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Where is Jon going?
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At the end of S08E06 of Game of Thrones, Jon Snow along with Tormund and others of the Night's Watch
leave the Night's Watch.
and go into the woods.
Where are they going? And why?
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Where are they going? And why?
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In S08E04 The Last of the Starks, when Jon is saying goodbye to Tormund, he tells Tormund that the freefolk are welcome to stay in Winterfell but Tormund tells him he will take his people beyond the Wall where they belong, where they like to wander around. He also says to Jon to come with him beyond the Wall as Tormund believes Jon has got the North in him. The real North.
Tormund: I am taking the Freefolk home. We've had enough of the South.
Jon: This is the North. Freefolk are welcome to stay.
Tormund: It isn't home. We need room to wander. I'll take them back through Castle Black as soon as winter storms pass. Back where we
belong.
Jon: (looks at Ghost) It's where he belong too. A direwolf has no place in the South. Will you take him with you? He'll be happier up
there.
Tormund: So would you.
Jon: I wish I was going with you. This is farewell then.
Tormund: (hugs Jon) You never know. You've got the North in you. The real North.
When Jon is sentenced to a life of serving the Night's Watch, he goes there and finds Tormund.
At this moment, the North is an independent kingdom with Sansa as the Queen. Jon is done serving his people, doing his duty. If he stays at Castle Black, he would have to be a Lord Commander possibly.
But he decides to just go away from his vows and duties and promise and just be free for once in his life. Free from all the burden of expectations of who he is supposed to be.
Edit:- based on comments
1. It is very unlikely that Jon is going beyond the Wall for ranging. The Night King and Army of the Dead are defeated. There are no threats to range for. Also, he was the only one from the Nights's Watch going with the Freefolk.
2. As suggested by @krb, Jon turns back one last time towards the Wall with a melancholic look, a bittersweet look if you will, towards the realm he guarded for so long.
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Without any dialogue or out-of-universe explanation from the writers themselves, the only objectively true interpretation is that the reason for Jon traveling north is left as intentionally ambiguous.
Is he accompanying the free-folk to guide them to a new home? Is he doing a favor for Tormund? Is he taking Tormunds invitation to stay with the free folk? Does he intend to stay indefinitely, or will he return to the wall? Does he even know at that point?
All questions we have no answers to, and due to the episode being the finale of the series it is unlikely we will get any definite answers apart from post-story expositions, which tend to be by nature half-baked.
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
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this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
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@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
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@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
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Does Jon really abandon the Night's Watch, or is he still keeping his vows?
In the beginning of ASOIAF, the duty of the Night's Watch consisted of manning the Wall to protect Westeros against the wildlings. Later on, it shifted to protecting the humanity against the Night King and his armies. Now, the Night King is defeated and the wildlings are no longer enemies. Therefore, assisting them in reclaiming the lands behind the Wall amounts to strengthening the Northern border against any unknown enemy and is entirely within the duties of the Watch.
One more thing in favour of Jon staying a part of the Watch: the lords of now Six Kingdoms were happy to see Jon take the black once more because the vows include the oath to father no children. The last thing they need is the new generation of Targarien pretenders. He'd better not break this one, or they will come after him with a vengeance. Bronn's happily retired from the hitman career, but as the Master of Coin he'll hire a few Faceless Men even if it delays the vital task of rebuilding the brothels.
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There is no indication that Jon has abandoned the Night's Watch.
Rangers of the Night's Watch journey North all the time for a variety of reasons.
answered May 20 at 10:51
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No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
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There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
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@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
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@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
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@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
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The time Jon spent among the free-folk was the happiest period of his life. He fell in love with Ygritte, but beyond that he had an affinity with the people and the way they lived without tyranny. This is all very well illustrated in the books, but the clearest evidence we have in the TV show is the foreshadowing conversation he has with Tyrion in the final episode..
"Love is the death of duty."
"Sometimes duty is the death of love."
He's not just referring to Danaerys, but his first true love, Ygritte, who died in the opposing army when the wildlings attacked Castle Black.
His heart always belonged with the free-folk. His sense of duty pulled him away, but now he is finally released from duty.
answered May 20 at 23:00
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I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
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I read an interpretation that when it's suggested that Jon take the black and re-join the Night's Watch as his sentence to appease Grey worm and the Unsullied, Grey Worm is unaware that the Night's Watch is now near enough non-existent (through all the men lost in battle, and the fact that there is no longer a pressing need for them).
