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Was the Maltese Falcon a real historical artifact?
What is known about the possibility of a “real King Arthur”?Was there any mention in historical articles regarding Joan of Arc's physical appearance?Was there a Spanish plan to retake Malta, had the siege of 1565 been succesful?Were “hitmen” a real historical occupation?Were wealthy people and royals of medieval time able to distinguish real diamond/pearl/gold from fake?Was a Žaltys a real snake?In Europe, why were there few portraits showing a real likeness of the subject before the 15th century?Where is or was the place called Apapis?Did horse sacrifice persist in Christian Europe?Is (or was) there a version of the Maltese Cross with the right arrowhead missing? Does it have a name?
Am wondering if any of this is true (Hammett, The Maltese Falcon, p. 150).
"The
archives of the Order from the twelfth century on are still at Malta.
They are not intact, but what is there holds no less than three"—he
held up three fingers—"referenees that can't be to anything else but
this jeweled falcon. In J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de
l'Ordre de Saint-Jean there is a reference to it—oblique to be sure,
but a reference still. And the unpublished—because unfinished at the
time of his death—supplement to Paoli's Dell' origine ed instituto del
sacro militar ordine has a clear and unmistakable statement of the
facts I am telling you."
"All right," Spade said.
"All right, sir.
Grand Master Villiers de l'Isle d'Adam had this foothigh jeweled bird
made by Turkish slaves in the castle of St. Angelo and sent it to
Charles, who was in Spain. He sent it in a galley commanded by a
French knight named Cormier or Corvere, a member of the Order." His
voice dropped to a whisper again. "It never reached Spain." He smiled
with compressed lips and asked: "You know of Barbarossa, Redbeard,
Khair-ed-Din? No? A famous admiral of buccaneers sailing out of
Algiers then. Well, sir, he took the Knights' galley and he took the
bird. The bird went to Algiers. That's a fact. That's a fact that the
French historian Pierre Dan put in one of his letters from Algiers.
Googling just turns up page after page about movie props.
Clarification: this question asks specifically the details about the falcon, starting with bare existance.
Addition: a book by Pierre Dan, unknown whether it contains the relevant letter.
More:
It is not clear exactly how Hammett got his material. He is not known
to have read French, medieval or otherwise, or Italian. His references
must have been gleaned from a secondary source. I have been unable to
locate a simple narrative of the rental agreement between the
Hospitallers of St. John and Charles V of Spain that Hammett would
have had available to him with all of the detail Gutman provides. I
think there must be one; but what is clear, nonetheless, is that
Hammett was reading widely, carefully and thoughtfully.
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Am wondering if any of this is true (Hammett, The Maltese Falcon, p. 150).
"The
archives of the Order from the twelfth century on are still at Malta.
They are not intact, but what is there holds no less than three"—he
held up three fingers—"referenees that can't be to anything else but
this jeweled falcon. In J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de
l'Ordre de Saint-Jean there is a reference to it—oblique to be sure,
but a reference still. And the unpublished—because unfinished at the
time of his death—supplement to Paoli's Dell' origine ed instituto del
sacro militar ordine has a clear and unmistakable statement of the
facts I am telling you."
"All right," Spade said.
"All right, sir.
Grand Master Villiers de l'Isle d'Adam had this foothigh jeweled bird
made by Turkish slaves in the castle of St. Angelo and sent it to
Charles, who was in Spain. He sent it in a galley commanded by a
French knight named Cormier or Corvere, a member of the Order." His
voice dropped to a whisper again. "It never reached Spain." He smiled
with compressed lips and asked: "You know of Barbarossa, Redbeard,
Khair-ed-Din? No? A famous admiral of buccaneers sailing out of
Algiers then. Well, sir, he took the Knights' galley and he took the
bird. The bird went to Algiers. That's a fact. That's a fact that the
French historian Pierre Dan put in one of his letters from Algiers.
Googling just turns up page after page about movie props.
Clarification: this question asks specifically the details about the falcon, starting with bare existance.
Addition: a book by Pierre Dan, unknown whether it contains the relevant letter.
More:
It is not clear exactly how Hammett got his material. He is not known
to have read French, medieval or otherwise, or Italian. His references
must have been gleaned from a secondary source. I have been unable to
locate a simple narrative of the rental agreement between the
Hospitallers of St. John and Charles V of Spain that Hammett would
have had available to him with all of the detail Gutman provides. I
think there must be one; but what is clear, nonetheless, is that
Hammett was reading widely, carefully and thoughtfully.
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We don't signal edits, so I made a small clarification there. Other comment removed.
– KorvinStarmast
May 21 at 15:01
FWIW there isn't a shred of a mention of this story on Philippe Villers de l'Isle-Adam's wiki page.
