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Should I tutor a student who I know has cheated on their homework?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowWhat are some good ways to lead a discussion session for a TA in a graduate-level STEM class?Lecturer in a course I'm TA'ing refuses to give feedback on student assignmentAs a tutor, should I encourage exploration at the risk of incorrect information?What to do if a student claims to have turned in the homework but I could not find it?Should I decline a request to tutor a class I will be taking?Should graduate students who are graders help undergraduate students with homework?Professor does not care about cheating, what should TA do?Professor not giving solutions to exams and assignments that I need to gradeWhat are the major ethical concerns with private tutoring?An undergraduate said they may hire a freelancer to do their work for them. What should I do?
I am a Ph.D. student and I do private tutoring on the side for extra income. Recently a new student contacted me for help with a class, and I met them for one session, which went well overall. They told me they liked my tutoring and want to meet again. This student admitted that they are behind on the course material and are trying to catch up before the final (which is just about two weeks away). However, I recently realized that this same student is in another class which I am TA'ing, and I was grading the homework today and realized they copied the solutions for the last assignment. I had suspected they may have copied solutions to the previous assignment as well but was unsure. This time the copying is blatant, word for word from the solutions from a past year. At this point I have no choice but to bring this to the course instructor (who is also my advisor), who I know will report this student for plagiarism. My question is, should I still meet this student and tutor them in other classes?
A few thoughts that come to mind:
- I now know this student is in the course I am TA'ing. I feel tutoring them for this course would be a conflict of interest, and I would have to clear it with my advisor. Is it also a conflict of interest to tutor them for a different course, knowing I will be grading their exam/homework for this one?
- I enjoy tutoring because I enjoy helping students learn, and I do like to help people succeed. In our previous session this student seemed interested in actually learning, but clearly has shown that they are willing to blatantly plagiarise homework solutions. While I do rely on my extra tutoring income, it feels unethical to tutor someone who cheats. At the same time, I would like them to be able to understand what they are doing so they don't feel any need to cheat. But this student also said they have not attended class in recent weeks (for what reason I do not know).
- If I meet this student again, I will have to tell them that I have reported them for academic dishonesty. This isn't exactly an issue though, they can decide what they want to do from there.
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I am a Ph.D. student and I do private tutoring on the side for extra income. Recently a new student contacted me for help with a class, and I met them for one session, which went well overall. They told me they liked my tutoring and want to meet again. This student admitted that they are behind on the course material and are trying to catch up before the final (which is just about two weeks away). However, I recently realized that this same student is in another class which I am TA'ing, and I was grading the homework today and realized they copied the solutions for the last assignment. I had suspected they may have copied solutions to the previous assignment as well but was unsure. This time the copying is blatant, word for word from the solutions from a past year. At this point I have no choice but to bring this to the course instructor (who is also my advisor), who I know will report this student for plagiarism. My question is, should I still meet this student and tutor them in other classes?
A few thoughts that come to mind:
- I now know this student is in the course I am TA'ing. I feel tutoring them for this course would be a conflict of interest, and I would have to clear it with my advisor. Is it also a conflict of interest to tutor them for a different course, knowing I will be grading their exam/homework for this one?
- I enjoy tutoring because I enjoy helping students learn, and I do like to help people succeed. In our previous session this student seemed interested in actually learning, but clearly has shown that they are willing to blatantly plagiarise homework solutions. While I do rely on my extra tutoring income, it feels unethical to tutor someone who cheats. At the same time, I would like them to be able to understand what they are doing so they don't feel any need to cheat. But this student also said they have not attended class in recent weeks (for what reason I do not know).
- If I meet this student again, I will have to tell them that I have reported them for academic dishonesty. This isn't exactly an issue though, they can decide what they want to do from there.
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Run. This is toxic. You've already made a mistake that could get you into trouble. Go to your advisor or whoever oversees the TA's and tell him everything as soon as possible and before you communicate with this student again.
