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Ideal with zero localizations at prime ideals containing it
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Do closed immersions preserve stalks?Non-Noetherian rings with an ideal not containing a product of prime idealsDoes every Krull ring have a height 1 prime ideal?Expressing ideals as products of prime ideals in a commutative, Noetherian ring with unityExistence of minimal non-zero prime ideals: Counter examples?Is a graded module over a graded ring zero when all of it's graded localizations at graded primes not containing the irrelevant ideal are zero?Minimal ideals of localizationsCommutative rings with unity over which every non-zero module has an associated primeCommutative Noetherian, local, reduced ring has only one minimal prime ideal?Zero divisors and minimal prime ideals in commutative ringExample of a principal prime ideal containing a proper prime non-zero ideal.
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Let $R$ be a commutative unital ring. I know that if an $R$-module has zero localizations at all prime ideals of $R$, then it is a zero module.
Consider a proper ideal $Isubset R$ as an $R$-module. Is it true that if localizations of this module at all prime ideals containing $I$ are zero, then it is a zero module?
This is true for $R$ a DVR (because there is only one non-zero prime ideal which contains all proper ideals).
commutative-algebra localization
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Let $R$ be a commutative unital ring. I know that if an $R$-module has zero localizations at all prime ideals of $R$, then it is a zero module.
Consider a proper ideal $Isubset R$ as an $R$-module. Is it true that if localizations of this module at all prime ideals containing $I$ are zero, then it is a zero module?
This is true for $R$ a DVR (because there is only one non-zero prime ideal which contains all proper ideals).
commutative-algebra localization
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Is $I$ finitely generated ? Suppose $M$ is a finitely generated $R-module$. Then $M=0 iff M_p=0 forall p in Spec R$
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh No finiteness hypotheses
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh your statement about $M$ here is true without finitely generated hypothesis
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Let $R$ be a commutative unital ring. I know that if an $R$-module has zero localizations at all prime ideals of $R$, then it is a zero module.
Consider a proper ideal $Isubset R$ as an $R$-module. Is it true that if localizations of this module at all prime ideals containing $I$ are zero, then it is a zero module?
This is true for $R$ a DVR (because there is only one non-zero prime ideal which contains all proper ideals).
commutative-algebra localization
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Let $R$ be a commutative unital ring. I know that if an $R$-module has zero localizations at all prime ideals of $R$, then it is a zero module.
Consider a proper ideal $Isubset R$ as an $R$-module. Is it true that if localizations of this module at all prime ideals containing $I$ are zero, then it is a zero module?
This is true for $R$ a DVR (because there is only one non-zero prime ideal which contains all proper ideals).
commutative-algebra localization
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Is $I$ finitely generated ? Suppose $M$ is a finitely generated $R-module$. Then $M=0 iff M_p=0 forall p in Spec R$
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh No finiteness hypotheses
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh your statement about $M$ here is true without finitely generated hypothesis
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– Alex Mathers
Apr 10 at 14:50
add a comment |
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Is $I$ finitely generated ? Suppose $M$ is a finitely generated $R-module$. Then $M=0 iff M_p=0 forall p in Spec R$
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh No finiteness hypotheses
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 13:47
1
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@SoumikGhosh your statement about $M$ here is true without finitely generated hypothesis
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– Alex Mathers
Apr 10 at 14:50
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Is $I$ finitely generated ? Suppose $M$ is a finitely generated $R-module$. Then $M=0 iff M_p=0 forall p in Spec R$
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 13:47
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Is $I$ finitely generated ? Suppose $M$ is a finitely generated $R-module$. Then $M=0 iff M_p=0 forall p in Spec R$
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh No finiteness hypotheses
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh No finiteness hypotheses
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 13:47
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1
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@SoumikGhosh your statement about $M$ here is true without finitely generated hypothesis
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– Alex Mathers
Apr 10 at 14:50
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@SoumikGhosh your statement about $M$ here is true without finitely generated hypothesis
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– Alex Mathers
Apr 10 at 14:50
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Counterexamples exist. In fact:
Proposition. TFAE:
$I_mathfrak p = 0$ for all primes $mathfrak p supset I$
- $forall x in I : Ann(x) + I = R$
- $forall x in I : exists y in I : xy=x$
In particular, a nonzero proper ideal in a boolean ring is a counterexample.
Proof. $1 implies 2$: Take $x in I$. Suppose there is a prime ideal $mathfrak p$ containing $Ann(x) + I$. Localizing at $mathfrak p$, we find $r in R - mathfrak p$ with $rx= 0$. This contradicts $Ann(x) subset mathfrak p$.