– Denis de Bernardy
May 21 at 15:23
J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de l'Ordre de Saint-Jean certainly exists, so if you brush up on your French you can probably check if the oblique reference exists ;-)
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:52
And Paoli's Dell' origine ed i[n]stituto del sacro militar ordine also exists, but the unpublished supplement is probably harder to lay hands on - so your Italian can lay unpolished for now.
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:57
add a comment |
Am wondering if any of this is true (Hammett, The Maltese Falcon, p. 150).
"The
archives of the Order from the twelfth century on are still at Malta.
They are not intact, but what is there holds no less than three"—he
held up three fingers—"referenees that can't be to anything else but
this jeweled falcon. In J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de
l'Ordre de Saint-Jean there is a reference to it—oblique to be sure,
but a reference still. And the unpublished—because unfinished at the
time of his death—supplement to Paoli's Dell' origine ed instituto del
sacro militar ordine has a clear and unmistakable statement of the
facts I am telling you."
"All right," Spade said.
"All right, sir.
Grand Master Villiers de l'Isle d'Adam had this foothigh jeweled bird
made by Turkish slaves in the castle of St. Angelo and sent it to
Charles, who was in Spain. He sent it in a galley commanded by a
French knight named Cormier or Corvere, a member of the Order." His
voice dropped to a whisper again. "It never reached Spain." He smiled
with compressed lips and asked: "You know of Barbarossa, Redbeard,
Khair-ed-Din? No? A famous admiral of buccaneers sailing out of
Algiers then. Well, sir, he took the Knights' galley and he took the
bird. The bird went to Algiers. That's a fact. That's a fact that the
French historian Pierre Dan put in one of his letters from Algiers.
Googling just turns up page after page about movie props.
Clarification: this question asks specifically the details about the falcon, starting with bare existance.
Addition: a book by Pierre Dan, unknown whether it contains the relevant letter.
More:
It is not clear exactly how Hammett got his material. He is not known
to have read French, medieval or otherwise, or Italian. His references
must have been gleaned from a secondary source. I have been unable to
locate a simple narrative of the rental agreement between the
Hospitallers of St. John and Charles V of Spain that Hammett would
have had available to him with all of the detail Gutman provides. I
think there must be one; but what is clear, nonetheless, is that
Hammett was reading widely, carefully and thoughtfully.
middle-ages malta
edited May 22 at 15:55
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asked May 21 at 14:54
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Am wondering if any of this is true (Hammett, The Maltese Falcon, p. 150).
"The
archives of the Order from the twelfth century on are still at Malta.
They are not intact, but what is there holds no less than three"—he
held up three fingers—"referenees that can't be to anything else but
this jeweled falcon. In J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de
l'Ordre de Saint-Jean there is a reference to it—oblique to be sure,
but a reference still. And the unpublished—because unfinished at the
time of his death—supplement to Paoli's Dell' origine ed instituto del
sacro militar ordine has a clear and unmistakable statement of the
facts I am telling you."
"All right," Spade said.
"All right, sir.
Grand Master Villiers de l'Isle d'Adam had this foothigh jeweled bird
made by Turkish slaves in the castle of St. Angelo and sent it to
Charles, who was in Spain. He sent it in a galley commanded by a
French knight named Cormier or Corvere, a member of the Order." His
voice dropped to a whisper again. "It never reached Spain." He smiled
with compressed lips and asked: "You know of Barbarossa, Redbeard,
Khair-ed-Din? No? A famous admiral of buccaneers sailing out of
Algiers then. Well, sir, he took the Knights' galley and he took the
bird. The bird went to Algiers. That's a fact. That's a fact that the
French historian Pierre Dan put in one of his letters from Algiers.
Googling just turns up page after page about movie props.
Clarification: this question asks specifically the details about the falcon, starting with bare existance.
Addition: a book by Pierre Dan, unknown whether it contains the relevant letter.
More:
It is not clear exactly how Hammett got his material. He is not known
to have read French, medieval or otherwise, or Italian. His references
must have been gleaned from a secondary source. I have been unable to
locate a simple narrative of the rental agreement between the
Hospitallers of St. John and Charles V of Spain that Hammett would
have had available to him with all of the detail Gutman provides. I
think there must be one; but what is clear, nonetheless, is that
Hammett was reading widely, carefully and thoughtfully.
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We don't signal edits, so I made a small clarification there. Other comment removed.
– KorvinStarmast
May 21 at 15:01
FWIW there isn't a shred of a mention of this story on Philippe Villers de l'Isle-Adam's wiki page.
– Denis de Bernardy
May 21 at 15:23
J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de l'Ordre de Saint-Jean certainly exists, so if you brush up on your French you can probably check if the oblique reference exists ;-)
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:52
And Paoli's Dell' origine ed i[n]stituto del sacro militar ordine also exists, but the unpublished supplement is probably harder to lay hands on - so your Italian can lay unpolished for now.
