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What is the use case for non-breathable waterproof pants?


How do breathable fabrics like Gore-tex and DWR (Durable Water Repellent) work?Does wash in waterproofing work on a non-waterproof shell?Rain pants for tall peopleWhat makes nylon an effective material for hiking pants?When rain jackets wear out, do they soak through?Any luck mixing gear sheds/porches/garages with different brands of tents?Is a full waterproof coat more important than waterproof trousers for hiking?How to fix tears in waterproof pants?Tent in the rainHow do breathable fabrics like Gore-tex and DWR (Durable Water Repellent) work?What type of pants would be durable and suitable for outdoors in all kind of climates?













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For rain pants, there are both breathable pants that let sweat out and non-breathable ones that do not. The problem with the non-breathable pants is that your sweat can build up inside and then you will get wet underneath the pants anyways.



As non-breathable pants are still sold, what is the case when they would be prefferable, or is it simply a matter of cost?










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    For rain pants, there are both breathable pants that let sweat out and non-breathable ones that do not. The problem with the non-breathable pants is that your sweat can build up inside and then you will get wet underneath the pants anyways.



    As non-breathable pants are still sold, what is the case when they would be prefferable, or is it simply a matter of cost?










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      For rain pants, there are both breathable pants that let sweat out and non-breathable ones that do not. The problem with the non-breathable pants is that your sweat can build up inside and then you will get wet underneath the pants anyways.



      As non-breathable pants are still sold, what is the case when they would be prefferable, or is it simply a matter of cost?










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      For rain pants, there are both breathable pants that let sweat out and non-breathable ones that do not. The problem with the non-breathable pants is that your sweat can build up inside and then you will get wet underneath the pants anyways.



      As non-breathable pants are still sold, what is the case when they would be prefferable, or is it simply a matter of cost?







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          As you are aware waterproof breathable fabrics can "wet out" reducing them to simply waterproof fabrics. That does not make wetted out waterproof breathable the same as waterproof non-breathable fabric. Non-breathable fabrics tend to be cheaper, stronger, lighter, and in some cases more water resistant (i.e., a higher mm H2O rating) than corresponding breathable fabrics. Compare the differences between the high end fabrics used in Z-packs non-breathable kilt (1.0 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and 15.5 N puncture strength) and breathable rain pants (1.92 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and don't look at it funny strength).



          If weight or durability matters and either sweat is not a factor or wetting out is a given (e.g., sailing or prolonged wet weather), a non-breathable fabric might be desirable. Sweat is heavily activity dependent and good ventilation can often mitigate the need for breath-ability. For really cold weather activities the effect of sweat can be eliminated through the use of a vapor barrier, but you will still want a waterproof shell to keep snow melt from soaking your insulation.






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            Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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          You seem to have a specific outdoor activity in mind, like trekking or climbing. But what about water sports? A sailing ship deck would be the most obvious place. Sometimes you won't move much, but you wish to stay 100% dry.



          In my experience waterproof breathable fabrics are only water resistant. Also notice that fabrics like GoreTex deteriorate with time and lose their water repellent qualities. A simple plastic trousers won't have this problem.






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            @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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            @WeatherVane that's spot on.

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            @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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            @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

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            My experience entirely. Breathable = not really watertight.

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          The non-breathable pants are usually considerably cheaper than the breathable ones. That can make them a better choice for activities that stand a good chance of ripping holes in the material, glissading down icy slopes for example. Far better to rip your $25 non-breathable pants than your $125 Gore-tex pants.






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            There are several uses, but regular strenuous outdoor leisure activities aren't really among them.



            Breathable gear only goes so far - there comes a point when the best gear you can afford will result in getting very sweaty. This point is a function of temperature, humidity, price and activity level. If you're consistently going to pass that point, non breathable gear is cheaper (much cheaper in the long term as membranes degrade) and still keeps the wind off.



            They're often used by those working outdoors doing fairly light duties, such as directing traffic or otherwise mainly standing. These are often high visibility. More strenuous outdoor workers may well use heavy duty poorly breathable versions.



            They can be kept in a vehicle as emergency wear to keep in case of breaking down or worse. These may never be worn so it's not worth investing in something expensive. They also seem more waterproof than at least cheap breathables if you're actually sitting or kneeling in water fixing something. A similar use is car camping, when you may need to go out in the rain to tighten ropes or pegs, but would avoid going out in the rain otherwise.