This means that Jon is free to return to Castle Black having 'taken the black' and can meet Tormund before winter is over so that they can venture beyond the wall as free-folk.
answered May 20 at 12:40
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The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
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I’d argue that the proof that he’s remaining with the Nights Watch is that he once again put on his black uniform, and wore it as he accompanied the wildlings north.
I’d expect that if he were deserting the watch he’d wear his own clothes rather than his uniform.
answered May 21 at 11:16
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he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
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Edit: Jon in the last scene is actually a mimic of the first scene of season 1. Where people were running for their lives north the wall. Now its a safe home again, and he's the shield that protects the realm of men. You can look at popular posts online, the last scene a the first scene share a lot of the same shots.
Jon is clearly just escorting the wildlings north of the wall now that Spring is here. Its important to have someone go and physically know the location of their settlement. Jon is good friends with Tormund there's no reason for him not to go.
Tyrion and Sansa are expecting him to be at castle black, or somewhere at the wall. There's no evidence of him abandoning the nights watch. He would handed over the sword of the last lord commander or something of that nature. And I'll have to re-watch it of course, but just by the way he was walking around and the way some knights watch men were escorting him it seems like they've already accepted him as lord commander.
answered May 20 at 13:45
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"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
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There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
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there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
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In S08E04 The Last of the Starks, when Jon is saying goodbye to Tormund, he tells Tormund that the freefolk are welcome to stay in Winterfell but Tormund tells him he will take his people beyond the Wall where they belong, where they like to wander around. He also says to Jon to come with him beyond the Wall as Tormund believes Jon has got the North in him. The real North.
Tormund: I am taking the Freefolk home. We've had enough of the South.
Jon: This is the North. Freefolk are welcome to stay.
Tormund: It isn't home. We need room to wander. I'll take them back through Castle Black as soon as winter storms pass. Back where we
belong.
Jon: (looks at Ghost) It's where he belong too. A direwolf has no place in the South. Will you take him with you? He'll be happier up
there.
Tormund: So would you.
Jon: I wish I was going with you. This is farewell then.
Tormund: (hugs Jon) You never know. You've got the North in you. The real North.
When Jon is sentenced to a life of serving the Night's Watch, he goes there and finds Tormund.
At this moment, the North is an independent kingdom with Sansa as the Queen. Jon is done serving his people, doing his duty. If he stays at Castle Black, he would have to be a Lord Commander possibly.
But he decides to just go away from his vows and duties and promise and just be free for once in his life. Free from all the burden of expectations of who he is supposed to be.
Edit:- based on comments
1. It is very unlikely that Jon is going beyond the Wall for ranging. The Night King and Army of the Dead are defeated. There are no threats to range for. Also, he was the only one from the Nights's Watch going with the Freefolk.
2. As suggested by @krb, Jon turns back one last time towards the Wall with a melancholic look, a bittersweet look if you will, towards the realm he guarded for so long.
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– Napoleon Wilson♦
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This may also be why Bran gave him this "punishment".
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May 26 at 14:44
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In S08E04 The Last of the Starks, when Jon is saying goodbye to Tormund, he tells Tormund that the freefolk are welcome to stay in Winterfell but Tormund tells him he will take his people beyond the Wall where they belong, where they like to wander around. He also says to Jon to come with him beyond the Wall as Tormund believes Jon has got the North in him. The real North.
Tormund: I am taking the Freefolk home. We've had enough of the South.
Jon: This is the North. Freefolk are welcome to stay.
Tormund: It isn't home. We need room to wander. I'll take them back through Castle Black as soon as winter storms pass. Back where we
belong.
Jon: (looks at Ghost) It's where he belong too. A direwolf has no place in the South. Will you take him with you? He'll be happier up
there.
Tormund: So would you.
Jon: I wish I was going with you. This is farewell then.
Tormund: (hugs Jon) You never know. You've got the North in you. The real North.
When Jon is sentenced to a life of serving the Night's Watch, he goes there and finds Tormund.
At this moment, the North is an independent kingdom with Sansa as the Queen. Jon is done serving his people, doing his duty. If he stays at Castle Black, he would have to be a Lord Commander possibly.
But he decides to just go away from his vows and duties and promise and just be free for once in his life. Free from all the burden of expectations of who he is supposed to be.
