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I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.
What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?



(40R in series gives a full tank showing '3/4 full' on the dial: Still not ideal!).




So, a great suggestion from Transistor (below). I think I'll change R4 in his/her Figure 1 to a constant current source since car volts can vary quite a lot!



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I believe the value for R3 (above) will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?



Update: Yes, this works nicely, gauge now goes from full to zero. I put R3 on a little trimmer - 720R for 1.6mA. Many thanks transistor!










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    If you want to modify what you have, you need to know the full details on the gauge.
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    Find a different gauge or a different sensor. Are they aftermarket units? Can they be reworked?
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    It may be the best you can do easily without changing the gauge. Empty is the important point on the dial anyway.
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    Measurements show it to be a linear pot, 20ohms at one end, 200 at the other (110 in the middle). It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions.
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    A digital gauge without adjustable settings for empty and full sounds like a underwhelming digital gauge.
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I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.
What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?



(40R in series gives a full tank showing '3/4 full' on the dial: Still not ideal!).




So, a great suggestion from Transistor (below). I think I'll change R4 in his/her Figure 1 to a constant current source since car volts can vary quite a lot!



enter image description here



I believe the value for R3 (above) will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?



Update: Yes, this works nicely, gauge now goes from full to zero. I put R3 on a little trimmer - 720R for 1.6mA. Many thanks transistor!










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    If you want to modify what you have, you need to know the full details on the gauge.
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    – Charles Cowie
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    Find a different gauge or a different sensor. Are they aftermarket units? Can they be reworked?
    $endgroup$
    – TimWescott
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    It may be the best you can do easily without changing the gauge. Empty is the important point on the dial anyway.
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    Measurements show it to be a linear pot, 20ohms at one end, 200 at the other (110 in the middle). It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions.
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    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 15:25






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    A digital gauge without adjustable settings for empty and full sounds like a underwhelming digital gauge.
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    – Nick Alexeev
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I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.
What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?



(40R in series gives a full tank showing '3/4 full' on the dial: Still not ideal!).




So, a great suggestion from Transistor (below). I think I'll change R4 in his/her Figure 1 to a constant current source since car volts can vary quite a lot!



enter image description here



I believe the value for R3 (above) will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?



Update: Yes, this works nicely, gauge now goes from full to zero. I put R3 on a little trimmer - 720R for 1.6mA. Many thanks transistor!










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I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.
What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?



(40R in series gives a full tank showing '3/4 full' on the dial: Still not ideal!).




So, a great suggestion from Transistor (below). I think I'll change R4 in his/her Figure 1 to a constant current source since car volts can vary quite a lot!



enter image description here



I believe the value for R3 (above) will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?



Update: Yes, this works nicely, gauge now goes from full to zero. I put R3 on a little trimmer - 720R for 1.6mA. Many thanks transistor!







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    If you want to modify what you have, you need to know the full details on the gauge.
    $endgroup$
    – Charles Cowie
    May 30 at 14:47










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    Find a different gauge or a different sensor. Are they aftermarket units? Can they be reworked?
    $endgroup$
    – TimWescott
    May 30 at 14:48






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    It may be the best you can do easily without changing the gauge. Empty is the important point on the dial anyway.
    $endgroup$
    – Spehro Pefhany
    May 30 at 14:52






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    Measurements show it to be a linear pot, 20ohms at one end, 200 at the other (110 in the middle). It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions.
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 15:25






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    A digital gauge without adjustable settings for empty and full sounds like a underwhelming digital gauge.
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    If you want to modify what you have, you need to know the full details on the gauge.
    $endgroup$
    – Charles Cowie
    May 30 at 14:47










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    Find a different gauge or a different sensor. Are they aftermarket units? Can they be reworked?
    $endgroup$
    – TimWescott
    May 30 at 14:48






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    $begingroup$
    It may be the best you can do easily without changing the gauge. Empty is the important point on the dial anyway.
    $endgroup$
    – Spehro Pefhany
    May 30 at 14:52






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    $begingroup$
    Measurements show it to be a linear pot, 20ohms at one end, 200 at the other (110 in the middle). It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions.
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 15:25