– B. Goddard
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To paraphrase Dr. House, "everyone cheats".
– A Simple Algorithm
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Perhaps with a decent tutor the student would have no need to cheat? IOW, do you want to be part of the solution or do you want to pile onto the problems the student already has? With that said, I agree with others that your grading this student's assignments/tests and accepting money from them at the same time is a major problem; so my 2 questions probably aren't very applicable directly to you.
– Dunk
yesterday
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@Dunk I agree, the primary issue is the conflict of interest, if not for that then I likely would still agree to tutor this student.
– Kai
yesterday
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@ASimpleAlgorithm I refuse to believe Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan or Alex Trebek cheated at anything.
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I am a Ph.D. student and I do private tutoring on the side for extra income. Recently a new student contacted me for help with a class, and I met them for one session, which went well overall. They told me they liked my tutoring and want to meet again. This student admitted that they are behind on the course material and are trying to catch up before the final (which is just about two weeks away). However, I recently realized that this same student is in another class which I am TA'ing, and I was grading the homework today and realized they copied the solutions for the last assignment. I had suspected they may have copied solutions to the previous assignment as well but was unsure. This time the copying is blatant, word for word from the solutions from a past year. At this point I have no choice but to bring this to the course instructor (who is also my advisor), who I know will report this student for plagiarism. My question is, should I still meet this student and tutor them in other classes?
A few thoughts that come to mind:
- I now know this student is in the course I am TA'ing. I feel tutoring them for this course would be a conflict of interest, and I would have to clear it with my advisor. Is it also a conflict of interest to tutor them for a different course, knowing I will be grading their exam/homework for this one?
- I enjoy tutoring because I enjoy helping students learn, and I do like to help people succeed. In our previous session this student seemed interested in actually learning, but clearly has shown that they are willing to blatantly plagiarise homework solutions. While I do rely on my extra tutoring income, it feels unethical to tutor someone who cheats. At the same time, I would like them to be able to understand what they are doing so they don't feel any need to cheat. But this student also said they have not attended class in recent weeks (for what reason I do not know).
- If I meet this student again, I will have to tell them that I have reported them for academic dishonesty. This isn't exactly an issue though, they can decide what they want to do from there.
phd ethics teaching-assistant cheating tutoring
I am a Ph.D. student and I do private tutoring on the side for extra income. Recently a new student contacted me for help with a class, and I met them for one session, which went well overall. They told me they liked my tutoring and want to meet again. This student admitted that they are behind on the course material and are trying to catch up before the final (which is just about two weeks away). However, I recently realized that this same student is in another class which I am TA'ing, and I was grading the homework today and realized they copied the solutions for the last assignment. I had suspected they may have copied solutions to the previous assignment as well but was unsure. This time the copying is blatant, word for word from the solutions from a past year. At this point I have no choice but to bring this to the course instructor (who is also my advisor), who I know will report this student for plagiarism. My question is, should I still meet this student and tutor them in other classes?
A few thoughts that come to mind:
- I now know this student is in the course I am TA'ing. I feel tutoring them for this course would be a conflict of interest, and I would have to clear it with my advisor. Is it also a conflict of interest to tutor them for a different course, knowing I will be grading their exam/homework for this one?
- I enjoy tutoring because I enjoy helping students learn, and I do like to help people succeed. In our previous session this student seemed interested in actually learning, but clearly has shown that they are willing to blatantly plagiarise homework solutions. While I do rely on my extra tutoring income, it feels unethical to tutor someone who cheats. At the same time, I would like them to be able to understand what they are doing so they don't feel any need to cheat. But this student also said they have not attended class in recent weeks (for what reason I do not know).
- If I meet this student again, I will have to tell them that I have reported them for academic dishonesty. This isn't exactly an issue though, they can decide what they want to do from there.
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Run. This is toxic. You've already made a mistake that could get you into trouble. Go to your advisor or whoever oversees the TA's and tell him everything as soon as possible and before you communicate with this student again.