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:57
add a comment |
1
We don't signal edits, so I made a small clarification there. Other comment removed.
– KorvinStarmast
May 21 at 15:01
FWIW there isn't a shred of a mention of this story on Philippe Villers de l'Isle-Adam's wiki page.
– Denis de Bernardy
May 21 at 15:23
J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de l'Ordre de Saint-Jean certainly exists, so if you brush up on your French you can probably check if the oblique reference exists ;-)
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:52
And Paoli's Dell' origine ed i[n]stituto del sacro militar ordine also exists, but the unpublished supplement is probably harder to lay hands on - so your Italian can lay unpolished for now.
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:57
1
1
We don't signal edits, so I made a small clarification there. Other comment removed.
– KorvinStarmast
May 21 at 15:01
We don't signal edits, so I made a small clarification there. Other comment removed.
– KorvinStarmast
May 21 at 15:01
FWIW there isn't a shred of a mention of this story on Philippe Villers de l'Isle-Adam's wiki page.
– Denis de Bernardy
May 21 at 15:23
FWIW there isn't a shred of a mention of this story on Philippe Villers de l'Isle-Adam's wiki page.
– Denis de Bernardy
May 21 at 15:23
J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de l'Ordre de Saint-Jean certainly exists, so if you brush up on your French you can probably check if the oblique reference exists ;-)
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:52
J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de l'Ordre de Saint-Jean certainly exists, so if you brush up on your French you can probably check if the oblique reference exists ;-)
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:52
And Paoli's Dell' origine ed i[n]stituto del sacro militar ordine also exists, but the unpublished supplement is probably harder to lay hands on - so your Italian can lay unpolished for now.
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:57
And Paoli's Dell' origine ed i[n]stituto del sacro militar ordine also exists, but the unpublished supplement is probably harder to lay hands on - so your Italian can lay unpolished for now.
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:57
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While the "Maltese Falcon" itself is fictional the object might have been inspired by a real one - albeit one without the exciting Knights Templar and Pirates(!) backstory. The "Kniphausen Hawk" is a bejeweled drinking vessel dating to at least 1697 and is currently owned by the Duke of Devonshire, being ~15 inches high and literally covered in gemstones it would certainly fit the bill (pun intended!) but it has nothing to do with Malta or Algiers and I've not been able to find any evidence to show that Hammet was aware of the Kniphausen Hawk.
answered May 21 at 15:50
motosubatsumotosubatsu
855111
2
Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
2
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
2
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
1
@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
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These are facts, historical facts, not schoolbook history, not Mr. Wells's history, but history nevertheless. ...
I believe what this is saying is that the following information isn't written down in any history book anywhere, but (in Hammet's fictional universe) did actually happen.
Its meant to both lay out some background information to the reader, and to clue them in that this is stuff the author made up to make his story interesting, and help drive its plot.
As far as real world information goes, you should translate the quoted sentence above as "These are fictional facts my author made up, that are only valid within the confines of this book."
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
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Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
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While the "Maltese Falcon" itself is fictional the object might have been inspired by a real one - albeit one without the exciting Knights Templar and Pirates(!) backstory. The "Kniphausen Hawk" is a bejeweled drinking vessel dating to at least 1697 and is currently owned by the Duke of Devonshire, being ~15 inches high and literally covered in gemstones it would certainly fit the bill (pun intended!) but it has nothing to do with Malta or Algiers and I've not been able to find any evidence to show that Hammet was aware of the Kniphausen Hawk.
answered May 21 at 15:50
motosubatsumotosubatsu
855111
2
Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
2
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
2
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
1
@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
|
show 7 more comments
While the "Maltese Falcon" itself is fictional the object might have been inspired by a real one - albeit one without the exciting Knights Templar and Pirates(!) backstory. The "Kniphausen Hawk" is a bejeweled drinking vessel dating to at least 1697 and is currently owned by the Duke of Devonshire, being ~15 inches high and literally covered in gemstones it would certainly fit the bill (pun intended!) but it has nothing to do with Malta or Algiers and I've not been able to find any evidence to show that Hammet was aware of the Kniphausen Hawk.
answered May 21 at 15:50
motosubatsumotosubatsu
855111
2
Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
2
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
2
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
1
@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
|
show 7 more comments
While the "Maltese Falcon" itself is fictional the object might have been inspired by a real one - albeit one without the exciting Knights Templar and Pirates(!) backstory. The "Kniphausen Hawk" is a bejeweled drinking vessel dating to at least 1697 and is currently owned by the Duke of Devonshire, being ~15 inches high and literally covered in gemstones it would certainly fit the bill (pun intended!) but it has nothing to do with Malta or Algiers and I've not been able to find any evidence to show that Hammet was aware of the Kniphausen Hawk.