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    A digital gauge without adjustable settings for empty and full sounds like a underwhelming digital gauge.
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    – Nick Alexeev
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If you want to modify what you have, you need to know the full details on the gauge.
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– Charles Cowie
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If you want to modify what you have, you need to know the full details on the gauge.
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May 30 at 14:47












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Find a different gauge or a different sensor. Are they aftermarket units? Can they be reworked?
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– TimWescott
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Find a different gauge or a different sensor. Are they aftermarket units? Can they be reworked?
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It may be the best you can do easily without changing the gauge. Empty is the important point on the dial anyway.
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It may be the best you can do easily without changing the gauge. Empty is the important point on the dial anyway.
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Measurements show it to be a linear pot, 20ohms at one end, 200 at the other (110 in the middle). It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions.
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Measurements show it to be a linear pot, 20ohms at one end, 200 at the other (110 in the middle). It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions.
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A digital gauge without adjustable settings for empty and full sounds like a underwhelming digital gauge.
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I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.




Status Spec. Actual Reading Voltage
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Full 20 Ω 20 Ω 100% 160 mV
Empty 240 Ω 200 Ω 25% 1600 mV
Required voltage 1920 mV




schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



Figure 1. (a) What you've got. (b) The voltage reading can be boosted to the correct level by feeding an extra 1.6 mA through the sensor. (c) A simple current source based on 12 V supply and 1920 mV for empty.




What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?




R4 looks simple to me.



I suspect that the 8 mA source is constant current so that the gauge doesn't fluctuate with revving of the engine (other than that gradual downward trend as you burn up the earth's carbon fuel reserves). To avoid R4 introducing variation you might want to feed it from a stable voltage source - as high as you reasonably can - and recalculate for your new voltage.



At full the extra 1.6 mA will increase the voltage through the 20 Ω by 32 mV. On a span of (1920 - 160 =) 1760 mV this represents an error of 36 / 1760 = 2% so with a full tank it will read about 98%. This should be acceptable.






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    That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
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    Rather than regulating the voltage for R4, I can just add a transistor to make a constant-current source, I think?
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    Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
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    So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
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I think the easiest way would be just getting a new variable resistor. You could use a transistor to switch in an extra resistance but potentiometers are pretty cheap, so swapping out would be the easiest option.






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    indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
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    Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
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    That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
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Per your comment "It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions", you don't actually need to make it "look like a resistor" from the gauge's point of view - you can just provide the gauge with a low-impedance voltage source, where that voltage is a linear function of the sensor resistance. A fairly straightforward op amp circuit should do the trick. You'll want to output a voltage that's 20*.008=0.16 V at one end of the scale and 240*.008=1.920 V at the other end of the scale.






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    Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
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There's no easy way to do it, anyway. You could add a 20ohm fixed in series with a 20-220 ohm sensor, to give 40-240. Not quite full, but empty would be empty.



If the sender truly is 20-200, something is wrong for the gauge to expect 240. Bend the float arm up?



Are you sure true fuel "empty" is the full travel of the sensor? The simple solution is to add fixed resistance to achieve true empty, and just recognize that 90% represents full.



It's doubtful the gauge will respond in a perfectly linear fashion anyway, unless your gas tank is a perfect square or vertical cylinder.






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    I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.




    Status Spec. Actual Reading Voltage
    ------------------------------------------
    Full 20 Ω 20 Ω 100% 160 mV
    Empty 240 Ω 200 Ω 25% 1600 mV
    Required voltage 1920 mV




    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Figure 1. (a) What you've got. (b) The voltage reading can be boosted to the correct level by feeding an extra 1.6 mA through the sensor. (c) A simple current source based on 12 V supply and 1920 mV for empty.




    What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?




    R4 looks simple to me.



    I suspect that the 8 mA source is constant current so that the gauge doesn't fluctuate with revving of the engine (other than that gradual downward trend as you burn up the earth's carbon fuel reserves). To avoid R4 introducing variation you might want to feed it from a stable voltage source - as high as you reasonably can - and recalculate for your new voltage.



    At full the extra 1.6 mA will increase the voltage through the 20 Ω by 32 mV. On a span of (1920 - 160 =) 1760 mV this represents an error of 36 / 1760 = 2% so with a full tank it will read about 98%. This should be acceptable.