– B. Goddard
yesterday
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To paraphrase Dr. House, "everyone cheats".
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
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Perhaps with a decent tutor the student would have no need to cheat? IOW, do you want to be part of the solution or do you want to pile onto the problems the student already has? With that said, I agree with others that your grading this student's assignments/tests and accepting money from them at the same time is a major problem; so my 2 questions probably aren't very applicable directly to you.
– Dunk
yesterday
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@Dunk I agree, the primary issue is the conflict of interest, if not for that then I likely would still agree to tutor this student.
– Kai
yesterday
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@ASimpleAlgorithm I refuse to believe Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan or Alex Trebek cheated at anything.
– user1717828
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Run. This is toxic. You've already made a mistake that could get you into trouble. Go to your advisor or whoever oversees the TA's and tell him everything as soon as possible and before you communicate with this student again.
– B. Goddard
yesterday
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To paraphrase Dr. House, "everyone cheats".
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
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Perhaps with a decent tutor the student would have no need to cheat? IOW, do you want to be part of the solution or do you want to pile onto the problems the student already has? With that said, I agree with others that your grading this student's assignments/tests and accepting money from them at the same time is a major problem; so my 2 questions probably aren't very applicable directly to you.
– Dunk
yesterday
1
@Dunk I agree, the primary issue is the conflict of interest, if not for that then I likely would still agree to tutor this student.
– Kai
yesterday
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@ASimpleAlgorithm I refuse to believe Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan or Alex Trebek cheated at anything.
– user1717828
yesterday
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Run. This is toxic. You've already made a mistake that could get you into trouble. Go to your advisor or whoever oversees the TA's and tell him everything as soon as possible and before you communicate with this student again.
– B. Goddard
yesterday
Run. This is toxic. You've already made a mistake that could get you into trouble. Go to your advisor or whoever oversees the TA's and tell him everything as soon as possible and before you communicate with this student again.
– B. Goddard
yesterday
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9
To paraphrase Dr. House, "everyone cheats".
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
To paraphrase Dr. House, "everyone cheats".
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
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Perhaps with a decent tutor the student would have no need to cheat? IOW, do you want to be part of the solution or do you want to pile onto the problems the student already has? With that said, I agree with others that your grading this student's assignments/tests and accepting money from them at the same time is a major problem; so my 2 questions probably aren't very applicable directly to you.
– Dunk
yesterday
Perhaps with a decent tutor the student would have no need to cheat? IOW, do you want to be part of the solution or do you want to pile onto the problems the student already has? With that said, I agree with others that your grading this student's assignments/tests and accepting money from them at the same time is a major problem; so my 2 questions probably aren't very applicable directly to you.
– Dunk
yesterday
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@Dunk I agree, the primary issue is the conflict of interest, if not for that then I likely would still agree to tutor this student.
– Kai
yesterday
@Dunk I agree, the primary issue is the conflict of interest, if not for that then I likely would still agree to tutor this student.
– Kai
yesterday
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@ASimpleAlgorithm I refuse to believe Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan or Alex Trebek cheated at anything.
– user1717828
yesterday
@ASimpleAlgorithm I refuse to believe Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan or Alex Trebek cheated at anything.
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Whether their cheating should impact your role as a tutor is not the primary issue here, so I'll set it aside.
You should not be tutoring a student for additional money when you are also grading that student as a TA, even if the grading and tutoring are for separate courses. That sets up a financial relationship between a grader and a student. That's a big problem.
I certainly don't believe you've done anything unethical here, but you should most likely report the inadvertent conflict and stop tutoring this student immediately (I'd also offer to your superiors that you return any payment for the one session, or just do it yourself anyways). It's not a big deal that you did this accidentally not realizing the connection. It could be a problem if you continued with it now that you know.
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+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
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The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
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@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
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@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
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@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
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Stop tutoring him. He's already shown he doesn't play by the rules. And this situation may "go sideways". Disengage ASAP. You don't want to get more enmeshed in this than you already unfortunately are. Things can rebound and hurt you. (Danger, Will Robinson, danger.)