Edit:- based on comments
1. It is very unlikely that Jon is going beyond the Wall for ranging. The Night King and Army of the Dead are defeated. There are no threats to range for. Also, he was the only one from the Nights's Watch going with the Freefolk.
2. As suggested by @krb, Jon turns back one last time towards the Wall with a melancholic look, a bittersweet look if you will, towards the realm he guarded for so long.
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– Napoleon Wilson♦
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In S08E04 The Last of the Starks, when Jon is saying goodbye to Tormund, he tells Tormund that the freefolk are welcome to stay in Winterfell but Tormund tells him he will take his people beyond the Wall where they belong, where they like to wander around. He also says to Jon to come with him beyond the Wall as Tormund believes Jon has got the North in him. The real North.
Tormund: I am taking the Freefolk home. We've had enough of the South.
Jon: This is the North. Freefolk are welcome to stay.
Tormund: It isn't home. We need room to wander. I'll take them back through Castle Black as soon as winter storms pass. Back where we
belong.
Jon: (looks at Ghost) It's where he belong too. A direwolf has no place in the South. Will you take him with you? He'll be happier up
there.
Tormund: So would you.
Jon: I wish I was going with you. This is farewell then.
Tormund: (hugs Jon) You never know. You've got the North in you. The real North.
When Jon is sentenced to a life of serving the Night's Watch, he goes there and finds Tormund.
At this moment, the North is an independent kingdom with Sansa as the Queen. Jon is done serving his people, doing his duty. If he stays at Castle Black, he would have to be a Lord Commander possibly.
But he decides to just go away from his vows and duties and promise and just be free for once in his life. Free from all the burden of expectations of who he is supposed to be.
Edit:- based on comments
1. It is very unlikely that Jon is going beyond the Wall for ranging. The Night King and Army of the Dead are defeated. There are no threats to range for. Also, he was the only one from the Nights's Watch going with the Freefolk.
2. As suggested by @krb, Jon turns back one last time towards the Wall with a melancholic look, a bittersweet look if you will, towards the realm he guarded for so long.
edited May 21 at 17:45
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.7k45279537
answered May 20 at 5:14
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In S08E04 The Last of the Starks, when Jon is saying goodbye to Tormund, he tells Tormund that the freefolk are welcome to stay in Winterfell but Tormund tells him he will take his people beyond the Wall where they belong, where they like to wander around. He also says to Jon to come with him beyond the Wall as Tormund believes Jon has got the North in him. The real North.
Tormund: I am taking the Freefolk home. We've had enough of the South.
Jon: This is the North. Freefolk are welcome to stay.
Tormund: It isn't home. We need room to wander. I'll take them back through Castle Black as soon as winter storms pass. Back where we
belong.
Jon: (looks at Ghost) It's where he belong too. A direwolf has no place in the South. Will you take him with you? He'll be happier up
there.
Tormund: So would you.
Jon: I wish I was going with you. This is farewell then.
Tormund: (hugs Jon) You never know. You've got the North in you. The real North.
When Jon is sentenced to a life of serving the Night's Watch, he goes there and finds Tormund.
At this moment, the North is an independent kingdom with Sansa as the Queen. Jon is done serving his people, doing his duty. If he stays at Castle Black, he would have to be a Lord Commander possibly.
But he decides to just go away from his vows and duties and promise and just be free for once in his life. Free from all the burden of expectations of who he is supposed to be.
Edit:- based on comments
1. It is very unlikely that Jon is going beyond the Wall for ranging. The Night King and Army of the Dead are defeated. There are no threats to range for. Also, he was the only one from the Nights's Watch going with the Freefolk.
2. As suggested by @krb, Jon turns back one last time towards the Wall with a melancholic look, a bittersweet look if you will, towards the realm he guarded for so long.
edited May 21 at 17:45
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answered May 20 at 5:14
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edited May 21 at 17:45
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– Napoleon Wilson♦
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This may also be why Bran gave him this "punishment".
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– Napoleon Wilson♦
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– Napoleon Wilson♦
May 22 at 14:30
This may also be why Bran gave him this "punishment".
– RBarryYoung
May 26 at 14:44
This may also be why Bran gave him this "punishment".
– RBarryYoung
May 26 at 14:44
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Without any dialogue or out-of-universe explanation from the writers themselves, the only objectively true interpretation is that the reason for Jon traveling north is left as intentionally ambiguous.