            In the UK climate, and many other places, it's often worth carrying rain gear for even fairly gentle walks that take you more than a few minutes from shelter. You'll be a lot drier and warmer in cheap waterproofs than none at all, which is why compact ones are widely sold in national park shops etc. (I keep a pair in the van that were an emergency purchase in such a shop)






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              +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

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              good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

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            The non-breathable cheaper wet-weather protection is useful for when you must sometimes go outdoors in heavy rain to do essential jobs, but not for very long.



            Long enough that you would otherwise get soaked, but not long enough for the lack of ventilation to be a problem.






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              Non-breathable waterproof garments are basically polyurethane plastic at the surface. This has one very big benefit in that dirt doesn't stick to it much, and what sticks will usually come off with just water.



              So they're good for uses such as:



              • Trekking in muddy conditions. Just hang them overnight to dry and yesterday's muck falls off.


              • Children's use. A high-tech fabric will not stand up to daily washes for very long.


              • Agricultural and other jobs where you'd get excrement on your clothes.


              After all, getting sweaty is a discomfort but it can be tolerated.






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                As a cyclist, I expect to get wet if I'm riding hard in the rain. But if I'm wearing something waterproof -- breathable or not -- the (cold) rainwater will be kept separate from the (warm) sweat, and I'll be warmer.



                And if I'm not riding hard, I'll be dry longer in the non-breathable stuff, because water vapor can pass through the breathable layers in either direction.






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                • Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

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                To ride a motorcycle, for example, you will never chose breathable fabric.
                If you have to wear rain pants, temperature is such that sweat is almost never an issue and you want your garment to be as waterproof as possible.
                Also, you want to be sure not only water but also mud, grease, dust, etc. is kept off your under-layers, hence the use of a fabric as less porous as possible.






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                  As you are aware waterproof breathable fabrics can "wet out" reducing them to simply waterproof fabrics. That does not make wetted out waterproof breathable the same as waterproof non-breathable fabric. Non-breathable fabrics tend to be cheaper, stronger, lighter, and in some cases more water resistant (i.e., a higher mm H2O rating) than corresponding breathable fabrics. Compare the differences between the high end fabrics used in Z-packs non-breathable kilt (1.0 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and 15.5 N puncture strength) and breathable rain pants (1.92 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and don't look at it funny strength).



                  If weight or durability matters and either sweat is not a factor or wetting out is a given (e.g., sailing or prolonged wet weather), a non-breathable fabric might be desirable. Sweat is heavily activity dependent and good ventilation can often mitigate the need for breath-ability. For really cold weather activities the effect of sweat can be eliminated through the use of a vapor barrier, but you will still want a waterproof shell to keep snow melt from soaking your insulation.






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                    Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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                  As you are aware waterproof breathable fabrics can "wet out" reducing them to simply waterproof fabrics. That does not make wetted out waterproof breathable the same as waterproof non-breathable fabric. Non-breathable fabrics tend to be cheaper, stronger, lighter, and in some cases more water resistant (i.e., a higher mm H2O rating) than corresponding breathable fabrics. Compare the differences between the high end fabrics used in Z-packs non-breathable kilt (1.0 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and 15.5 N puncture strength) and breathable rain pants (1.92 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and don't look at it funny strength).



                  If weight or durability matters and either sweat is not a factor or wetting out is a given (e.g., sailing or prolonged wet weather), a non-breathable fabric might be desirable. Sweat is heavily activity dependent and good ventilation can often mitigate the need for breath-ability. For really cold weather activities the effect of sweat can be eliminated through the use of a vapor barrier, but you will still want a waterproof shell to keep snow melt from soaking your insulation.






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                    Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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                  As you are aware waterproof breathable fabrics can "wet out" reducing them to simply waterproof fabrics. That does not make wetted out waterproof breathable the same as waterproof non-breathable fabric. Non-breathable fabrics tend to be cheaper, stronger, lighter, and in some cases more water resistant (i.e., a higher mm H2O rating) than corresponding breathable fabrics. Compare the differences between the high end fabrics used in Z-packs non-breathable kilt (1.0 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and 15.5 N puncture strength) and breathable rain pants (1.92 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and don't look at it funny strength).