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      That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
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      Rather than regulating the voltage for R4, I can just add a transistor to make a constant-current source, I think?
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      Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
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      So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
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    I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.




    Status Spec. Actual Reading Voltage
    ------------------------------------------
    Full 20 Ω 20 Ω 100% 160 mV
    Empty 240 Ω 200 Ω 25% 1600 mV
    Required voltage 1920 mV




    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Figure 1. (a) What you've got. (b) The voltage reading can be boosted to the correct level by feeding an extra 1.6 mA through the sensor. (c) A simple current source based on 12 V supply and 1920 mV for empty.




    What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?




    R4 looks simple to me.



    I suspect that the 8 mA source is constant current so that the gauge doesn't fluctuate with revving of the engine (other than that gradual downward trend as you burn up the earth's carbon fuel reserves). To avoid R4 introducing variation you might want to feed it from a stable voltage source - as high as you reasonably can - and recalculate for your new voltage.



    At full the extra 1.6 mA will increase the voltage through the 20 Ω by 32 mV. On a span of (1920 - 160 =) 1760 mV this represents an error of 36 / 1760 = 2% so with a full tank it will read about 98%. This should be acceptable.






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      That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
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      Rather than regulating the voltage for R4, I can just add a transistor to make a constant-current source, I think?
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      May 31 at 7:11










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      Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
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      So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
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    I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.




    Status Spec. Actual Reading Voltage
    ------------------------------------------
    Full 20 Ω 20 Ω 100% 160 mV
    Empty 240 Ω 200 Ω 25% 1600 mV
    Required voltage 1920 mV




    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Figure 1. (a) What you've got. (b) The voltage reading can be boosted to the correct level by feeding an extra 1.6 mA through the sensor. (c) A simple current source based on 12 V supply and 1920 mV for empty.




    What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?




    R4 looks simple to me.



    I suspect that the 8 mA source is constant current so that the gauge doesn't fluctuate with revving of the engine (other than that gradual downward trend as you burn up the earth's carbon fuel reserves). To avoid R4 introducing variation you might want to feed it from a stable voltage source - as high as you reasonably can - and recalculate for your new voltage.



    At full the extra 1.6 mA will increase the voltage through the 20 Ω by 32 mV. On a span of (1920 - 160 =) 1760 mV this represents an error of 36 / 1760 = 2% so with a full tank it will read about 98%. This should be acceptable.






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    I have a fuel sender in my kit car that goes from 20R to earth (full) to 200R (empty). Unfortunately the gauge (constant current source, measuring resistance to earth?) expects empty to be 240 ohms, so displays '1/4 full' when empty.




    Status Spec. Actual Reading Voltage
    ------------------------------------------
    Full 20 Ω 20 Ω 100% 160 mV
    Empty 240 Ω 200 Ω 25% 1600 mV
    Required voltage 1920 mV




    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Figure 1. (a) What you've got. (b) The voltage reading can be boosted to the correct level by feeding an extra 1.6 mA through the sensor. (c) A simple current source based on 12 V supply and 1920 mV for empty.




    What is the simplest analogue way to make 20-200R look like 20-240R?




    R4 looks simple to me.



    I suspect that the 8 mA source is constant current so that the gauge doesn't fluctuate with revving of the engine (other than that gradual downward trend as you burn up the earth's carbon fuel reserves). To avoid R4 introducing variation you might want to feed it from a stable voltage source - as high as you reasonably can - and recalculate for your new voltage.



    At full the extra 1.6 mA will increase the voltage through the 20 Ω by 32 mV. On a span of (1920 - 160 =) 1760 mV this represents an error of 36 / 1760 = 2% so with a full tank it will read about 98%. This should be acceptable.