Is he accompanying the free-folk to guide them to a new home? Is he doing a favor for Tormund? Is he taking Tormunds invitation to stay with the free folk? Does he intend to stay indefinitely, or will he return to the wall? Does he even know at that point?
All questions we have no answers to, and due to the episode being the finale of the series it is unlikely we will get any definite answers apart from post-story expositions, which tend to be by nature half-baked.
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
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this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
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@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
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@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
– Captain Man
May 23 at 7:29
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Without any dialogue or out-of-universe explanation from the writers themselves, the only objectively true interpretation is that the reason for Jon traveling north is left as intentionally ambiguous.
Is he accompanying the free-folk to guide them to a new home? Is he doing a favor for Tormund? Is he taking Tormunds invitation to stay with the free folk? Does he intend to stay indefinitely, or will he return to the wall? Does he even know at that point?
All questions we have no answers to, and due to the episode being the finale of the series it is unlikely we will get any definite answers apart from post-story expositions, which tend to be by nature half-baked.
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
9241410
3
this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
4
@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
1
@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
– Captain Man
May 23 at 7:29
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Without any dialogue or out-of-universe explanation from the writers themselves, the only objectively true interpretation is that the reason for Jon traveling north is left as intentionally ambiguous.
Is he accompanying the free-folk to guide them to a new home? Is he doing a favor for Tormund? Is he taking Tormunds invitation to stay with the free folk? Does he intend to stay indefinitely, or will he return to the wall? Does he even know at that point?
All questions we have no answers to, and due to the episode being the finale of the series it is unlikely we will get any definite answers apart from post-story expositions, which tend to be by nature half-baked.
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
9241410
Without any dialogue or out-of-universe explanation from the writers themselves, the only objectively true interpretation is that the reason for Jon traveling north is left as intentionally ambiguous.
Is he accompanying the free-folk to guide them to a new home? Is he doing a favor for Tormund? Is he taking Tormunds invitation to stay with the free folk? Does he intend to stay indefinitely, or will he return to the wall? Does he even know at that point?
All questions we have no answers to, and due to the episode being the finale of the series it is unlikely we will get any definite answers apart from post-story expositions, which tend to be by nature half-baked.
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
9241410
edited May 20 at 18:22
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
9241410
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
9241410
answered May 20 at 14:12
ThatOneGuy789ThatOneGuy789
9241410
9241410
3
this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
4
@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
1
@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
– Captain Man
May 23 at 7:29
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3
this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
4
@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
1
@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
– Captain Man
May 23 at 7:29
3
3
this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
this is the correct answer, no need to interpret anything
– Luciano
May 21 at 8:38
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
What's the point of returning to a breached wall, with no enemy on either side? I don't think it's ambiguous at all, there's nothing more to do at Castle Black, and Jon probably has no desire or need to stay at the location where he got killed. Finally, there's no one in the North who would force him to stay there.
– Eric Duminil
May 21 at 17:15
4
4
@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@EricDuminil "I don't think it's ambiguous" and "Jon probably" are contradictory. We don't know for a fact what he's doing, so all we can do is guess. I believe it's a good guess that he is leaving, and I think it's correct, but it's still just a guess.
– Captain Man
May 21 at 19:34
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
@CaptainMan: My wording could have indeed been better. Still, the fact is that there's nothing left to do at Castle Black, is it?
– Eric Duminil
May 23 at 7:23
1
1
@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
– Captain Man
May 23 at 7:29
@EricDuminil there was another question from an SE site about it but I can't find it at the moment. The consensus is that the Night's Watch is still useful because the dead could return and wildlings could still attack or raid.
– Captain Man
May 23 at 7:29
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Does Jon really abandon the Night's Watch, or is he still keeping his vows?
In the beginning of ASOIAF, the duty of the Night's Watch consisted of manning the Wall to protect Westeros against the wildlings. Later on, it shifted to protecting the humanity against the Night King and his armies. Now, the Night King is defeated and the wildlings are no longer enemies. Therefore, assisting them in reclaiming the lands behind the Wall amounts to strengthening the Northern border against any unknown enemy and is entirely within the duties of the Watch.
