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making it impossible to change a secure key passphrase


How do I change my private key passphrase?How to tell if a public SSH key has a passphraseHow do I change my private key passphrase?SSH passphrase remembered in MacOSX Snow Leopardssh key requires passphrase after viewing itHow to use openssh sftp command with a RSA/DSA key specified from the command line“Add correct host key in known_hosts” / multiple ssh host keys per hostname?autossh -> private key without passphraseSSH with DSA 2048 bits keyChanging the ssh passphrase on a private key has no effectMy passphrase does not work anymore?






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  • If you wanted to have an unchangeable private key, then you would probably need to consider looking at hardware based keys. IE a private key exists on a physical token.

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According to this:



How do I change my private key passphrase?



it is possible to change your private RSA/DSA key passphrase any time. Is there a way to generate a key with a passphrase that is set once and can not be altered?










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  • If you wanted to have an unchangeable private key, then you would probably need to consider looking at hardware based keys. IE a private key exists on a physical token.

    – Zoredache
    May 19 at 5:56













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According to this:



How do I change my private key passphrase?



it is possible to change your private RSA/DSA key passphrase any time. Is there a way to generate a key with a passphrase that is set once and can not be altered?










share|improve this question














According to this:



How do I change my private key passphrase?



it is possible to change your private RSA/DSA key passphrase any time. Is there a way to generate a key with a passphrase that is set once and can not be altered?







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  • If you wanted to have an unchangeable private key, then you would probably need to consider looking at hardware based keys. IE a private key exists on a physical token.

    – Zoredache
    May 19 at 5:56

















  • If you wanted to have an unchangeable private key, then you would probably need to consider looking at hardware based keys. IE a private key exists on a physical token.

    – Zoredache
    May 19 at 5:56
















If you wanted to have an unchangeable private key, then you would probably need to consider looking at hardware based keys. IE a private key exists on a physical token.

– Zoredache
May 19 at 5:56





If you wanted to have an unchangeable private key, then you would probably need to consider looking at hardware based keys. IE a private key exists on a physical token.

– Zoredache
May 19 at 5:56










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No, and the question doesn't make sense either. There is no reason for this. A private key is just that.






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  • It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

    – Boris Epstein
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  • No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 18:01












  • @BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

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  • It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

    – Boris Epstein
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  • No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 18:01












  • @BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

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No, and the question doesn't make sense either. There is no reason for this. A private key is just that.






share|improve this answer























  • It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

    – Boris Epstein
    May 19 at 18:00











  • No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 18:01












  • @BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

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  • It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

    – Boris Epstein
    May 19 at 18:00











  • No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 18:01












  • @BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

    – persona15
    May 19 at 19:52

















  • It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

    – Boris Epstein
    May 19 at 18:00











  • No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

    – Michael Hampton
    May 19 at 18:01












  • @BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

    – persona15
    May 19 at 19:52
















It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

– Boris Epstein
May 19 at 18:00





It certainly does make sense in some contexts - for example, in the context of ensuring a certain security posture - such as a private key with a mandated passphrase. That makes the mere theft of that private key of little advantage to the bad guy as he is still one authentication factor short of success.

– Boris Epstein
May 19 at 18:00













No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

– Michael Hampton
May 19 at 18:01






No, you don't "mandate" a passphrase. That's something that stays in your head and is never shared with anyone. Your proposal is a frightening loss of security.

– Michael Hampton
May 19 at 18:01














@BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

– persona15
May 19 at 19:52





@BorisEpstein I wouldn't consider the password on a private key a different factor from the private key itself. I understand that one issue with a user changing their own private key password is they may make it insecure (mom's birthday) or remove it entirely, but perhaps a better solution would be adding a password factor to the login system itself that /can/ be regulated, since this simply isn't possible or advisable for a private key.

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