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Why is one of Madera Municipal's runways labelled with only “R” on both sides?
landing with east to west wind on runway 11/29
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I was looking on Google Maps satellite view and noticed Madera Municipal Airport in Madera, CA (ICAO KMAE) has an east-west runway labelled with nothing but the letter "R" on both sides. There is no parallel runway. Why the strange marking? Airnav reports it as runway 8/26, so why not label it that?
Composite for both ends via Google Earth
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I was looking on Google Maps satellite view and noticed Madera Municipal Airport in Madera, CA (ICAO KMAE) has an east-west runway labelled with nothing but the letter "R" on both sides. There is no parallel runway. Why the strange marking? Airnav reports it as runway 8/26, so why not label it that?
Composite for both ends via Google Earth
runways airport-markings
edited Jun 3 at 18:48
ymb1
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asked Jun 3 at 18:18
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I was looking on Google Maps satellite view and noticed Madera Municipal Airport in Madera, CA (ICAO KMAE) has an east-west runway labelled with nothing but the letter "R" on both sides. There is no parallel runway. Why the strange marking? Airnav reports it as runway 8/26, so why not label it that?
Composite for both ends via Google Earth
runways airport-markings
edited Jun 3 at 18:48
ymb1
74.9k7243403
asked Jun 3 at 18:18
D. StroutD. Strout
406414
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I was looking on Google Maps satellite view and noticed Madera Municipal Airport in Madera, CA (ICAO KMAE) has an east-west runway labelled with nothing but the letter "R" on both sides. There is no parallel runway. Why the strange marking? Airnav reports it as runway 8/26, so why not label it that?
Composite for both ends via Google Earth
runways airport-markings
runways airport-markings
edited Jun 3 at 18:48
ymb1
74.9k7243403
asked Jun 3 at 18:18
D. StroutD. Strout
406414
edited Jun 3 at 18:48
ymb1
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asked Jun 3 at 18:18
D. StroutD. Strout
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edited Jun 3 at 18:48
ymb1
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edited Jun 3 at 18:48
ymb1
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asked Jun 3 at 18:18
D. StroutD. Strout
406414
asked Jun 3 at 18:18
D. StroutD. Strout
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406414
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R is for Restricted. From the chart supplement (formerly AF/D) that runway (8-26) is restricted for agricultural use only.
It's non-standard, both internationally (ICAO) and on the FAA level for Part 139 airports (see AC 150/5340-1M). Note that the airport is neither international nor Part 139, so standards may not apply.
(via skyvector.com)
Beyond the meaning of the non-standard R, the Madera County's website offers this (PDF; Sep 2015):
Future abandonment of Runway 8/26 when the agricultural aerial applicator lease expires in 2019.
This hints at a legal agreement with a local agricultural operation. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the local government there can offer more insight.
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
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And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
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– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
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Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
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– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
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Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
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– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
3
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@Dannie: see update.
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– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
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If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
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– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
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show 2 more comments
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An operation I am familiar with uses a turf runway, not listed in the AFD, which is parallel to a paved runway for their ag operations. Time is essential when reloading ag operators, and the turf runway accomplishes that. When conditions dictate, they may use the paved runway, but turf is preferred. Waiting for students to run up a C150 several times a day has a direct impact on productivity.
Similarly, another field has a turf runway parallel to a paved runway, which is used for a glider club. It speeds their operations, and is safer for them, and less aggravation to the folks using the paved runway. IMO there could be better signage to explain things to transients, but as a sometimes tow pilot for them, it does simplify things quite a bit, and the ropes last longer on grass.
Finally, the first airport mentioned also had glider operations at one time on the other side of the paved runway, which resulted in traffic advisories such as XXX LANDING ON 28 RIGHT TURF, and XXX LANDING ON 28 LEFT TURF. Again, it caused some confusion, but greatly enhanced the airport's capacity, and had a relative increase in risk reduction by a small separation of differing traffic close to the thresholds.
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
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Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
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– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
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R is for Restricted. From the chart supplement (formerly AF/D) that runway (8-26) is restricted for agricultural use only.
It's non-standard, both internationally (ICAO) and on the FAA level for Part 139 airports (see AC 150/5340-1M). Note that the airport is neither international nor Part 139, so standards may not apply.
