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Is it possible to use a NPN BJT as switch, from single power source?



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I'm attempting to build the following circuit to better understand how to use a NPN BJT as a switch.



What I've Tried



I'm calculating the current across the LED (in order to light it up) as:



5.2V* - 1.7V (LED drop) = 3.5V
3.5V / 17mA = 200Ohms


*NOTE - The power source is 5.2V because I'm using 4 AA rechargeables in series (at 1.3V each).



The Problem



The problem I see when I push the button to turn the circuit on is that the transistor becomes very hot. I noticed this the first time because I could smell something. Then I touched it. Ouch! :) I'm assuming I'm providing too much current on the be (base to emitter) circuit.



Things I've Tried / Additional Problem



However, when I attempt to add resistance into the be circuit then the LED doesn't light up, even when my resistor gets down to a value as low as 47Ohms.



Questions



  1. Is it possible (due to ratios of current needed) to even power both sides of the circuit from the same power source? Or is it ridiculously difficult or something and not done?

  2. Can you help me understand the additional calculation(s) I should be using to power the circuit so my LED will light when I push the button?

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    $begingroup$


    I'm attempting to build the following circuit to better understand how to use a NPN BJT as a switch.



    What I've Tried



    I'm calculating the current across the LED (in order to light it up) as:



    5.2V* - 1.7V (LED drop) = 3.5V
    3.5V / 17mA = 200Ohms


    *NOTE - The power source is 5.2V because I'm using 4 AA rechargeables in series (at 1.3V each).



    The Problem



    The problem I see when I push the button to turn the circuit on is that the transistor becomes very hot. I noticed this the first time because I could smell something. Then I touched it. Ouch! :) I'm assuming I'm providing too much current on the be (base to emitter) circuit.



    Things I've Tried / Additional Problem



    However, when I attempt to add resistance into the be circuit then the LED doesn't light up, even when my resistor gets down to a value as low as 47Ohms.



    Questions



    1. Is it possible (due to ratios of current needed) to even power both sides of the circuit from the same power source? Or is it ridiculously difficult or something and not done?

    2. Can you help me understand the additional calculation(s) I should be using to power the circuit so my LED will light when I push the button?

    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab










    share|improve this question











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      $begingroup$


      I'm attempting to build the following circuit to better understand how to use a NPN BJT as a switch.



      What I've Tried



      I'm calculating the current across the LED (in order to light it up) as:



      5.2V* - 1.7V (LED drop) = 3.5V
      3.5V / 17mA = 200Ohms


      *NOTE - The power source is 5.2V because I'm using 4 AA rechargeables in series (at 1.3V each).



      The Problem



      The problem I see when I push the button to turn the circuit on is that the transistor becomes very hot. I noticed this the first time because I could smell something. Then I touched it. Ouch! :) I'm assuming I'm providing too much current on the be (base to emitter) circuit.



      Things I've Tried / Additional Problem



      However, when I attempt to add resistance into the be circuit then the LED doesn't light up, even when my resistor gets down to a value as low as 47Ohms.



      Questions



      1. Is it possible (due to ratios of current needed) to even power both sides of the circuit from the same power source? Or is it ridiculously difficult or something and not done?

      2. Can you help me understand the additional calculation(s) I should be using to power the circuit so my LED will light when I push the button?

      schematic





      simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab










      share|improve this question











      $endgroup$




      I'm attempting to build the following circuit to better understand how to use a NPN BJT as a switch.



      What I've Tried



      I'm calculating the current across the LED (in order to light it up) as:



      5.2V* - 1.7V (LED drop) = 3.5V
      3.5V / 17mA = 200Ohms


      *NOTE - The power source is 5.2V because I'm using 4 AA rechargeables in series (at 1.3V each).



      The Problem



      The problem I see when I push the button to turn the circuit on is that the transistor becomes very hot. I noticed this the first time because I could smell something. Then I touched it. Ouch! :) I'm assuming I'm providing too much current on the be (base to emitter) circuit.