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      That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
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      Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
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      So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
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      That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
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      Rather than regulating the voltage for R4, I can just add a transistor to make a constant-current source, I think?
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      Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
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      So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
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    That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
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    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 20:14




    $begingroup$
    That looks just the ticket! I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
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    $begingroup$
    Rather than regulating the voltage for R4, I can just add a transistor to make a constant-current source, I think?
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 31 at 7:11




    $begingroup$
    Rather than regulating the voltage for R4, I can just add a transistor to make a constant-current source, I think?
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 31 at 7:11












    $begingroup$
    Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
    $endgroup$
    – Transistor
    May 31 at 7:15




    $begingroup$
    Sure. Post a schematic as an update to your question (referencing my answer) and we'll review it. I've updated the answer with an error calculation.
    $endgroup$
    – Transistor
    May 31 at 7:15












    $begingroup$
    So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 31 at 8:55




    $begingroup$
    So, a great suggestion from Transistor (above). If I change R4 to a constant current source: Transistor's suggestion, with a constant current source since car Volts can vary quite a lot! I believe the value for R3 will be fairly independent of the transistor specs?
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
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    I think the easiest way would be just getting a new variable resistor. You could use a transistor to switch in an extra resistance but potentiometers are pretty cheap, so swapping out would be the easiest option.






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      indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
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      – DKNguyen
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      Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
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      – pericynthion
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      @pericynthion However, the entire fuel level sensor may be a replaceable item.
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      – TimWescott
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      That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
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    I think the easiest way would be just getting a new variable resistor. You could use a transistor to switch in an extra resistance but potentiometers are pretty cheap, so swapping out would be the easiest option.






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    • $begingroup$
      indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
      $endgroup$
      – DKNguyen
      May 30 at 14:45







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      $begingroup$
      Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
      $endgroup$
      – pericynthion
      May 30 at 16:37










    • $begingroup$
      @pericynthion However, the entire fuel level sensor may be a replaceable item.
      $endgroup$
      – TimWescott
      May 30 at 16:38






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      $begingroup$
      That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
      $endgroup$
      – Stuart Leask
      May 30 at 17:31













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    I think the easiest way would be just getting a new variable resistor. You could use a transistor to switch in an extra resistance but potentiometers are pretty cheap, so swapping out would be the easiest option.






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    $endgroup$



    I think the easiest way would be just getting a new variable resistor. You could use a transistor to switch in an extra resistance but potentiometers are pretty cheap, so swapping out would be the easiest option.







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    • $begingroup$
      indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
      $endgroup$
      – DKNguyen
      May 30 at 14:45







    • 1




      $begingroup$
      Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
      $endgroup$
      – pericynthion
      May 30 at 16:37










    • $begingroup$
      @pericynthion However, the entire fuel level sensor may be a replaceable item.
      $endgroup$
      – TimWescott
      May 30 at 16:38






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
      $endgroup$
      – Stuart Leask
      May 30 at 17:31
















    • $begingroup$
      indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
      $endgroup$
      – DKNguyen
      May 30 at 14:45







    • 1




      $begingroup$
      Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
      $endgroup$
      – pericynthion
      May 30 at 16:37










    • $begingroup$
      @pericynthion However, the entire fuel level sensor may be a replaceable item.
      $endgroup$
      – TimWescott
      May 30 at 16:38






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
      $endgroup$
      – Stuart Leask
      May 30 at 17:31















    $begingroup$
    indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
    $endgroup$
    – DKNguyen
    May 30 at 14:45





    $begingroup$
    indeed. its a gas gauge so you want some semblance of linearity and simple solutions will not provide that. that would require transistors to amplify and offset a voltage tuned by the pot and then used to drive a voltage controlled resistor.
    $endgroup$
    – DKNguyen
    May 30 at 14:45





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    $begingroup$
    Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
    $endgroup$
    – pericynthion
    May 30 at 16:37




    $begingroup$
    Since the potentiometer is an integral part of a fuel level sensor, it may not be practical either to find a suitable replacement or to get access to replace it.
    $endgroup$
    – pericynthion
    May 30 at 16:37












    $begingroup$
    @pericynthion However, the entire fuel level sensor may be a replaceable item.
    $endgroup$
    – TimWescott
    May 30 at 16:38




    $begingroup$
    @pericynthion However, the entire fuel level sensor may be a replaceable item.
    $endgroup$
    – TimWescott
    May 30 at 16:38




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    $begingroup$
    That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 17:31




    $begingroup$
    That's where this started - the original ran from 70-140 ohms, so I replaced with an unused item, that still is clearly some way off spec!
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 17:31











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    Per your comment "It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions", you don't actually need to make it "look like a resistor" from the gauge's point of view - you can just provide the gauge with a low-impedance voltage source, where that voltage is a linear function of the sensor resistance. A fairly straightforward op amp circuit should do the trick. You'll want to output a voltage that's 20*.008=0.16 V at one end of the scale and 240*.008=1.920 V at the other end of the scale.