Tutoring is very much a side gig and completely optional for both parties. Disagree with the Buffy advice that you are obligated to continue. I also agree with Bryan's comment about the conflict of interest even without cheating. But I think the cheating situation raises the conflict of interest front and center.
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-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
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Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
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@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
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I mostly agree with @BryanKrauze's answer, but I'll strengthen the point further:
- It is unethical to be the tutor a student whom you are also grading or otherwise evaluating as his/her TA.
- It is doubly unethical if you're tutoring him/her for pay.
In both cases you are in a conflict of interests, and in the latter case it is very significant.
But since you're already conflicted, it's possible that it makes more sense for you to stop grading his HW (while continuing as a TA) rather than to stop tutoring him. I'd consult with the principal teacher for the course, or whoever is in charge of teaching in your department etc. - perhaps mention both options (not tutor him, not grade him). You might also need to have your previous gradings of his assignments reviewed.
Finally, if you stop tutoring him, be kind - despite his cheating - and try to find an alternative tutor to take over for you, if you can, so that he can make a smooth transition. This is regardless of whether he is treated harshly or not for his cheating on a HW assignment in another course!
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Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
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@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
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I don't believe you have an ethical issue in tutoring them. In fact, there may be issues if you don't (because you may need to accuse them to justify it). But otherwise, you seem to be doing the correct thing in communicating with the professor and telling the student about what you have done. It won't make you popular, of course since no one likes being "ratted out".
But, if you can help them learn and, more important, learn how to learn, maybe they won't be as inclined to cut corners.
I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another. Your professor, again, might have a different opinion, so you should ask. I don't think it is an especially difficult matter to keep the two relationships separate in a case like this.
In fact, while some commenters to this answer seem to think that accepting money to teach someone while also evaluating/grading them is a "clear conflict of interest" it is exactly what every professor does every day. If you can't handle that you are in the wrong profession.
Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course. I hope you have considered other explanations as well. Two identical papers is cause for an investigation, but not necessarily charges. Publishing answers to questions and later claiming that "using the published answer, when the question is given again, is dishonesty" is malfeasance.
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I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
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"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
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@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
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And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
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A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
– Bryan Krause
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Whether their cheating should impact your role as a tutor is not the primary issue here, so I'll set it aside.
You should not be tutoring a student for additional money when you are also grading that student as a TA, even if the grading and tutoring are for separate courses. That sets up a financial relationship between a grader and a student. That's a big problem.
I certainly don't believe you've done anything unethical here, but you should most likely report the inadvertent conflict and stop tutoring this student immediately (I'd also offer to your superiors that you return any payment for the one session, or just do it yourself anyways). It's not a big deal that you did this accidentally not realizing the connection. It could be a problem if you continued with it now that you know.
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+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
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The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
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@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
1
@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
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@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
13 hours ago
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Whether their cheating should impact your role as a tutor is not the primary issue here, so I'll set it aside.
You should not be tutoring a student for additional money when you are also grading that student as a TA, even if the grading and tutoring are for separate courses. That sets up a financial relationship between a grader and a student. That's a big problem.
I certainly don't believe you've done anything unethical here, but you should most likely report the inadvertent conflict and stop tutoring this student immediately (I'd also offer to your superiors that you return any payment for the one session, or just do it yourself anyways). It's not a big deal that you did this accidentally not realizing the connection. It could be a problem if you continued with it now that you know.
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+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
3
The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
7
@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
1
@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
6
@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
13 hours ago
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Whether their cheating should impact your role as a tutor is not the primary issue here, so I'll set it aside.
You should not be tutoring a student for additional money when you are also grading that student as a TA, even if the grading and tutoring are for separate courses. That sets up a financial relationship between a grader and a student. That's a big problem.
