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Can a caster that cast Polymorph on themselves stop concentrating at any point even if their Int is low?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHow worldly is a polymorphic elf?Can a polymorphed creature use class features that don't require speech or hand gestures?What is the meaning of 'permanent' in description of True Polymorph?How do multiple castings of True Polymorph interact?Does a True Polymorphed player character continue to gain experience?How does true polymorph interact with class feature companions?Undead thrall attribute. How does it work with the True Polymorph spellWhat happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?Does the save DC of a spell decrease if the original spellcaster polymorphs on a later turn?How much damage carries over, or which attack triggers the end of Polymorph?
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating. In-game, we had a character with the capability to speak to me in T-Rex form and successfully explained to me that as I am now I was useless and to stop the spell.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP was depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating. In-game, we had a character with the capability to speak to me in T-Rex form and successfully explained to me that as I am now I was useless and to stop the spell.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP was depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating. In-game, we had a character with the capability to speak to me in T-Rex form and successfully explained to me that as I am now I was useless and to stop the spell.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP was depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating. In-game, we had a character with the capability to speak to me in T-Rex form and successfully explained to me that as I am now I was useless and to stop the spell.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP was depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If this creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
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@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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$begingroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If this creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
answered yesterday
David CoffronDavid Coffron
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I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
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– Admiral Jota
8 hours ago
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@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
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– David Coffron
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If this creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
answered yesterday
David CoffronDavid Coffron
38.7k3133275
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If this creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
answered yesterday
David CoffronDavid Coffron
38.7k3133275
$endgroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If this creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
answered yesterday
David CoffronDavid Coffron
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edited 8 hours ago
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David CoffronDavid Coffron
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answered yesterday
David CoffronDavid Coffron
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David CoffronDavid Coffron
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$begingroup$
I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I don't think this question is about the rules for concentration. As I understand it, it's more about to what degree someone polymorphed into a creature with low intelligence can make tactical decisions (where "ending concentration" just happens to be the particular decision under consideration here).
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@AdmiralJota that question is quite a bit broader. My answer addresses the concentration question fully (using the inclusion of concentration spells on an INT 3 creature as evidence that the game assumes that at the very least INT 3 creatures can make such a decision)
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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$begingroup$
RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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$begingroup$
RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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answered yesterday
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$endgroup$
RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
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@ArturBiesiadowski Please don't answer in comments, we don't do that here.
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– NautArch
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@dsollen Please don't answer in comments.
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– NautArch
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Here’s a link to the relevant FAQ about answers in comments.
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– SevenSidedDie♦
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