One more thing in favour of Jon staying a part of the Watch: the lords of now Six Kingdoms were happy to see Jon take the black once more because the vows include the oath to father no children. The last thing they need is the new generation of Targarien pretenders. He'd better not break this one, or they will come after him with a vengeance. Bronn's happily retired from the hitman career, but as the Master of Coin he'll hire a few Faceless Men even if it delays the vital task of rebuilding the brothels.
answered May 21 at 2:43
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Does Jon really abandon the Night's Watch, or is he still keeping his vows?
In the beginning of ASOIAF, the duty of the Night's Watch consisted of manning the Wall to protect Westeros against the wildlings. Later on, it shifted to protecting the humanity against the Night King and his armies. Now, the Night King is defeated and the wildlings are no longer enemies. Therefore, assisting them in reclaiming the lands behind the Wall amounts to strengthening the Northern border against any unknown enemy and is entirely within the duties of the Watch.
One more thing in favour of Jon staying a part of the Watch: the lords of now Six Kingdoms were happy to see Jon take the black once more because the vows include the oath to father no children. The last thing they need is the new generation of Targarien pretenders. He'd better not break this one, or they will come after him with a vengeance. Bronn's happily retired from the hitman career, but as the Master of Coin he'll hire a few Faceless Men even if it delays the vital task of rebuilding the brothels.
answered May 21 at 2:43
IMilIMil
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Does Jon really abandon the Night's Watch, or is he still keeping his vows?
In the beginning of ASOIAF, the duty of the Night's Watch consisted of manning the Wall to protect Westeros against the wildlings. Later on, it shifted to protecting the humanity against the Night King and his armies. Now, the Night King is defeated and the wildlings are no longer enemies. Therefore, assisting them in reclaiming the lands behind the Wall amounts to strengthening the Northern border against any unknown enemy and is entirely within the duties of the Watch.
One more thing in favour of Jon staying a part of the Watch: the lords of now Six Kingdoms were happy to see Jon take the black once more because the vows include the oath to father no children. The last thing they need is the new generation of Targarien pretenders. He'd better not break this one, or they will come after him with a vengeance. Bronn's happily retired from the hitman career, but as the Master of Coin he'll hire a few Faceless Men even if it delays the vital task of rebuilding the brothels.
answered May 21 at 2:43
IMilIMil
64537
Does Jon really abandon the Night's Watch, or is he still keeping his vows?
In the beginning of ASOIAF, the duty of the Night's Watch consisted of manning the Wall to protect Westeros against the wildlings. Later on, it shifted to protecting the humanity against the Night King and his armies. Now, the Night King is defeated and the wildlings are no longer enemies. Therefore, assisting them in reclaiming the lands behind the Wall amounts to strengthening the Northern border against any unknown enemy and is entirely within the duties of the Watch.
One more thing in favour of Jon staying a part of the Watch: the lords of now Six Kingdoms were happy to see Jon take the black once more because the vows include the oath to father no children. The last thing they need is the new generation of Targarien pretenders. He'd better not break this one, or they will come after him with a vengeance. Bronn's happily retired from the hitman career, but as the Master of Coin he'll hire a few Faceless Men even if it delays the vital task of rebuilding the brothels.
answered May 21 at 2:43
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answered May 21 at 2:43
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There is no indication that Jon has abandoned the Night's Watch.
Rangers of the Night's Watch journey North all the time for a variety of reasons.
answered May 20 at 10:51
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No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
2
There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
4
@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
2
@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
1
@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
– Black
May 22 at 0:31
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There is no indication that Jon has abandoned the Night's Watch.
Rangers of the Night's Watch journey North all the time for a variety of reasons.
answered May 20 at 10:51
LevenTrekLevenTrek
4,31431867
23
No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
2
There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
4
@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
2
@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
1
@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
– Black
May 22 at 0:31
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There is no indication that Jon has abandoned the Night's Watch.
Rangers of the Night's Watch journey North all the time for a variety of reasons.
answered May 20 at 10:51
LevenTrekLevenTrek
4,31431867
There is no indication that Jon has abandoned the Night's Watch.