(via skyvector.com)
Beyond the meaning of the non-standard R, the Madera County's website offers this (PDF; Sep 2015):
Future abandonment of Runway 8/26 when the agricultural aerial applicator lease expires in 2019.
This hints at a legal agreement with a local agricultural operation. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the local government there can offer more insight.
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
$endgroup$
5
$begingroup$
And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
3
$begingroup$
Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
3
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Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
$endgroup$
– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
3
$begingroup$
@Dannie: see update.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
3
$begingroup$
If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
$endgroup$
– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
|
show 2 more comments
$begingroup$
R is for Restricted. From the chart supplement (formerly AF/D) that runway (8-26) is restricted for agricultural use only.
It's non-standard, both internationally (ICAO) and on the FAA level for Part 139 airports (see AC 150/5340-1M). Note that the airport is neither international nor Part 139, so standards may not apply.
(via skyvector.com)
Beyond the meaning of the non-standard R, the Madera County's website offers this (PDF; Sep 2015):
Future abandonment of Runway 8/26 when the agricultural aerial applicator lease expires in 2019.
This hints at a legal agreement with a local agricultural operation. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the local government there can offer more insight.
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
$endgroup$
5
$begingroup$
And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
3
$begingroup$
Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
3
$begingroup$
Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
$endgroup$
– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
3
$begingroup$
@Dannie: see update.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
3
$begingroup$
If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
$endgroup$
– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
|
show 2 more comments
$begingroup$
R is for Restricted. From the chart supplement (formerly AF/D) that runway (8-26) is restricted for agricultural use only.
It's non-standard, both internationally (ICAO) and on the FAA level for Part 139 airports (see AC 150/5340-1M). Note that the airport is neither international nor Part 139, so standards may not apply.
(via skyvector.com)
Beyond the meaning of the non-standard R, the Madera County's website offers this (PDF; Sep 2015):
Future abandonment of Runway 8/26 when the agricultural aerial applicator lease expires in 2019.
This hints at a legal agreement with a local agricultural operation. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the local government there can offer more insight.
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
$endgroup$
R is for Restricted. From the chart supplement (formerly AF/D) that runway (8-26) is restricted for agricultural use only.
It's non-standard, both internationally (ICAO) and on the FAA level for Part 139 airports (see AC 150/5340-1M). Note that the airport is neither international nor Part 139, so standards may not apply.
(via skyvector.com)
Beyond the meaning of the non-standard R, the Madera County's website offers this (PDF; Sep 2015):
Future abandonment of Runway 8/26 when the agricultural aerial applicator lease expires in 2019.
This hints at a legal agreement with a local agricultural operation. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the local government there can offer more insight.
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
edited Jun 4 at 15:47
reirab
15.2k144114
15.2k144114
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
answered Jun 3 at 18:25
ymb1ymb1
74.9k7243403
74.9k7243403
5
$begingroup$
And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
3
$begingroup$
Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
3
$begingroup$
Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
$endgroup$
– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
3
$begingroup$
@Dannie: see update.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
3
$begingroup$
If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
$endgroup$
– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
|
show 2 more comments
5
$begingroup$
And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
3
$begingroup$
Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
3
$begingroup$
Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
$endgroup$
– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
3
$begingroup$
@Dannie: see update.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
3
$begingroup$
If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
$endgroup$
– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
5
5
$begingroup$
And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
$begingroup$
And the P means... PARTY ON!!!!!
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:47
3
3
$begingroup$
Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
$begingroup$
Is this normal practice? Are there any other instances of it?
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 3 at 20:26
3
3
$begingroup$
Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
$endgroup$
– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
$begingroup$
Why would a runway be designated for agricultural use only? I understand they don't have to give a reason, but I'm guessing there is one.
$endgroup$
– Dannie
Jun 3 at 21:16
3
3
$begingroup$
@Dannie: see update.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
$begingroup$
@Dannie: see update.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
Jun 3 at 21:29
3
3
$begingroup$
If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
$endgroup$
– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
$begingroup$
If you look at Google Satellite, it looks like there's a crop-dusting FBO with direct access to the center of runway 8/26; and there may have been another one in the past near the west end of the runway.
$endgroup$
– Michael Seifert
Jun 4 at 13:56
|
show 2 more comments
$begingroup$
An operation I am familiar with uses a turf runway, not listed in the AFD, which is parallel to a paved runway for their ag operations. Time is essential when reloading ag operators, and the turf runway accomplishes that. When conditions dictate, they may use the paved runway, but turf is preferred. Waiting for students to run up a C150 several times a day has a direct impact on productivity.