I certainly don't believe you've done anything unethical here, but you should most likely report the inadvertent conflict and stop tutoring this student immediately (I'd also offer to your superiors that you return any payment for the one session, or just do it yourself anyways). It's not a big deal that you did this accidentally not realizing the connection. It could be a problem if you continued with it now that you know.
Whether their cheating should impact your role as a tutor is not the primary issue here, so I'll set it aside.
You should not be tutoring a student for additional money when you are also grading that student as a TA, even if the grading and tutoring are for separate courses. That sets up a financial relationship between a grader and a student. That's a big problem.
I certainly don't believe you've done anything unethical here, but you should most likely report the inadvertent conflict and stop tutoring this student immediately (I'd also offer to your superiors that you return any payment for the one session, or just do it yourself anyways). It's not a big deal that you did this accidentally not realizing the connection. It could be a problem if you continued with it now that you know.
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+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
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The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
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@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
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@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
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@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
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+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
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The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
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@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
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@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
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@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
13 hours ago
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+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
+1 for the answer. To go further though: I wouldn't tutor for payment at all when I'm TAing really. As a TA you're an employee of the university. Maybe it's just me (possibly is) but being paid by a student of the same university for tutoring just feels... weird.
– Mehrdad
19 hours ago
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The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
The bolded part would seem to imply that tutoring students from a university where you teach is unethical. I find this completely over the top. One must observe appropriate ethical boundaries but there is no fundamental ethical issue here.
– Jack Aidley
16 hours ago
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@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
@JackAidley: The bolded part is highlighting a conflict of interest. Of course there is no issue when you tutor some students, and grade other students.
– MSalters
15 hours ago
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@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
@MSalters: realistically the only students that you can tutor are students in your subject, students in your subject are likely to take courses that you teach, particularly if you teach on core courses.
– Jack Aidley
14 hours ago
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@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
13 hours ago
@JackAidley I think it's a pretty simple boundary: don't be responsible for grades of people who are giving you $. If your school is small enough that you grade everyone, yep, that means no outside tutoring. As a TA you have some responsibility to teach those students anyways, without taking outside money.
– Bryan Krause
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Stop tutoring him. He's already shown he doesn't play by the rules. And this situation may "go sideways". Disengage ASAP. You don't want to get more enmeshed in this than you already unfortunately are. Things can rebound and hurt you. (Danger, Will Robinson, danger.)
Tutoring is very much a side gig and completely optional for both parties. Disagree with the Buffy advice that you are obligated to continue. I also agree with Bryan's comment about the conflict of interest even without cheating. But I think the cheating situation raises the conflict of interest front and center.
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-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
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Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
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@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
10 hours ago
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Stop tutoring him. He's already shown he doesn't play by the rules. And this situation may "go sideways". Disengage ASAP. You don't want to get more enmeshed in this than you already unfortunately are. Things can rebound and hurt you. (Danger, Will Robinson, danger.)
Tutoring is very much a side gig and completely optional for both parties. Disagree with the Buffy advice that you are obligated to continue. I also agree with Bryan's comment about the conflict of interest even without cheating. But I think the cheating situation raises the conflict of interest front and center.
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-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
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Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
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@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
10 hours ago
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Stop tutoring him. He's already shown he doesn't play by the rules. And this situation may "go sideways". Disengage ASAP. You don't want to get more enmeshed in this than you already unfortunately are. Things can rebound and hurt you. (Danger, Will Robinson, danger.)
Tutoring is very much a side gig and completely optional for both parties. Disagree with the Buffy advice that you are obligated to continue. I also agree with Bryan's comment about the conflict of interest even without cheating. But I think the cheating situation raises the conflict of interest front and center.
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Stop tutoring him. He's already shown he doesn't play by the rules. And this situation may "go sideways". Disengage ASAP. You don't want to get more enmeshed in this than you already unfortunately are. Things can rebound and hurt you. (Danger, Will Robinson, danger.)