Rangers of the Night's Watch journey North all the time for a variety of reasons.
answered May 20 at 10:51
LevenTrekLevenTrek
4,31431867
answered May 20 at 10:51
LevenTrekLevenTrek
4,31431867
answered May 20 at 10:51
LevenTrekLevenTrek
4,31431867
answered May 20 at 10:51
LevenTrekLevenTrek
4,31431867
4,31431867
23
No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
2
There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
4
@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
2
@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
1
@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
– Black
May 22 at 0:31
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No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
2
There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
4
@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
2
@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
1
@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
– Black
May 22 at 0:31
23
23
No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
No, there's every indication. Ranging is just a mission, a task. There is no reason to show a character taking on the beginning of a task during the last scenes of what is essentially an epilogue episode. All other characters were shown settling on their final destination/new stage of life. It's clear from the way the scene is filmed that Jon's trek north is not just a mission that he's going to return from any time soon. He left.
– João Mendes
May 20 at 11:05
2
2
There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
There's no dialogue, so I guess it's possible that he turned Wildling and abandoned his duty as a member of the Night's Watch. But that's way, way, way out of character for Jon. if you really believe that, feel free to post your own answer.
– LevenTrek
May 20 at 11:13
4
4
@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
@pytago The Night's Watch clearly still exists, although now it's not so much the Shield that Guards the Realms of Men as it is a convenient way to get rid of people that they don't want to execute.
– Nuclear Wang
May 20 at 13:29
2
2
@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
@LevenTrek, Jon definitely lost his faith in Night Watch after being killed by his brothers.
– user28434
May 20 at 15:28
1
1
@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
– Black
May 22 at 0:31
@LevenTrek how is it way, way out of character... he already did it once before?! Everyone seems to forget he broke his vows falling in love with the wildling Ygritte
– Black
May 22 at 0:31
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The time Jon spent among the free-folk was the happiest period of his life. He fell in love with Ygritte, but beyond that he had an affinity with the people and the way they lived without tyranny. This is all very well illustrated in the books, but the clearest evidence we have in the TV show is the foreshadowing conversation he has with Tyrion in the final episode..
"Love is the death of duty."
"Sometimes duty is the death of love."
He's not just referring to Danaerys, but his first true love, Ygritte, who died in the opposing army when the wildlings attacked Castle Black.
His heart always belonged with the free-folk. His sense of duty pulled him away, but now he is finally released from duty.
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
– cgage1
May 22 at 19:22
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The time Jon spent among the free-folk was the happiest period of his life. He fell in love with Ygritte, but beyond that he had an affinity with the people and the way they lived without tyranny. This is all very well illustrated in the books, but the clearest evidence we have in the TV show is the foreshadowing conversation he has with Tyrion in the final episode..
"Love is the death of duty."
"Sometimes duty is the death of love."
He's not just referring to Danaerys, but his first true love, Ygritte, who died in the opposing army when the wildlings attacked Castle Black.
His heart always belonged with the free-folk. His sense of duty pulled him away, but now he is finally released from duty.
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
– cgage1
May 22 at 19:22
add a comment |
The time Jon spent among the free-folk was the happiest period of his life. He fell in love with Ygritte, but beyond that he had an affinity with the people and the way they lived without tyranny. This is all very well illustrated in the books, but the clearest evidence we have in the TV show is the foreshadowing conversation he has with Tyrion in the final episode..
"Love is the death of duty."
"Sometimes duty is the death of love."
He's not just referring to Danaerys, but his first true love, Ygritte, who died in the opposing army when the wildlings attacked Castle Black.
His heart always belonged with the free-folk. His sense of duty pulled him away, but now he is finally released from duty.
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
The time Jon spent among the free-folk was the happiest period of his life. He fell in love with Ygritte, but beyond that he had an affinity with the people and the way they lived without tyranny. This is all very well illustrated in the books, but the clearest evidence we have in the TV show is the foreshadowing conversation he has with Tyrion in the final episode..
"Love is the death of duty."
"Sometimes duty is the death of love."
He's not just referring to Danaerys, but his first true love, Ygritte, who died in the opposing army when the wildlings attacked Castle Black.
His heart always belonged with the free-folk. His sense of duty pulled him away, but now he is finally released from duty.
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
answered May 20 at 23:00
BlackBlack
632511
632511
I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
– cgage1
May 22 at 19:22
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I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
– cgage1
May 22 at 19:22
I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
– cgage1
May 22 at 19:22
I like this answer the most and I think this accurately summarizes Jon's thoughts.
– cgage1
May 22 at 19:22
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I read an interpretation that when it's suggested that Jon take the black and re-join the Night's Watch as his sentence to appease Grey worm and the Unsullied, Grey Worm is unaware that the Night's Watch is now near enough non-existent (through all the men lost in battle, and the fact that there is no longer a pressing need for them).