$2 implies 3$: Take $a in R$ and $y in I$ with $a+y = 1$ and $ax = 0$. Then $xy = x$.
$3 implies 1$: Take $x in I$, $y in I$ with $xy = x$ and take $mathfrak p supset I$. Because $(1-y)x = 0$ and $1-y notin mathfrak p$, $x$ becomes $0$ in $I_mathfrak p$. $square$
Milking this, we find:
- such $I$ consists of zero divisors.
- There are no counterexamples when $R$ is an integral domain.
- If $I$ is nonzero, proper and finitely generated, it contains a nontrivial idempotent. Proof: From 2. it follows that $Ann(I) + I = R$. Write $a + x = 1$ with $aI = 0$ and $x in I$. Then $x^2=x$.
Since you asked about $Spec(R)$ connected and reduced, here's an example (necessarily not Noetherian). Take a field $k$, let $R = k[X_1, X_2, ldots]$ modulo the ideal generated by the $X_iX_j-X_i$ for $j>i$, and let $I$ be the ideal generated by the $X_i$.
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is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
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but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
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I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
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I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
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Apr 10 at 17:57
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Consider the ring $$R= mathbb Z_2 times mathbb Z_2 times... times mathbb Z_2 times.....$$ countable number of times .
Look at the ideal $$ I= bigoplus _mathbb N mathbb Z_2$$
I claim $I_p=0 forall p in Spec R$ containing $I$.
Say $I subset p$ Consider $ain I$. Observe that $a^2=a$ and hence $a= 0 $ in $A_p$ since $1-a $ is not in $p$ ( since $ain I subset p$)
Thus every element of $I$ becomes $0$ in $A_p$ and hence $I_p=0 forall p in Spec A $
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do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
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localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
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then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
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My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
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but your example is not connected
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Counterexamples exist. In fact:
Proposition. TFAE:
$I_mathfrak p = 0$ for all primes $mathfrak p supset I$
- $forall x in I : Ann(x) + I = R$
- $forall x in I : exists y in I : xy=x$
In particular, a nonzero proper ideal in a boolean ring is a counterexample.
Proof. $1 implies 2$: Take $x in I$. Suppose there is a prime ideal $mathfrak p$ containing $Ann(x) + I$. Localizing at $mathfrak p$, we find $r in R - mathfrak p$ with $rx= 0$. This contradicts $Ann(x) subset mathfrak p$.
$2 implies 3$: Take $a in R$ and $y in I$ with $a+y = 1$ and $ax = 0$. Then $xy = x$.
$3 implies 1$: Take $x in I$, $y in I$ with $xy = x$ and take $mathfrak p supset I$. Because $(1-y)x = 0$ and $1-y notin mathfrak p$, $x$ becomes $0$ in $I_mathfrak p$. $square$
Milking this, we find:
- such $I$ consists of zero divisors.
- There are no counterexamples when $R$ is an integral domain.
- If $I$ is nonzero, proper and finitely generated, it contains a nontrivial idempotent. Proof: From 2. it follows that $Ann(I) + I = R$. Write $a + x = 1$ with $aI = 0$ and $x in I$. Then $x^2=x$.
Since you asked about $Spec(R)$ connected and reduced, here's an example (necessarily not Noetherian). Take a field $k$, let $R = k[X_1, X_2, ldots]$ modulo the ideal generated by the $X_iX_j-X_i$ for $j>i$, and let $I$ be the ideal generated by the $X_i$.
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is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
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but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
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I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
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I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
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– rabota
Apr 10 at 17:57
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Counterexamples exist. In fact:
Proposition. TFAE:
$I_mathfrak p = 0$ for all primes $mathfrak p supset I$
- $forall x in I : Ann(x) + I = R$
- $forall x in I : exists y in I : xy=x$
In particular, a nonzero proper ideal in a boolean ring is a counterexample.
Proof. $1 implies 2$: Take $x in I$. Suppose there is a prime ideal $mathfrak p$ containing $Ann(x) + I$. Localizing at $mathfrak p$, we find $r in R - mathfrak p$ with $rx= 0$. This contradicts $Ann(x) subset mathfrak p$.
$2 implies 3$: Take $a in R$ and $y in I$ with $a+y = 1$ and $ax = 0$. Then $xy = x$.
$3 implies 1$: Take $x in I$, $y in I$ with $xy = x$ and take $mathfrak p supset I$. Because $(1-y)x = 0$ and $1-y notin mathfrak p$, $x$ becomes $0$ in $I_mathfrak p$. $square$
Milking this, we find:
- such $I$ consists of zero divisors.