                  If weight or durability matters and either sweat is not a factor or wetting out is a given (e.g., sailing or prolonged wet weather), a non-breathable fabric might be desirable. Sweat is heavily activity dependent and good ventilation can often mitigate the need for breath-ability. For really cold weather activities the effect of sweat can be eliminated through the use of a vapor barrier, but you will still want a waterproof shell to keep snow melt from soaking your insulation.






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                  As you are aware waterproof breathable fabrics can "wet out" reducing them to simply waterproof fabrics. That does not make wetted out waterproof breathable the same as waterproof non-breathable fabric. Non-breathable fabrics tend to be cheaper, stronger, lighter, and in some cases more water resistant (i.e., a higher mm H2O rating) than corresponding breathable fabrics. Compare the differences between the high end fabrics used in Z-packs non-breathable kilt (1.0 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and 15.5 N puncture strength) and breathable rain pants (1.92 oz/yd2, 20,000 mm H2O, and don't look at it funny strength).



                  If weight or durability matters and either sweat is not a factor or wetting out is a given (e.g., sailing or prolonged wet weather), a non-breathable fabric might be desirable. Sweat is heavily activity dependent and good ventilation can often mitigate the need for breath-ability. For really cold weather activities the effect of sweat can be eliminated through the use of a vapor barrier, but you will still want a waterproof shell to keep snow melt from soaking your insulation.







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                    Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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                    Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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                  Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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                  Totally agree, I'd even go farther and say that breathability is overrated: If you sweat a lot even the best breathable fabric doesn't have the throughput to keep you dry, and in heavy rain/high humidity the throughput is even a lot smaller. I don't think I have every been "dry" after a day of rain in the mountains with my breathable rain clothes - I have definitely been less wet and warmer than without any rain-gear at all. And in intermittently rainy conditions zips to easily put on/take off is much more effective at reducing moisture.

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                  You seem to have a specific outdoor activity in mind, like trekking or climbing. But what about water sports? A sailing ship deck would be the most obvious place. Sometimes you won't move much, but you wish to stay 100% dry.



                  In my experience waterproof breathable fabrics are only water resistant. Also notice that fabrics like GoreTex deteriorate with time and lose their water repellent qualities. A simple plastic trousers won't have this problem.






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                    @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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                    @WeatherVane that's spot on.

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                    @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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                    @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

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                    My experience entirely. Breathable = not really watertight.

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                  You seem to have a specific outdoor activity in mind, like trekking or climbing. But what about water sports? A sailing ship deck would be the most obvious place. Sometimes you won't move much, but you wish to stay 100% dry.



                  In my experience waterproof breathable fabrics are only water resistant. Also notice that fabrics like GoreTex deteriorate with time and lose their water repellent qualities. A simple plastic trousers won't have this problem.






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                    @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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                    May 20 at 19:26






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                    @WeatherVane that's spot on.

                    – Quora Feans
                    May 20 at 19:56






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                    @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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                    @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

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                  You seem to have a specific outdoor activity in mind, like trekking or climbing. But what about water sports? A sailing ship deck would be the most obvious place. Sometimes you won't move much, but you wish to stay 100% dry.



                  In my experience waterproof breathable fabrics are only water resistant. Also notice that fabrics like GoreTex deteriorate with time and lose their water repellent qualities. A simple plastic trousers won't have this problem.






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                  You seem to have a specific outdoor activity in mind, like trekking or climbing. But what about water sports? A sailing ship deck would be the most obvious place. Sometimes you won't move much, but you wish to stay 100% dry.



                  In my experience waterproof breathable fabrics are only water resistant. Also notice that fabrics like GoreTex deteriorate with time and lose their water repellent qualities. A simple plastic trousers won't have this problem.







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                    @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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                    @WeatherVane that's spot on.

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                    @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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                    @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

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                    My experience entirely. Breathable = not really watertight.

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                    @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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                    May 20 at 19:26






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                    @WeatherVane that's spot on.

                    – Quora Feans
                    May 20 at 19:56






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                    @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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                    May 20 at 19:57






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                    @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

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                    May 21 at 6:18







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                    My experience entirely. Breathable = not really watertight.

