if and when it is ever released in an official addition.

Given this preface, yes, you can use the raven as you describe. However, the raven has its own initiative which means the advantage granted by its Help action could be used up by another player before the Warlock's turn. If this is not the case (or the DM has it act at the same time as your character), you are free to use the advantage for yourself.

Do note that the raven does not possess the Flyby trait that an owl has, which means you have to be careful to only use its Help action against a target that has already used its reaction (unless you are within the enemy's reach). Otherwise, you risk losing the raven to an attack of opportunity when it flies back to perch on your shoulder. (Hat tip V2Blast)

Also, note that while the raven spirit functions like a familiar (which can use its action to Help the controlling character & player), critically, it is not a familiar (at no point is it called a familiar and it is not summoned using the Find Familiar spell). This means that if, at level 3, you also take the Pact of the Chain, you could have 2 creatures that fly around and Help you/other players.

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  You might want to link to this question in your mention of the advantage being used before the warlock's turn: Do I choose the target or the ally for the Help action? Also, it's worth noting that the Raven doesn't have the Flyby trait, so if it has to fly out of an enemy's reach after it Helps to land on your shoulder, it'll likely get hit and die to an opportunity attack after the first time it does this - unless you're next to the enemy already.
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  – V2Blast♦
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  Thank you very much for the descriptive answer as well as the warning for the flyby feature, that is very useful to know. I was very curious because I am making a Shadow Ninja hybrid class and wondering what patron to use, I was between Hexblade and Raven Queen, Raven Queen approved by GM even though it is not in the book.
  $endgroup$
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  @DerreckFrost not sure if you've chosen yet, but worthwhile to note that UA classes are NOT tuned for multiclassing. Is your DM aware and okay with that?
  $endgroup$
  – NautArch
  May 31 at 19:45
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

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Yes...

At the time of this answer, the Raven Queen patron is an Unearthed Arcana option and so it is subject to change if and when it is ever released in an official addition.

Given this preface, yes, you can use the raven as you describe. However, the raven has its own initiative which means the advantage granted by its Help action could be used up by another player before the Warlock's turn. If this is not the case (or the DM has it act at the same time as your character), you are free to use the advantage for yourself.

Do note that the raven does not possess the Flyby trait that an owl has, which means you have to be careful to only use its Help action against a target that has already used its reaction (unless you are within the enemy's reach). Otherwise, you risk losing the raven to an attack of opportunity when it flies back to perch on your shoulder. (Hat tip V2Blast)

Also, note that while the raven spirit functions like a familiar (which can use its action to Help the controlling character & player), critically, it is not a familiar (at no point is it called a familiar and it is not summoned using the Find Familiar spell). This means that if, at level 3, you also take the Pact of the Chain, you could have 2 creatures that fly around and Help you/other players.

share|improve this answer

edited May 31 at 5:14

answered May 31 at 1:19

RykaraRykara

8,3572665

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  You might want to link to this question in your mention of the advantage being used before the warlock's turn: Do I choose the target or the ally for the Help action? Also, it's worth noting that the Raven doesn't have the Flyby trait, so if it has to fly out of an enemy's reach after it Helps to land on your shoulder, it'll likely get hit and die to an opportunity attack after the first time it does this - unless you're next to the enemy already.
  $endgroup$
  – V2Blast♦
  May 31 at 2:19
  

  
  
  
  


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  Thank you very much for the descriptive answer as well as the warning for the flyby feature, that is very useful to know. I was very curious because I am making a Shadow Ninja hybrid class and wondering what patron to use, I was between Hexblade and Raven Queen, Raven Queen approved by GM even though it is not in the book.
  $endgroup$
  – Derreck Frost
  May 31 at 3:59
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @DerreckFrost not sure if you've chosen yet, but worthwhile to note that UA classes are NOT tuned for multiclassing. Is your DM aware and okay with that?
  $endgroup$
  – NautArch
  May 31 at 19:45
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

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Yes...

At the time of this answer, the Raven Queen patron is an Unearthed Arcana option and so it is subject to change if and when it is ever released in an official addition.

Given this preface, yes, you can use the raven as you describe. However, the raven has its own initiative which means the advantage granted by its Help action could be used up by another player before the Warlock's turn. If this is not the case (or the DM has it act at the same time as your character), you are free to use the advantage for yourself.

Do note that the raven does not possess the Flyby trait that an owl has, which means you have to be careful to only use its Help action against a target that has already used its reaction (unless you are within the enemy's reach). Otherwise, you risk losing the raven to an attack of opportunity when it flies back to perch on your shoulder. (Hat tip V2Blast)

Also, note that while the raven spirit functions like a familiar (which can use its action to Help the controlling character & player), critically, it is not a familiar (at no point is it called a familiar and it is not summoned using the Find Familiar spell). This means that if, at level 3, you also take the Pact of the Chain, you could have 2 creatures that fly around and Help you/other players.

share|improve this answer

edited May 31 at 5:14

answered May 31 at 1:19

RykaraRykara

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share|improve this answer

edited May 31 at 5:14

answered May 31 at 1:19

RykaraRykara

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answered May 31 at 1:19

RykaraRykara

8,3572665

answered May 31 at 1:19

RykaraRykara

8,3572665