      Things I've Tried / Additional Problem



      However, when I attempt to add resistance into the be circuit then the LED doesn't light up, even when my resistor gets down to a value as low as 47Ohms.



      Questions



      1. Is it possible (due to ratios of current needed) to even power both sides of the circuit from the same power source? Or is it ridiculously difficult or something and not done?

      2. Can you help me understand the additional calculation(s) I should be using to power the circuit so my LED will light when I push the button?

      schematic





      simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab







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          When you close the switch, you are applying 5.2 volts across the base/emitter junction, which normally doesn't like more than 0.7 volts - this will destroy the transistor.



          One way to use a switch and transistor to contol an LED is:





          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          R2 will limit the base current when thet switch is closed. R3 pulls the base low when the switch is open, to ensure the transistor is not conducting.



          Pressing the switch will provide base current through R2, allowing the transistor to conduct, drawing current through the LED and R1. R1 limits the LED current to a safe value.






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            Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
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            I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
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            23 hours ago











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          When you close the switch, you are applying 5.2 volts across the base/emitter junction, which normally doesn't like more than 0.7 volts - this will destroy the transistor.



          One way to use a switch and transistor to contol an LED is:





          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          R2 will limit the base current when thet switch is closed. R3 pulls the base low when the switch is open, to ensure the transistor is not conducting.



          Pressing the switch will provide base current through R2, allowing the transistor to conduct, drawing current through the LED and R1. R1 limits the LED current to a safe value.






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            Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
            $endgroup$
            – raddevus
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
            $endgroup$
            – raddevus
            23 hours ago















          5












          $begingroup$

          When you close the switch, you are applying 5.2 volts across the base/emitter junction, which normally doesn't like more than 0.7 volts - this will destroy the transistor.



          One way to use a switch and transistor to contol an LED is:





          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          R2 will limit the base current when thet switch is closed. R3 pulls the base low when the switch is open, to ensure the transistor is not conducting.



          Pressing the switch will provide base current through R2, allowing the transistor to conduct, drawing current through the LED and R1. R1 limits the LED current to a safe value.






          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$












          • $begingroup$
            Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
            $endgroup$
            – raddevus
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
            $endgroup$
            – raddevus
            23 hours ago













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          5





          $begingroup$

          When you close the switch, you are applying 5.2 volts across the base/emitter junction, which normally doesn't like more than 0.7 volts - this will destroy the transistor.



          One way to use a switch and transistor to contol an LED is:





          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          R2 will limit the base current when thet switch is closed. R3 pulls the base low when the switch is open, to ensure the transistor is not conducting.



          Pressing the switch will provide base current through R2, allowing the transistor to conduct, drawing current through the LED and R1. R1 limits the LED current to a safe value.






          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$



          When you close the switch, you are applying 5.2 volts across the base/emitter junction, which normally doesn't like more than 0.7 volts - this will destroy the transistor.



          One way to use a switch and transistor to contol an LED is:





          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          R2 will limit the base current when thet switch is closed. R3 pulls the base low when the switch is open, to ensure the transistor is not conducting.



          Pressing the switch will provide base current through R2, allowing the transistor to conduct, drawing current through the LED and R1. R1 limits the LED current to a safe value.







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            Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
            $endgroup$
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          • $begingroup$
            I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
            $endgroup$
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          • $begingroup$
            Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
            $endgroup$
            – raddevus
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
            $endgroup$
            – raddevus
            23 hours ago















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          Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
          $endgroup$
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          $begingroup$
          Fantastic! Thanks very much for explaining that so clearly. I will try it out and mark this as answer later today or tomorrow.
          $endgroup$
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          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
          $endgroup$
          – raddevus
          23 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          I built the circuit and examined it with multimeter also and it works great. The transistor no longer becomes hot at all either of course (because of the voltage divider). Great help, thanks again.
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