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                    May 22 at 9:37







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                  @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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                  @StrongBad that might be the equivalent of a wave coming inboard.

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                  @WeatherVane that's spot on.

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                  May 20 at 19:56





                  @WeatherVane that's spot on.

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                  @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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                  @StrongBad: as said above. We have different uses in mind. You won't be sweating much in a sailing ship under cold rain.

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                  @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

                  – deviantfan
                  May 21 at 6:18






                  @StrongBad This sounds like a big misunderstanding of "psi" (to start with, it's a relative unit, and says nothing about area uniformity too), together with dubious sources. To use an "evil" interpretation of your information, this means a water tank with Goretex pants bottom can have water 40 meter high and still leak nothing (unlikely), while a professional footballer kicking a ball at a ship hull will break it (very unlikely). ... In reality, they have likely different references values, the Goretex value is just for very short pointwise pressure, etc.

                  – deviantfan
                  May 21 at 6:18





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                  My experience entirely. Breathable = not really watertight.

                  – Peter A. Schneider
                  May 22 at 9:37





                  My experience entirely. Breathable = not really watertight.

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                  The non-breathable pants are usually considerably cheaper than the breathable ones. That can make them a better choice for activities that stand a good chance of ripping holes in the material, glissading down icy slopes for example. Far better to rip your $25 non-breathable pants than your $125 Gore-tex pants.






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                    The non-breathable pants are usually considerably cheaper than the breathable ones. That can make them a better choice for activities that stand a good chance of ripping holes in the material, glissading down icy slopes for example. Far better to rip your $25 non-breathable pants than your $125 Gore-tex pants.






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                      The non-breathable pants are usually considerably cheaper than the breathable ones. That can make them a better choice for activities that stand a good chance of ripping holes in the material, glissading down icy slopes for example. Far better to rip your $25 non-breathable pants than your $125 Gore-tex pants.






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                      The non-breathable pants are usually considerably cheaper than the breathable ones. That can make them a better choice for activities that stand a good chance of ripping holes in the material, glissading down icy slopes for example. Far better to rip your $25 non-breathable pants than your $125 Gore-tex pants.







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                      answered May 20 at 16:44









                      Charles E. GrantCharles E. Grant

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                          There are several uses, but regular strenuous outdoor leisure activities aren't really among them.



                          Breathable gear only goes so far - there comes a point when the best gear you can afford will result in getting very sweaty. This point is a function of temperature, humidity, price and activity level. If you're consistently going to pass that point, non breathable gear is cheaper (much cheaper in the long term as membranes degrade) and still keeps the wind off.



                          They're often used by those working outdoors doing fairly light duties, such as directing traffic or otherwise mainly standing. These are often high visibility. More strenuous outdoor workers may well use heavy duty poorly breathable versions.



                          They can be kept in a vehicle as emergency wear to keep in case of breaking down or worse. These may never be worn so it's not worth investing in something expensive. They also seem more waterproof than at least cheap breathables if you're actually sitting or kneeling in water fixing something. A similar use is car camping, when you may need to go out in the rain to tighten ropes or pegs, but would avoid going out in the rain otherwise.



                          In the UK climate, and many other places, it's often worth carrying rain gear for even fairly gentle walks that take you more than a few minutes from shelter. You'll be a lot drier and warmer in cheap waterproofs than none at all, which is why compact ones are widely sold in national park shops etc. (I keep a pair in the van that were an emergency purchase in such a shop)






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                          • 2





                            +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 21 at 15:43











                          • @CCTO I wonder if that wind blocking difference (that I've also noticed) is due to the actual fabric, or trying to get a reasonable amount of ventilation in the breathable gear to augment the breathability, as breathability alone can't keep up.

                            – Chris H
                            May 22 at 7:09






                          • 1





                            good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 22 at 17:14















                          12














                          There are several uses, but regular strenuous outdoor leisure activities aren't really among them.



                          Breathable gear only goes so far - there comes a point when the best gear you can afford will result in getting very sweaty. This point is a function of temperature, humidity, price and activity level. If you're consistently going to pass that point, non breathable gear is cheaper (much cheaper in the long term as membranes degrade) and still keeps the wind off.