- There are no counterexamples when $R$ is an integral domain.
- If $I$ is nonzero, proper and finitely generated, it contains a nontrivial idempotent. Proof: From 2. it follows that $Ann(I) + I = R$. Write $a + x = 1$ with $aI = 0$ and $x in I$. Then $x^2=x$.
Since you asked about $Spec(R)$ connected and reduced, here's an example (necessarily not Noetherian). Take a field $k$, let $R = k[X_1, X_2, ldots]$ modulo the ideal generated by the $X_iX_j-X_i$ for $j>i$, and let $I$ be the ideal generated by the $X_i$.
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is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
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but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
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I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
1
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I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
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– rabota
Apr 10 at 17:57
add a comment |
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Counterexamples exist. In fact:
Proposition. TFAE:
$I_mathfrak p = 0$ for all primes $mathfrak p supset I$
- $forall x in I : Ann(x) + I = R$
- $forall x in I : exists y in I : xy=x$
In particular, a nonzero proper ideal in a boolean ring is a counterexample.
Proof. $1 implies 2$: Take $x in I$. Suppose there is a prime ideal $mathfrak p$ containing $Ann(x) + I$. Localizing at $mathfrak p$, we find $r in R - mathfrak p$ with $rx= 0$. This contradicts $Ann(x) subset mathfrak p$.
$2 implies 3$: Take $a in R$ and $y in I$ with $a+y = 1$ and $ax = 0$. Then $xy = x$.
$3 implies 1$: Take $x in I$, $y in I$ with $xy = x$ and take $mathfrak p supset I$. Because $(1-y)x = 0$ and $1-y notin mathfrak p$, $x$ becomes $0$ in $I_mathfrak p$. $square$
Milking this, we find:
- such $I$ consists of zero divisors.
- There are no counterexamples when $R$ is an integral domain.
- If $I$ is nonzero, proper and finitely generated, it contains a nontrivial idempotent. Proof: From 2. it follows that $Ann(I) + I = R$. Write $a + x = 1$ with $aI = 0$ and $x in I$. Then $x^2=x$.
Since you asked about $Spec(R)$ connected and reduced, here's an example (necessarily not Noetherian). Take a field $k$, let $R = k[X_1, X_2, ldots]$ modulo the ideal generated by the $X_iX_j-X_i$ for $j>i$, and let $I$ be the ideal generated by the $X_i$.
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Counterexamples exist. In fact:
Proposition. TFAE:
$I_mathfrak p = 0$ for all primes $mathfrak p supset I$
- $forall x in I : Ann(x) + I = R$
- $forall x in I : exists y in I : xy=x$
In particular, a nonzero proper ideal in a boolean ring is a counterexample.
Proof. $1 implies 2$: Take $x in I$. Suppose there is a prime ideal $mathfrak p$ containing $Ann(x) + I$. Localizing at $mathfrak p$, we find $r in R - mathfrak p$ with $rx= 0$. This contradicts $Ann(x) subset mathfrak p$.
$2 implies 3$: Take $a in R$ and $y in I$ with $a+y = 1$ and $ax = 0$. Then $xy = x$.
$3 implies 1$: Take $x in I$, $y in I$ with $xy = x$ and take $mathfrak p supset I$. Because $(1-y)x = 0$ and $1-y notin mathfrak p$, $x$ becomes $0$ in $I_mathfrak p$. $square$
Milking this, we find:
- such $I$ consists of zero divisors.
- There are no counterexamples when $R$ is an integral domain.
- If $I$ is nonzero, proper and finitely generated, it contains a nontrivial idempotent. Proof: From 2. it follows that $Ann(I) + I = R$. Write $a + x = 1$ with $aI = 0$ and $x in I$. Then $x^2=x$.
Since you asked about $Spec(R)$ connected and reduced, here's an example (necessarily not Noetherian). Take a field $k$, let $R = k[X_1, X_2, ldots]$ modulo the ideal generated by the $X_iX_j-X_i$ for $j>i$, and let $I$ be the ideal generated by the $X_i$.
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is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
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but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
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I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
1
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I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
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– rabota
Apr 10 at 17:57
add a comment |
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is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
$begingroup$
but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
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I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
1
$begingroup$
I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
$endgroup$
– rabota
Apr 10 at 17:57
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is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
$begingroup$
is there an example when $mathrmSpec,R$ is irreducible, but not reduced?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 15:59
$begingroup$
but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
$begingroup$
but you say that there is no counterexample that is both irreducible and reduced (i.e. integral domain).