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      Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
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    Per your comment "It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions", you don't actually need to make it "look like a resistor" from the gauge's point of view - you can just provide the gauge with a low-impedance voltage source, where that voltage is a linear function of the sensor resistance. A fairly straightforward op amp circuit should do the trick. You'll want to output a voltage that's 20*.008=0.16 V at one end of the scale and 240*.008=1.920 V at the other end of the scale.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$












    • $begingroup$
      Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
      $endgroup$
      – Stuart Leask
      May 30 at 16:40













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    $begingroup$

    Per your comment "It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions", you don't actually need to make it "look like a resistor" from the gauge's point of view - you can just provide the gauge with a low-impedance voltage source, where that voltage is a linear function of the sensor resistance. A fairly straightforward op amp circuit should do the trick. You'll want to output a voltage that's 20*.008=0.16 V at one end of the scale and 240*.008=1.920 V at the other end of the scale.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Per your comment "It's a digital gauge that runs about 8mA into the resistor in all positions", you don't actually need to make it "look like a resistor" from the gauge's point of view - you can just provide the gauge with a low-impedance voltage source, where that voltage is a linear function of the sensor resistance. A fairly straightforward op amp circuit should do the trick. You'll want to output a voltage that's 20*.008=0.16 V at one end of the scale and 240*.008=1.920 V at the other end of the scale.







    share|improve this answer












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    • $begingroup$
      Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
      $endgroup$
      – Stuart Leask
      May 30 at 16:40
















    • $begingroup$
      Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
      $endgroup$
      – Stuart Leask
      May 30 at 16:40















    $begingroup$
    Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 16:40




    $begingroup$
    Thanks - I was thinking of something around an op-amp, just wondered if there was something more elegant (related to a current mirror?) that anyone one of.
    $endgroup$
    – Stuart Leask
    May 30 at 16:40











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    There's no easy way to do it, anyway. You could add a 20ohm fixed in series with a 20-220 ohm sensor, to give 40-240. Not quite full, but empty would be empty.



    If the sender truly is 20-200, something is wrong for the gauge to expect 240. Bend the float arm up?



    Are you sure true fuel "empty" is the full travel of the sensor? The simple solution is to add fixed resistance to achieve true empty, and just recognize that 90% represents full.



    It's doubtful the gauge will respond in a perfectly linear fashion anyway, unless your gas tank is a perfect square or vertical cylinder.






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      $begingroup$

      There's no easy way to do it, anyway. You could add a 20ohm fixed in series with a 20-220 ohm sensor, to give 40-240. Not quite full, but empty would be empty.



      If the sender truly is 20-200, something is wrong for the gauge to expect 240. Bend the float arm up?



      Are you sure true fuel "empty" is the full travel of the sensor? The simple solution is to add fixed resistance to achieve true empty, and just recognize that 90% represents full.



      It's doubtful the gauge will respond in a perfectly linear fashion anyway, unless your gas tank is a perfect square or vertical cylinder.






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        $begingroup$

        There's no easy way to do it, anyway. You could add a 20ohm fixed in series with a 20-220 ohm sensor, to give 40-240. Not quite full, but empty would be empty.



        If the sender truly is 20-200, something is wrong for the gauge to expect 240. Bend the float arm up?



        Are you sure true fuel "empty" is the full travel of the sensor? The simple solution is to add fixed resistance to achieve true empty, and just recognize that 90% represents full.



        It's doubtful the gauge will respond in a perfectly linear fashion anyway, unless your gas tank is a perfect square or vertical cylinder.






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        $endgroup$



        There's no easy way to do it, anyway. You could add a 20ohm fixed in series with a 20-220 ohm sensor, to give 40-240. Not quite full, but empty would be empty.



        If the sender truly is 20-200, something is wrong for the gauge to expect 240. Bend the float arm up?



        Are you sure true fuel "empty" is the full travel of the sensor? The simple solution is to add fixed resistance to achieve true empty, and just recognize that 90% represents full.



        It's doubtful the gauge will respond in a perfectly linear fashion anyway, unless your gas tank is a perfect square or vertical cylinder.







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