                          They're often used by those working outdoors doing fairly light duties, such as directing traffic or otherwise mainly standing. These are often high visibility. More strenuous outdoor workers may well use heavy duty poorly breathable versions.



                          They can be kept in a vehicle as emergency wear to keep in case of breaking down or worse. These may never be worn so it's not worth investing in something expensive. They also seem more waterproof than at least cheap breathables if you're actually sitting or kneeling in water fixing something. A similar use is car camping, when you may need to go out in the rain to tighten ropes or pegs, but would avoid going out in the rain otherwise.



                          In the UK climate, and many other places, it's often worth carrying rain gear for even fairly gentle walks that take you more than a few minutes from shelter. You'll be a lot drier and warmer in cheap waterproofs than none at all, which is why compact ones are widely sold in national park shops etc. (I keep a pair in the van that were an emergency purchase in such a shop)






                          share|improve this answer


















                          • 2





                            +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 21 at 15:43











                          • @CCTO I wonder if that wind blocking difference (that I've also noticed) is due to the actual fabric, or trying to get a reasonable amount of ventilation in the breathable gear to augment the breathability, as breathability alone can't keep up.

                            – Chris H
                            May 22 at 7:09






                          • 1





                            good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 22 at 17:14













                          12












                          12








                          12







                          There are several uses, but regular strenuous outdoor leisure activities aren't really among them.



                          Breathable gear only goes so far - there comes a point when the best gear you can afford will result in getting very sweaty. This point is a function of temperature, humidity, price and activity level. If you're consistently going to pass that point, non breathable gear is cheaper (much cheaper in the long term as membranes degrade) and still keeps the wind off.



                          They're often used by those working outdoors doing fairly light duties, such as directing traffic or otherwise mainly standing. These are often high visibility. More strenuous outdoor workers may well use heavy duty poorly breathable versions.



                          They can be kept in a vehicle as emergency wear to keep in case of breaking down or worse. These may never be worn so it's not worth investing in something expensive. They also seem more waterproof than at least cheap breathables if you're actually sitting or kneeling in water fixing something. A similar use is car camping, when you may need to go out in the rain to tighten ropes or pegs, but would avoid going out in the rain otherwise.



                          In the UK climate, and many other places, it's often worth carrying rain gear for even fairly gentle walks that take you more than a few minutes from shelter. You'll be a lot drier and warmer in cheap waterproofs than none at all, which is why compact ones are widely sold in national park shops etc. (I keep a pair in the van that were an emergency purchase in such a shop)






                          share|improve this answer













                          There are several uses, but regular strenuous outdoor leisure activities aren't really among them.



                          Breathable gear only goes so far - there comes a point when the best gear you can afford will result in getting very sweaty. This point is a function of temperature, humidity, price and activity level. If you're consistently going to pass that point, non breathable gear is cheaper (much cheaper in the long term as membranes degrade) and still keeps the wind off.



                          They're often used by those working outdoors doing fairly light duties, such as directing traffic or otherwise mainly standing. These are often high visibility. More strenuous outdoor workers may well use heavy duty poorly breathable versions.



                          They can be kept in a vehicle as emergency wear to keep in case of breaking down or worse. These may never be worn so it's not worth investing in something expensive. They also seem more waterproof than at least cheap breathables if you're actually sitting or kneeling in water fixing something. A similar use is car camping, when you may need to go out in the rain to tighten ropes or pegs, but would avoid going out in the rain otherwise.



                          In the UK climate, and many other places, it's often worth carrying rain gear for even fairly gentle walks that take you more than a few minutes from shelter. You'll be a lot drier and warmer in cheap waterproofs than none at all, which is why compact ones are widely sold in national park shops etc. (I keep a pair in the van that were an emergency purchase in such a shop)







                          share|improve this answer












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                          answered May 20 at 16:40









                          Chris HChris H

                          12.3k22857




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                          • 2





                            +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 21 at 15:43











                          • @CCTO I wonder if that wind blocking difference (that I've also noticed) is due to the actual fabric, or trying to get a reasonable amount of ventilation in the breathable gear to augment the breathability, as breathability alone can't keep up.

                            – Chris H
                            May 22 at 7:09






                          • 1





                            good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 22 at 17:14












                          • 2





                            +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 21 at 15:43











                          • @CCTO I wonder if that wind blocking difference (that I've also noticed) is due to the actual fabric, or trying to get a reasonable amount of ventilation in the breathable gear to augment the breathability, as breathability alone can't keep up.