Tutoring is very much a side gig and completely optional for both parties. Disagree with the Buffy advice that you are obligated to continue. I also agree with Bryan's comment about the conflict of interest even without cheating. But I think the cheating situation raises the conflict of interest front and center.
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-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
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Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
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@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
10 hours ago
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-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
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Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
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@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
10 hours ago
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-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
-1 for several reasons: 1. Whether or not the student plays by the rules is not a reason for him not to be tutored. 2. If anything, getting a tutor means the student is trying to get his act together rather than continuing his "life of crime".
– einpoklum
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
This is so funny. Because he got a tutor, his same time frame cheating is changing? With that theory, I guess if I get a gym membership after buying roids, it shows I want to lift clean! Heck, if anything, I suspect that students that want/buy tutoring are (very, very mildly) correlated with students that cheat. (Or at least orthogonal. Definitely not anticorrelated.) After all, they need assistance.
– guest
yesterday
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Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
Please note that you have assumed (despite the OP's careful language) that this student is male. This is an instance of our implicit gender biases, and making such assumptions perpetuates those same biases when we don't notice what we're doing.
– Greg Martin
19 hours ago
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@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
10 hours ago
@guest your analogy is significantly different that einploklums point. A roider would benefit from gym membership, of course they would go. A cheater wouldn't really benefit from tutoring unless the goal was to know the material well enough to do tests without cheating, so it begs the question, why are they getting tutored?
– user94036
10 hours ago
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I mostly agree with @BryanKrauze's answer, but I'll strengthen the point further:
- It is unethical to be the tutor a student whom you are also grading or otherwise evaluating as his/her TA.
- It is doubly unethical if you're tutoring him/her for pay.
In both cases you are in a conflict of interests, and in the latter case it is very significant.
But since you're already conflicted, it's possible that it makes more sense for you to stop grading his HW (while continuing as a TA) rather than to stop tutoring him. I'd consult with the principal teacher for the course, or whoever is in charge of teaching in your department etc. - perhaps mention both options (not tutor him, not grade him). You might also need to have your previous gradings of his assignments reviewed.
Finally, if you stop tutoring him, be kind - despite his cheating - and try to find an alternative tutor to take over for you, if you can, so that he can make a smooth transition. This is regardless of whether he is treated harshly or not for his cheating on a HW assignment in another course!
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Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
yesterday
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@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
yesterday
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I mostly agree with @BryanKrauze's answer, but I'll strengthen the point further:
- It is unethical to be the tutor a student whom you are also grading or otherwise evaluating as his/her TA.
- It is doubly unethical if you're tutoring him/her for pay.
In both cases you are in a conflict of interests, and in the latter case it is very significant.
But since you're already conflicted, it's possible that it makes more sense for you to stop grading his HW (while continuing as a TA) rather than to stop tutoring him. I'd consult with the principal teacher for the course, or whoever is in charge of teaching in your department etc. - perhaps mention both options (not tutor him, not grade him). You might also need to have your previous gradings of his assignments reviewed.
Finally, if you stop tutoring him, be kind - despite his cheating - and try to find an alternative tutor to take over for you, if you can, so that he can make a smooth transition. This is regardless of whether he is treated harshly or not for his cheating on a HW assignment in another course!
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Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
yesterday
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@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
yesterday
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I mostly agree with @BryanKrauze's answer, but I'll strengthen the point further:
- It is unethical to be the tutor a student whom you are also grading or otherwise evaluating as his/her TA.
- It is doubly unethical if you're tutoring him/her for pay.
In both cases you are in a conflict of interests, and in the latter case it is very significant.
But since you're already conflicted, it's possible that it makes more sense for you to stop grading his HW (while continuing as a TA) rather than to stop tutoring him. I'd consult with the principal teacher for the course, or whoever is in charge of teaching in your department etc. - perhaps mention both options (not tutor him, not grade him). You might also need to have your previous gradings of his assignments reviewed.
Finally, if you stop tutoring him, be kind - despite his cheating - and try to find an alternative tutor to take over for you, if you can, so that he can make a smooth transition. This is regardless of whether he is treated harshly or not for his cheating on a HW assignment in another course!