answered May 21 at 15:50
motosubatsumotosubatsu
855111
While the "Maltese Falcon" itself is fictional the object might have been inspired by a real one - albeit one without the exciting Knights Templar and Pirates(!) backstory. The "Kniphausen Hawk" is a bejeweled drinking vessel dating to at least 1697 and is currently owned by the Duke of Devonshire, being ~15 inches high and literally covered in gemstones it would certainly fit the bill (pun intended!) but it has nothing to do with Malta or Algiers and I've not been able to find any evidence to show that Hammet was aware of the Kniphausen Hawk.
answered May 21 at 15:50
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855111
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Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
2
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
2
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
1
@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
|
show 7 more comments
2
Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
2
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
2
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
1
@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
2
2
Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
Actually, this wiki page says "The 'Maltese Falcon' itself is said to have been based on the 'Kniphausen Hawk'."
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:05
2
2
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
And it's the Hospitallers not the Templars.
– Tomas By
May 21 at 18:06
2
2
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
@Tomas By - "is said" by whom? The Wikipedia article references a 2010 Daily Mail piece in which we find "the Duke in his study... cradling the fabulous Kniphausen Hawk", immediately revealing what "is said" about it. I'm happy to be contradicted, but I think I can be forgiven for suspecting that the only people this "is said" by are those with a commercial interest in such a thing being said...
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:39
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@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy that ties with what I've always read about it - none of the various articles I've seen making this claim ever seem to be able to cite a source for the claim which makes it anecdotal at best.
– motosubatsu
May 22 at 7:55
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
@Jeremy: I just noticed it when googling. But I don't think Hammett made the whole thing up, all by himself.
– Tomas By
May 22 at 8:42
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These are facts, historical facts, not schoolbook history, not Mr. Wells's history, but history nevertheless. ...
I believe what this is saying is that the following information isn't written down in any history book anywhere, but (in Hammet's fictional universe) did actually happen.
Its meant to both lay out some background information to the reader, and to clue them in that this is stuff the author made up to make his story interesting, and help drive its plot.
As far as real world information goes, you should translate the quoted sentence above as "These are fictional facts my author made up, that are only valid within the confines of this book."
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
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Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
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These are facts, historical facts, not schoolbook history, not Mr. Wells's history, but history nevertheless. ...
I believe what this is saying is that the following information isn't written down in any history book anywhere, but (in Hammet's fictional universe) did actually happen.
Its meant to both lay out some background information to the reader, and to clue them in that this is stuff the author made up to make his story interesting, and help drive its plot.
As far as real world information goes, you should translate the quoted sentence above as "These are fictional facts my author made up, that are only valid within the confines of this book."
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
79.6k11181330
4
Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
add a comment |
These are facts, historical facts, not schoolbook history, not Mr. Wells's history, but history nevertheless. ...
I believe what this is saying is that the following information isn't written down in any history book anywhere, but (in Hammet's fictional universe) did actually happen.
Its meant to both lay out some background information to the reader, and to clue them in that this is stuff the author made up to make his story interesting, and help drive its plot.
As far as real world information goes, you should translate the quoted sentence above as "These are fictional facts my author made up, that are only valid within the confines of this book."
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
79.6k11181330
These are facts, historical facts, not schoolbook history, not Mr. Wells's history, but history nevertheless. ...
I believe what this is saying is that the following information isn't written down in any history book anywhere, but (in Hammet's fictional universe) did actually happen.
Its meant to both lay out some background information to the reader, and to clue them in that this is stuff the author made up to make his story interesting, and help drive its plot.
As far as real world information goes, you should translate the quoted sentence above as "These are fictional facts my author made up, that are only valid within the confines of this book."
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
79.6k11181330
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
79.6k11181330
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
79.6k11181330
answered May 21 at 15:32
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
79.6k11181330
79.6k11181330
4
Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
add a comment |
4
Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
4
4
Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
Yeah, it's not facts, that stuff is made out of dreams.
– Ne Mo
May 21 at 21:54
add a comment |
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– KorvinStarmast
May 21 at 15:01
FWIW there isn't a shred of a mention of this story on Philippe Villers de l'Isle-Adam's wiki page.
– Denis de Bernardy
May 21 at 15:23
J. Delaville Le Roulx's Les Archives de l'Ordre de Saint-Jean certainly exists, so if you brush up on your French you can probably check if the oblique reference exists ;-)
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:52
And Paoli's Dell' origine ed i[n]stituto del sacro militar ordine also exists, but the unpublished supplement is probably harder to lay hands on - so your Italian can lay unpolished for now.
– Jeremy
May 22 at 7:57