                            – Chris H
                            May 22 at 7:09






                          • 1





                            good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

                            – CCTO
                            May 22 at 17:14







                          2




                          2





                          +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

                          – CCTO
                          May 21 at 15:43





                          +1 for mentioning that a lot of outdoor rainware is for non-aerobic work. Also, in my own experience, the breathable fabrics are much less effective at blocking wind than the non-breathable ones. So for standing watch in really cold stormy conditions, go for the heavy raingear.

                          – CCTO
                          May 21 at 15:43













                          @CCTO I wonder if that wind blocking difference (that I've also noticed) is due to the actual fabric, or trying to get a reasonable amount of ventilation in the breathable gear to augment the breathability, as breathability alone can't keep up.

                          – Chris H
                          May 22 at 7:09





                          @CCTO I wonder if that wind blocking difference (that I've also noticed) is due to the actual fabric, or trying to get a reasonable amount of ventilation in the breathable gear to augment the breathability, as breathability alone can't keep up.

                          – Chris H
                          May 22 at 7:09




                          1




                          1





                          good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

                          – CCTO
                          May 22 at 17:14





                          good question. In principle I suppose you can't expect sweat to evaporate and dissipate (humid air leaving) without making up the air from outside, so breathable and air-tight are pretty much opposites. In mine, I don't perceive a draft coming through openings, it feels more like the wind is coming right through the garment. So I think it's a property of the fabric. Caveat: my experience is with mid-range products, I've never had any of the premium technical gear.

                          – CCTO
                          May 22 at 17:14











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                          The non-breathable cheaper wet-weather protection is useful for when you must sometimes go outdoors in heavy rain to do essential jobs, but not for very long.



                          Long enough that you would otherwise get soaked, but not long enough for the lack of ventilation to be a problem.






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                            The non-breathable cheaper wet-weather protection is useful for when you must sometimes go outdoors in heavy rain to do essential jobs, but not for very long.



                            Long enough that you would otherwise get soaked, but not long enough for the lack of ventilation to be a problem.






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                              6








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                              The non-breathable cheaper wet-weather protection is useful for when you must sometimes go outdoors in heavy rain to do essential jobs, but not for very long.



                              Long enough that you would otherwise get soaked, but not long enough for the lack of ventilation to be a problem.






                              share|improve this answer













                              The non-breathable cheaper wet-weather protection is useful for when you must sometimes go outdoors in heavy rain to do essential jobs, but not for very long.



                              Long enough that you would otherwise get soaked, but not long enough for the lack of ventilation to be a problem.







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                              answered May 20 at 18:15









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                                  Non-breathable waterproof garments are basically polyurethane plastic at the surface. This has one very big benefit in that dirt doesn't stick to it much, and what sticks will usually come off with just water.



                                  So they're good for uses such as:



                                  • Trekking in muddy conditions. Just hang them overnight to dry and yesterday's muck falls off.


                                  • Children's use. A high-tech fabric will not stand up to daily washes for very long.


                                  • Agricultural and other jobs where you'd get excrement on your clothes.


                                  After all, getting sweaty is a discomfort but it can be tolerated.






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                                    Non-breathable waterproof garments are basically polyurethane plastic at the surface. This has one very big benefit in that dirt doesn't stick to it much, and what sticks will usually come off with just water.



                                    So they're good for uses such as:



                                    • Trekking in muddy conditions. Just hang them overnight to dry and yesterday's muck falls off.


                                    • Children's use. A high-tech fabric will not stand up to daily washes for very long.


                                    • Agricultural and other jobs where you'd get excrement on your clothes.


                                    After all, getting sweaty is a discomfort but it can be tolerated.






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                                      5












                                      5








                                      5







                                      Non-breathable waterproof garments are basically polyurethane plastic at the surface. This has one very big benefit in that dirt doesn't stick to it much, and what sticks will usually come off with just water.



                                      So they're good for uses such as:



                                      • Trekking in muddy conditions. Just hang them overnight to dry and yesterday's muck falls off.


                                      • Children's use. A high-tech fabric will not stand up to daily washes for very long.