I mostly agree with @BryanKrauze's answer, but I'll strengthen the point further:
- It is unethical to be the tutor a student whom you are also grading or otherwise evaluating as his/her TA.
- It is doubly unethical if you're tutoring him/her for pay.
In both cases you are in a conflict of interests, and in the latter case it is very significant.
But since you're already conflicted, it's possible that it makes more sense for you to stop grading his HW (while continuing as a TA) rather than to stop tutoring him. I'd consult with the principal teacher for the course, or whoever is in charge of teaching in your department etc. - perhaps mention both options (not tutor him, not grade him). You might also need to have your previous gradings of his assignments reviewed.
Finally, if you stop tutoring him, be kind - despite his cheating - and try to find an alternative tutor to take over for you, if you can, so that he can make a smooth transition. This is regardless of whether he is treated harshly or not for his cheating on a HW assignment in another course!
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Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
yesterday
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@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
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Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
yesterday
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@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
yesterday
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Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
yesterday
Let's see. You have one position that pays more, helps more people, and is a primary task. You have another that is self-sourced moonlighting. And in that one, you're tutoring a cheater. I vote for 86ing the cheater. Keep your regular TA gig.
– guest
yesterday
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@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
yesterday
@guest: I didn't suggest not being a TA, just refraining from grading that one particular student. Like in the case of, say, a family member taking a class that you teach.
– einpoklum
yesterday
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I don't believe you have an ethical issue in tutoring them. In fact, there may be issues if you don't (because you may need to accuse them to justify it). But otherwise, you seem to be doing the correct thing in communicating with the professor and telling the student about what you have done. It won't make you popular, of course since no one likes being "ratted out".
But, if you can help them learn and, more important, learn how to learn, maybe they won't be as inclined to cut corners.
I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another. Your professor, again, might have a different opinion, so you should ask. I don't think it is an especially difficult matter to keep the two relationships separate in a case like this.
In fact, while some commenters to this answer seem to think that accepting money to teach someone while also evaluating/grading them is a "clear conflict of interest" it is exactly what every professor does every day. If you can't handle that you are in the wrong profession.
Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course. I hope you have considered other explanations as well. Two identical papers is cause for an investigation, but not necessarily charges. Publishing answers to questions and later claiming that "using the published answer, when the question is given again, is dishonesty" is malfeasance.
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I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
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"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
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@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
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And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
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A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
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I don't believe you have an ethical issue in tutoring them. In fact, there may be issues if you don't (because you may need to accuse them to justify it). But otherwise, you seem to be doing the correct thing in communicating with the professor and telling the student about what you have done. It won't make you popular, of course since no one likes being "ratted out".
But, if you can help them learn and, more important, learn how to learn, maybe they won't be as inclined to cut corners.
I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another. Your professor, again, might have a different opinion, so you should ask. I don't think it is an especially difficult matter to keep the two relationships separate in a case like this.
In fact, while some commenters to this answer seem to think that accepting money to teach someone while also evaluating/grading them is a "clear conflict of interest" it is exactly what every professor does every day. If you can't handle that you are in the wrong profession.
Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course. I hope you have considered other explanations as well. Two identical papers is cause for an investigation, but not necessarily charges. Publishing answers to questions and later claiming that "using the published answer, when the question is given again, is dishonesty" is malfeasance.
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I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
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"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
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@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
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And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
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A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
– Bryan Krause
11 hours ago
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I don't believe you have an ethical issue in tutoring them. In fact, there may be issues if you don't (because you may need to accuse them to justify it). But otherwise, you seem to be doing the correct thing in communicating with the professor and telling the student about what you have done. It won't make you popular, of course since no one likes being "ratted out".
But, if you can help them learn and, more important, learn how to learn, maybe they won't be as inclined to cut corners.
