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Can I summon an otherworldly creature with the gate spell without knowing its true name?

For example, say I cast gate and say Orcus's name. Assuming he didn't veto the gate opening, would this summon him? Or would I have to say his true name for this to work?

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Can I summon an otherworldly creature with the gate spell without knowing its true name?

For example, say I cast gate and say Orcus's name. Assuming he didn't veto the gate opening, would this summon him? Or would I have to say his true name for this to work?

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You must know the target's actual name to summon them via Gate (but there's no indication that Orcus's name isn't really Orcus)

As the gate spell describes:

When you cast this spell, you can speak the name of a specific creature (a pseudonym, title, or nickname doesn't work).

The specific term "true name" isn't used here - perhaps deliberately, to avoid harkening back to the (awful) truenaming magic system from earlier editions. As long as the name is a name legitimately used as a sort of proper name by the entity you're trying to summon, you get that creature.

You can't cast gate and say:

• Mr. Sucro (this is a pseudonym Orcus uses when booking hotel reservations incognito)


• The Blood Lord (this is Orcus's title, not his name)


• Orcy-Worcy (this is your affectionate nickname for Orcus)

But you can say "Orcus", and get Orcus, assuming he deigns to allow the gate to open in the first place¹. There's no indication in the manuals that I can find that Orcus's proper name is anything other than just Orcus.

1_{He's probably cool with you saying hi if you're on an "Orcy-Worcy" basis with him.}

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  Not sure if any of this is correct, but a reddit thread attempted to figure out if Orcus was the true name.
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  @guildsbounty Indeed they are, but that's not a "True Name" what gate asks for - just the plain old regular name.
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  @cpcodes No, you get George Sucro. The shopkeep who owns the drygoods store down the street. Awkward.
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You must know the target's actual name to summon them via Gate (but there's no indication that Orcus's name isn't really Orcus)

As the gate spell describes:

When you cast this spell, you can speak the name of a specific creature (a pseudonym, title, or nickname doesn't work).

The specific term "true name" isn't used here - perhaps deliberately, to avoid harkening back to the (awful) truenaming magic system from earlier editions. As long as the name is a name legitimately used as a sort of proper name by the entity you're trying to summon, you get that creature.

You can't cast gate and say:

• Mr. Sucro (this is a pseudonym Orcus uses when booking hotel reservations incognito)


• The Blood Lord (this is Orcus's title, not his name)


• Orcy-Worcy (this is your affectionate nickname for Orcus)

But you can say "Orcus", and get Orcus, assuming he deigns to allow the gate to open in the first place¹. There's no indication in the manuals that I can find that Orcus's proper name is anything other than just Orcus.

1_{He's probably cool with you saying hi if you're on an "Orcy-Worcy" basis with him.}

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  "Orcy-Worky" made me legitimately laugh out loud.
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  Not sure if any of this is correct, but a reddit thread attempted to figure out if Orcus was the true name.
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  @guildsbounty Indeed they are, but that's not a "True Name" what gate asks for - just the plain old regular name.
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  @T.Sar Oh...huh....missed that somehow.
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  @cpcodes No, you get George Sucro. The shopkeep who owns the drygoods store down the street. Awkward.
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  May 23 at 16:37
  

  
  
  
  

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You must know the target's actual name to summon them via Gate (but there's no indication that Orcus's name isn't really Orcus)

As the gate spell describes:

When you cast this spell, you can speak the name of a specific creature (a pseudonym, title, or nickname doesn't work).

The specific term "true name" isn't used here - perhaps deliberately, to avoid harkening back to the (awful) truenaming magic system from earlier editions. As long as the name is a name legitimately used as a sort of proper name by the entity you're trying to summon, you get that creature.

You can't cast gate and say:

• Mr. Sucro (this is a pseudonym Orcus uses when booking hotel reservations incognito)


• The Blood Lord (this is Orcus's title, not his name)


• Orcy-Worcy (this is your affectionate nickname for Orcus)

But you can say "Orcus", and get Orcus, assuming he deigns to allow the gate to open in the first place¹. There's no indication in the manuals that I can find that Orcus's proper name is anything other than just Orcus.

1_{He's probably cool with you saying hi if you're on an "Orcy-Worcy" basis with him.}

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  9
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  "Orcy-Worky" made me legitimately laugh out loud.
  $endgroup$
  – Rubiksmoose
  May 23 at 13:00
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  Not sure if any of this is correct, but a reddit thread attempted to figure out if Orcus was the true name.
  $endgroup$
  – NautArch
  May 23 at 13:14
  

  
  
  
  


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  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  @guildsbounty Indeed they are, but that's not a "True Name" what gate asks for - just the plain old regular name.
  $endgroup$
  – T. Sar
  May 23 at 13:14
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  @T.Sar Oh...huh....missed that somehow.
  $endgroup$
  – guildsbounty
  May 23 at 13:15
  

  
  
  
  


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  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  @cpcodes No, you get George Sucro. The shopkeep who owns the drygoods store down the street. Awkward.
  $endgroup$
  – NautArch
  May 23 at 16:37
  

  
  
  
  

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You must know the target's actual name to summon them via Gate (but there's no indication that Orcus's name isn't really Orcus)

As the gate spell describes:

When you cast this spell, you can speak the name of a specific creature (a pseudonym, title, or nickname doesn't work).

The specific term "true name" isn't used here - perhaps deliberately, to avoid harkening back to the (awful) truenaming magic system from earlier editions. As long as the name is a name legitimately used as a sort of proper name by the entity you're trying to summon, you get that creature.

You can't cast gate and say:

• Mr. Sucro (this is a pseudonym Orcus uses when booking hotel reservations incognito)


• The Blood Lord (this is Orcus's title, not his name)


• Orcy-Worcy (this is your affectionate nickname for Orcus)

But you can say "Orcus", and get Orcus, assuming he deigns to allow the gate to open in the first place¹. There's no indication in the manuals that I can find that Orcus's proper name is anything other than just Orcus.

1_{He's probably cool with you saying hi if you're on an "Orcy-Worcy" basis with him.}

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