                                      • Agricultural and other jobs where you'd get excrement on your clothes.


                                      After all, getting sweaty is a discomfort but it can be tolerated.






                                      share|improve this answer













                                      Non-breathable waterproof garments are basically polyurethane plastic at the surface. This has one very big benefit in that dirt doesn't stick to it much, and what sticks will usually come off with just water.



                                      So they're good for uses such as:



                                      • Trekking in muddy conditions. Just hang them overnight to dry and yesterday's muck falls off.


                                      • Children's use. A high-tech fabric will not stand up to daily washes for very long.


                                      • Agricultural and other jobs where you'd get excrement on your clothes.


                                      After all, getting sweaty is a discomfort but it can be tolerated.







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                                      jpajpa

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                                          As a cyclist, I expect to get wet if I'm riding hard in the rain. But if I'm wearing something waterproof -- breathable or not -- the (cold) rainwater will be kept separate from the (warm) sweat, and I'll be warmer.



                                          And if I'm not riding hard, I'll be dry longer in the non-breathable stuff, because water vapor can pass through the breathable layers in either direction.






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                                          • Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

                                            – JJJ
                                            May 22 at 3:13















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                                          As a cyclist, I expect to get wet if I'm riding hard in the rain. But if I'm wearing something waterproof -- breathable or not -- the (cold) rainwater will be kept separate from the (warm) sweat, and I'll be warmer.



                                          And if I'm not riding hard, I'll be dry longer in the non-breathable stuff, because water vapor can pass through the breathable layers in either direction.






                                          share|improve this answer























                                          • Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

                                            – JJJ
                                            May 22 at 3:13













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                                          4








                                          4







                                          As a cyclist, I expect to get wet if I'm riding hard in the rain. But if I'm wearing something waterproof -- breathable or not -- the (cold) rainwater will be kept separate from the (warm) sweat, and I'll be warmer.



                                          And if I'm not riding hard, I'll be dry longer in the non-breathable stuff, because water vapor can pass through the breathable layers in either direction.






                                          share|improve this answer













                                          As a cyclist, I expect to get wet if I'm riding hard in the rain. But if I'm wearing something waterproof -- breathable or not -- the (cold) rainwater will be kept separate from the (warm) sweat, and I'll be warmer.



                                          And if I'm not riding hard, I'll be dry longer in the non-breathable stuff, because water vapor can pass through the breathable layers in either direction.







                                          share|improve this answer












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                                          answered May 22 at 3:05









                                          DanDan

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                                          • Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

                                            – JJJ
                                            May 22 at 3:13

















                                          • Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

                                            – JJJ
                                            May 22 at 3:13
















                                          Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

                                          – JJJ
                                          May 22 at 3:13





                                          Breathable doesn't necessarily mean it let's water through. There are products out there that let air in, sweat out and prevent water from coming in.

                                          – JJJ
                                          May 22 at 3:13











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                                          To ride a motorcycle, for example, you will never chose breathable fabric.
                                          If you have to wear rain pants, temperature is such that sweat is almost never an issue and you want your garment to be as waterproof as possible.
                                          Also, you want to be sure not only water but also mud, grease, dust, etc. is kept off your under-layers, hence the use of a fabric as less porous as possible.






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                                            To ride a motorcycle, for example, you will never chose breathable fabric.
                                            If you have to wear rain pants, temperature is such that sweat is almost never an issue and you want your garment to be as waterproof as possible.
                                            Also, you want to be sure not only water but also mud, grease, dust, etc. is kept off your under-layers, hence the use of a fabric as less porous as possible.






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                                              To ride a motorcycle, for example, you will never chose breathable fabric.
                                              If you have to wear rain pants, temperature is such that sweat is almost never an issue and you want your garment to be as waterproof as possible.
                                              Also, you want to be sure not only water but also mud, grease, dust, etc. is kept off your under-layers, hence the use of a fabric as less porous as possible.






                                              share|improve this answer













                                              To ride a motorcycle, for example, you will never chose breathable fabric.
                                              If you have to wear rain pants, temperature is such that sweat is almost never an issue and you want your garment to be as waterproof as possible.
                                              Also, you want to be sure not only water but also mud, grease, dust, etc. is kept off your under-layers, hence the use of a fabric as less porous as possible.







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