I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another. Your professor, again, might have a different opinion, so you should ask. I don't think it is an especially difficult matter to keep the two relationships separate in a case like this.
In fact, while some commenters to this answer seem to think that accepting money to teach someone while also evaluating/grading them is a "clear conflict of interest" it is exactly what every professor does every day. If you can't handle that you are in the wrong profession.
Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course. I hope you have considered other explanations as well. Two identical papers is cause for an investigation, but not necessarily charges. Publishing answers to questions and later claiming that "using the published answer, when the question is given again, is dishonesty" is malfeasance.
I don't believe you have an ethical issue in tutoring them. In fact, there may be issues if you don't (because you may need to accuse them to justify it). But otherwise, you seem to be doing the correct thing in communicating with the professor and telling the student about what you have done. It won't make you popular, of course since no one likes being "ratted out".
But, if you can help them learn and, more important, learn how to learn, maybe they won't be as inclined to cut corners.
I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another. Your professor, again, might have a different opinion, so you should ask. I don't think it is an especially difficult matter to keep the two relationships separate in a case like this.
In fact, while some commenters to this answer seem to think that accepting money to teach someone while also evaluating/grading them is a "clear conflict of interest" it is exactly what every professor does every day. If you can't handle that you are in the wrong profession.
Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course. I hope you have considered other explanations as well. Two identical papers is cause for an investigation, but not necessarily charges. Publishing answers to questions and later claiming that "using the published answer, when the question is given again, is dishonesty" is malfeasance.
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I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
5
"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
3
@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
5
And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
3
A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
– Bryan Krause
11 hours ago
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I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
5
"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
3
@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
5
And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
3
A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
– Bryan Krause
11 hours ago
11
11
I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
I don't agree with this answer at all. "In fact, there may be issues if you don't." What? How could there be? "It won't make you popular, of course." What is that -- peer pressure? "I also doubt that tutoring them in one course is in conflict with TA-ing them in another." I feel strongly that it is, and probably the student should also ask university personnel about it -- just because the professor thinks it's okay doesn't mean others higher up in the university will too. A professor is not an ethics master.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
5
5
"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
"Note that you haven't given the evidence that they copied in the other course." Yes, of course the OP did. What other explanation do you entertain for word for word copying from a previous year's solution sheet? Anyway, the OP is not the one who makes the ruling on academic dishonesty: they did the right thing by reporting it.
– Pete L. Clark
yesterday
3
3
@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
@PeteL.Clark, I would still require more evidence. Was the "copying" a few words or a lot? Was it an obvious answer that has few ways of being stated or not? Was the "solution" itself copied from another source, such as a textbook? Why would a student copy from a published answer to a past question anyway? It makes little sense. And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? I don't dispute that the student may be cheating, but I don't have the evidence, nor the rules applied. Neither do you.
– Buffy
yesterday
5
5
And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
And why would a question be asked in the next year when solutions were published in the previous one? — Because writing good problems is hard, and giving useful homework is more important than defending against cheaters.
– JeffE
20 hours ago
3
3
A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
– Bryan Krause
11 hours ago
A professor isn't paid directly by their students, and is not paid extra money for certain students - that's where the conflict is.
– Bryan Krause
11 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
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Run. This is toxic. You've already made a mistake that could get you into trouble. Go to your advisor or whoever oversees the TA's and tell him everything as soon as possible and before you communicate with this student again.
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yesterday
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To paraphrase Dr. House, "everyone cheats".
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
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Perhaps with a decent tutor the student would have no need to cheat? IOW, do you want to be part of the solution or do you want to pile onto the problems the student already has? With that said, I agree with others that your grading this student's assignments/tests and accepting money from them at the same time is a major problem; so my 2 questions probably aren't very applicable directly to you.
– Dunk
yesterday
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@Dunk I agree, the primary issue is the conflict of interest, if not for that then I likely would still agree to tutor this student.
– Kai
yesterday
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@ASimpleAlgorithm I refuse to believe Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan or Alex Trebek cheated at anything.
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