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:51
$begingroup$
I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
$begingroup$
I do not completely understand this. All this proves is that tensoring with $mathbbZ[x]/(x^2)$ is not going to work. There still might be an irreducible, non-reduced example constructed in another way. Or did you mean something else?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 17:57
1
1
$begingroup$
I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
$endgroup$
– rabota
Apr 10 at 17:57
$begingroup$
I see. You can forget about my earlier comment. So your question is really, does there exist an irreducible example (which implies not reduced)
$endgroup$
– rabota
Apr 10 at 17:57
add a comment |
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Consider the ring $$R= mathbb Z_2 times mathbb Z_2 times... times mathbb Z_2 times.....$$ countable number of times .
Look at the ideal $$ I= bigoplus _mathbb N mathbb Z_2$$
I claim $I_p=0 forall p in Spec R$ containing $I$.
Say $I subset p$ Consider $ain I$. Observe that $a^2=a$ and hence $a= 0 $ in $A_p$ since $1-a $ is not in $p$ ( since $ain I subset p$)
Thus every element of $I$ becomes $0$ in $A_p$ and hence $I_p=0 forall p in Spec A $
$endgroup$
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do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
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localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
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then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
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My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
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but your example is not connected
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:17
add a comment |
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Consider the ring $$R= mathbb Z_2 times mathbb Z_2 times... times mathbb Z_2 times.....$$ countable number of times .
Look at the ideal $$ I= bigoplus _mathbb N mathbb Z_2$$
I claim $I_p=0 forall p in Spec R$ containing $I$.
Say $I subset p$ Consider $ain I$. Observe that $a^2=a$ and hence $a= 0 $ in $A_p$ since $1-a $ is not in $p$ ( since $ain I subset p$)
Thus every element of $I$ becomes $0$ in $A_p$ and hence $I_p=0 forall p in Spec A $
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do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
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localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
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then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
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My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
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but your example is not connected
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– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:17
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Consider the ring $$R= mathbb Z_2 times mathbb Z_2 times... times mathbb Z_2 times.....$$ countable number of times .
Look at the ideal $$ I= bigoplus _mathbb N mathbb Z_2$$
I claim $I_p=0 forall p in Spec R$ containing $I$.
Say $I subset p$ Consider $ain I$. Observe that $a^2=a$ and hence $a= 0 $ in $A_p$ since $1-a $ is not in $p$ ( since $ain I subset p$)
Thus every element of $I$ becomes $0$ in $A_p$ and hence $I_p=0 forall p in Spec A $
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Consider the ring $$R= mathbb Z_2 times mathbb Z_2 times... times mathbb Z_2 times.....$$ countable number of times .
Look at the ideal $$ I= bigoplus _mathbb N mathbb Z_2$$
I claim $I_p=0 forall p in Spec R$ containing $I$.
Say $I subset p$ Consider $ain I$. Observe that $a^2=a$ and hence $a= 0 $ in $A_p$ since $1-a $ is not in $p$ ( since $ain I subset p$)
Thus every element of $I$ becomes $0$ in $A_p$ and hence $I_p=0 forall p in Spec A $
answered Apr 10 at 13:58
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do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
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localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
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then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
$begingroup$
My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
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but your example is not connected
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:17
add a comment |
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do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
$begingroup$
localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
$begingroup$
then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
$begingroup$
My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
$begingroup$
but your example is not connected
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:17
$begingroup$
do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
$begingroup$
do you think there is an example with $R$ having no idempotents and no nilpotents? Or preferably, an example with $R$ an integral domain?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:09
$begingroup$
localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
$begingroup$
localization in integral domains can never give you $0$ unless you invert $0$ itself.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:10
$begingroup$
then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
$begingroup$
then what about an example with $mathrmSpec,R$ connected reduced? or is that also impossible?
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:15
$begingroup$
My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
$begingroup$
My example gives you a reduced affine scheme. There are non non trivial nilpotents in the ring.
$endgroup$
– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 14:17
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but your example is not connected
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:17
$begingroup$
but your example is not connected
$endgroup$
– Stepan Banach
Apr 10 at 14:17
add a comment |
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Is $I$ finitely generated ? Suppose $M$ is a finitely generated $R-module$. Then $M=0 iff M_p=0 forall p in Spec R$
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– Ignorant Mathematician
Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh No finiteness hypotheses
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Apr 10 at 13:47
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@SoumikGhosh your statement about $M$ here is true without finitely generated hypothesis
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– Alex Mathers
Apr 10 at 14:50