This means that Jon is free to return to Castle Black having 'taken the black' and can meet Tormund before winter is over so that they can venture beyond the wall as free-folk.
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
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The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
May 21 at 12:33
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I read an interpretation that when it's suggested that Jon take the black and re-join the Night's Watch as his sentence to appease Grey worm and the Unsullied, Grey Worm is unaware that the Night's Watch is now near enough non-existent (through all the men lost in battle, and the fact that there is no longer a pressing need for them).
This means that Jon is free to return to Castle Black having 'taken the black' and can meet Tormund before winter is over so that they can venture beyond the wall as free-folk.
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
5
The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
May 21 at 12:33
add a comment |
I read an interpretation that when it's suggested that Jon take the black and re-join the Night's Watch as his sentence to appease Grey worm and the Unsullied, Grey Worm is unaware that the Night's Watch is now near enough non-existent (through all the men lost in battle, and the fact that there is no longer a pressing need for them).
This means that Jon is free to return to Castle Black having 'taken the black' and can meet Tormund before winter is over so that they can venture beyond the wall as free-folk.
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
I read an interpretation that when it's suggested that Jon take the black and re-join the Night's Watch as his sentence to appease Grey worm and the Unsullied, Grey Worm is unaware that the Night's Watch is now near enough non-existent (through all the men lost in battle, and the fact that there is no longer a pressing need for them).
This means that Jon is free to return to Castle Black having 'taken the black' and can meet Tormund before winter is over so that they can venture beyond the wall as free-folk.
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
answered May 20 at 12:40
LukeLuke
1492
1492
5
The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
May 21 at 12:33
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5
The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
May 21 at 12:33
5
5
The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
May 21 at 12:33
The Unsullied fought in the battle of Winterfell. Grey Worm should be as much aware of the current state of the Night's Watch as any other person, or at least able to make an educated guess. He probably doesn't care. The Night's Watch is just another word for exile, and that's the least that would satisfy Grey Worm.
– IMil
May 21 at 12:33
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I’d argue that the proof that he’s remaining with the Nights Watch is that he once again put on his black uniform, and wore it as he accompanied the wildlings north.
I’d expect that if he were deserting the watch he’d wear his own clothes rather than his uniform.
answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
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he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
May 23 at 2:36
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I’d argue that the proof that he’s remaining with the Nights Watch is that he once again put on his black uniform, and wore it as he accompanied the wildlings north.
I’d expect that if he were deserting the watch he’d wear his own clothes rather than his uniform.
answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
51644
he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
May 23 at 2:36
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I’d argue that the proof that he’s remaining with the Nights Watch is that he once again put on his black uniform, and wore it as he accompanied the wildlings north.
I’d expect that if he were deserting the watch he’d wear his own clothes rather than his uniform.
answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
51644
I’d argue that the proof that he’s remaining with the Nights Watch is that he once again put on his black uniform, and wore it as he accompanied the wildlings north.
I’d expect that if he were deserting the watch he’d wear his own clothes rather than his uniform.
answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
51644
answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
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answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
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answered May 21 at 11:16
s3raph86s3raph86
51644
51644
he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
May 23 at 2:36
add a comment |
he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
May 23 at 2:36
he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
he has to be seen by any agents to be complying with the Unsullied demand that he return to The Nights Watch. Presumably they have no agents North of the Wall, and so have no inkling of his escape
– Black
May 22 at 13:17
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
@Black because the foreign slave army who arrived a year ago, and have since left forever have a network of spies throughout Westeros reporting back to them on the Isle of Naath?
– s3raph86
May 22 at 13:23
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
I never mentioned spies. I'm fairly sure given how passionately Grey Worm was insisting Jon face justice, that he would take some steps to verify the sentence he was given was carried out.
– Black
May 23 at 2:05
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
@Black I think the real problems would be the Westerosi who were backers of Danaerys and want Jon dead - Yara Greyjoy, and the new Prince of Dorne. Regardless, I couldn’t imagine he’d bother wearing the uniform to keep up appearances if he were deserting.