Similarly, another field has a turf runway parallel to a paved runway, which is used for a glider club. It speeds their operations, and is safer for them, and less aggravation to the folks using the paved runway. IMO there could be better signage to explain things to transients, but as a sometimes tow pilot for them, it does simplify things quite a bit, and the ropes last longer on grass.
Finally, the first airport mentioned also had glider operations at one time on the other side of the paved runway, which resulted in traffic advisories such as XXX LANDING ON 28 RIGHT TURF, and XXX LANDING ON 28 LEFT TURF. Again, it caused some confusion, but greatly enhanced the airport's capacity, and had a relative increase in risk reduction by a small separation of differing traffic close to the thresholds.
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
add a comment |
$begingroup$
An operation I am familiar with uses a turf runway, not listed in the AFD, which is parallel to a paved runway for their ag operations. Time is essential when reloading ag operators, and the turf runway accomplishes that. When conditions dictate, they may use the paved runway, but turf is preferred. Waiting for students to run up a C150 several times a day has a direct impact on productivity.
Similarly, another field has a turf runway parallel to a paved runway, which is used for a glider club. It speeds their operations, and is safer for them, and less aggravation to the folks using the paved runway. IMO there could be better signage to explain things to transients, but as a sometimes tow pilot for them, it does simplify things quite a bit, and the ropes last longer on grass.
Finally, the first airport mentioned also had glider operations at one time on the other side of the paved runway, which resulted in traffic advisories such as XXX LANDING ON 28 RIGHT TURF, and XXX LANDING ON 28 LEFT TURF. Again, it caused some confusion, but greatly enhanced the airport's capacity, and had a relative increase in risk reduction by a small separation of differing traffic close to the thresholds.
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
add a comment |
$begingroup$
An operation I am familiar with uses a turf runway, not listed in the AFD, which is parallel to a paved runway for their ag operations. Time is essential when reloading ag operators, and the turf runway accomplishes that. When conditions dictate, they may use the paved runway, but turf is preferred. Waiting for students to run up a C150 several times a day has a direct impact on productivity.
Similarly, another field has a turf runway parallel to a paved runway, which is used for a glider club. It speeds their operations, and is safer for them, and less aggravation to the folks using the paved runway. IMO there could be better signage to explain things to transients, but as a sometimes tow pilot for them, it does simplify things quite a bit, and the ropes last longer on grass.
Finally, the first airport mentioned also had glider operations at one time on the other side of the paved runway, which resulted in traffic advisories such as XXX LANDING ON 28 RIGHT TURF, and XXX LANDING ON 28 LEFT TURF. Again, it caused some confusion, but greatly enhanced the airport's capacity, and had a relative increase in risk reduction by a small separation of differing traffic close to the thresholds.
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
$endgroup$
An operation I am familiar with uses a turf runway, not listed in the AFD, which is parallel to a paved runway for their ag operations. Time is essential when reloading ag operators, and the turf runway accomplishes that. When conditions dictate, they may use the paved runway, but turf is preferred. Waiting for students to run up a C150 several times a day has a direct impact on productivity.
Similarly, another field has a turf runway parallel to a paved runway, which is used for a glider club. It speeds their operations, and is safer for them, and less aggravation to the folks using the paved runway. IMO there could be better signage to explain things to transients, but as a sometimes tow pilot for them, it does simplify things quite a bit, and the ropes last longer on grass.
Finally, the first airport mentioned also had glider operations at one time on the other side of the paved runway, which resulted in traffic advisories such as XXX LANDING ON 28 RIGHT TURF, and XXX LANDING ON 28 LEFT TURF. Again, it caused some confusion, but greatly enhanced the airport's capacity, and had a relative increase in risk reduction by a small separation of differing traffic close to the thresholds.
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
answered Jun 4 at 17:58
mongomongo
13.7k1562
13.7k1562
$begingroup$
Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
$begingroup$
Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
$begingroup$
Cool! Thanks for that info, clears up why an airfield might have a dedicated runway just for ag (or glider) use.
$endgroup$
– D. Strout
Jun 8 at 15:11
add a comment |
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