– s3raph86
May 23 at 2:27
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
May 23 at 2:36
Why can't you imagine he would? It's the perfect way to keep everyone else happy and himself safe
– Black
May 23 at 2:36
add a comment |
Edit: Jon in the last scene is actually a mimic of the first scene of season 1. Where people were running for their lives north the wall. Now its a safe home again, and he's the shield that protects the realm of men. You can look at popular posts online, the last scene a the first scene share a lot of the same shots.
Jon is clearly just escorting the wildlings north of the wall now that Spring is here. Its important to have someone go and physically know the location of their settlement. Jon is good friends with Tormund there's no reason for him not to go.
Tyrion and Sansa are expecting him to be at castle black, or somewhere at the wall. There's no evidence of him abandoning the nights watch. He would handed over the sword of the last lord commander or something of that nature. And I'll have to re-watch it of course, but just by the way he was walking around and the way some knights watch men were escorting him it seems like they've already accepted him as lord commander.
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
3
"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
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There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
3
there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
May 20 at 23:01
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Edit: Jon in the last scene is actually a mimic of the first scene of season 1. Where people were running for their lives north the wall. Now its a safe home again, and he's the shield that protects the realm of men. You can look at popular posts online, the last scene a the first scene share a lot of the same shots.
Jon is clearly just escorting the wildlings north of the wall now that Spring is here. Its important to have someone go and physically know the location of their settlement. Jon is good friends with Tormund there's no reason for him not to go.
Tyrion and Sansa are expecting him to be at castle black, or somewhere at the wall. There's no evidence of him abandoning the nights watch. He would handed over the sword of the last lord commander or something of that nature. And I'll have to re-watch it of course, but just by the way he was walking around and the way some knights watch men were escorting him it seems like they've already accepted him as lord commander.
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
3
"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
5
There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
3
there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
May 20 at 23:01
add a comment |
Edit: Jon in the last scene is actually a mimic of the first scene of season 1. Where people were running for their lives north the wall. Now its a safe home again, and he's the shield that protects the realm of men. You can look at popular posts online, the last scene a the first scene share a lot of the same shots.
Jon is clearly just escorting the wildlings north of the wall now that Spring is here. Its important to have someone go and physically know the location of their settlement. Jon is good friends with Tormund there's no reason for him not to go.
Tyrion and Sansa are expecting him to be at castle black, or somewhere at the wall. There's no evidence of him abandoning the nights watch. He would handed over the sword of the last lord commander or something of that nature. And I'll have to re-watch it of course, but just by the way he was walking around and the way some knights watch men were escorting him it seems like they've already accepted him as lord commander.
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
Edit: Jon in the last scene is actually a mimic of the first scene of season 1. Where people were running for their lives north the wall. Now its a safe home again, and he's the shield that protects the realm of men. You can look at popular posts online, the last scene a the first scene share a lot of the same shots.
Jon is clearly just escorting the wildlings north of the wall now that Spring is here. Its important to have someone go and physically know the location of their settlement. Jon is good friends with Tormund there's no reason for him not to go.
Tyrion and Sansa are expecting him to be at castle black, or somewhere at the wall. There's no evidence of him abandoning the nights watch. He would handed over the sword of the last lord commander or something of that nature. And I'll have to re-watch it of course, but just by the way he was walking around and the way some knights watch men were escorting him it seems like they've already accepted him as lord commander.
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
edited May 21 at 12:54
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
answered May 20 at 13:45
JeffyxJeffyx
1656
1656
3
"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
5
There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
3
there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
May 20 at 23:01
add a comment |
3
"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
5
There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
3
there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
May 20 at 23:01
3
3
"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
"Spring is here" No, it isn't. The seasons last for many years (up to a decade) in Westeros. Also Longclaw is Jon's sword. It is not passed down to successive Lords Commander - it was in the House of Mormont for many generations before Jeor gave it to Jon
– Black
May 20 at 14:08
5
5
There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
There was a plant growing north of the wall, he was leading them north of the wall in the spring. Yes it is spring at the last scene, we don't know how much time has passed. I'm not saying passing the sword is a tradition, it was just a lazy example of something he would have done to signal he was leaving. You have failed to show evidence of him abandoning Knights watch.
– Jeffyx
May 20 at 14:19
3
3
there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
May 20 at 23:01
there's already ample evidence, in his body language, in his conversation with Tormund (above) and his conversation with Tyrion, "Duty kills love"
– Black
May 20 at 23:01
add a comment |
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