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I want to verify that the user account filesender_1 is a member of the group valid_senders.



When I look at /etc/group, filesender_1 is not there:



valid_senders:x:12345:production_1


I read this as "production_1 is the only member of the group valid_senders, whose group id is 12345."



However:



When I look at /etc/passwd, the group id for valid_senders is listed for filesender_1 ...



filesender_1:x:1515:12345:filesender_1:/local/home/filesender_1:/bin/sh


... so I know valid_senders is the primary group for filesender_1.



Is this a surprising discrepancy, or is it normal for /etc/group to list only members where the group is secondary?










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    5















    I want to verify that the user account filesender_1 is a member of the group valid_senders.



    When I look at /etc/group, filesender_1 is not there:



    valid_senders:x:12345:production_1


    I read this as "production_1 is the only member of the group valid_senders, whose group id is 12345."



    However:



    When I look at /etc/passwd, the group id for valid_senders is listed for filesender_1 ...



    filesender_1:x:1515:12345:filesender_1:/local/home/filesender_1:/bin/sh


    ... so I know valid_senders is the primary group for filesender_1.



    Is this a surprising discrepancy, or is it normal for /etc/group to list only members where the group is secondary?










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      I want to verify that the user account filesender_1 is a member of the group valid_senders.



      When I look at /etc/group, filesender_1 is not there:



      valid_senders:x:12345:production_1


      I read this as "production_1 is the only member of the group valid_senders, whose group id is 12345."



      However:



      When I look at /etc/passwd, the group id for valid_senders is listed for filesender_1 ...



      filesender_1:x:1515:12345:filesender_1:/local/home/filesender_1:/bin/sh


      ... so I know valid_senders is the primary group for filesender_1.



      Is this a surprising discrepancy, or is it normal for /etc/group to list only members where the group is secondary?










      share|improve this question














      I want to verify that the user account filesender_1 is a member of the group valid_senders.



      When I look at /etc/group, filesender_1 is not there:



      valid_senders:x:12345:production_1


      I read this as "production_1 is the only member of the group valid_senders, whose group id is 12345."



      However:



      When I look at /etc/passwd, the group id for valid_senders is listed for filesender_1 ...



      filesender_1:x:1515:12345:filesender_1:/local/home/filesender_1:/bin/sh


      ... so I know valid_senders is the primary group for filesender_1.



      Is this a surprising discrepancy, or is it normal for /etc/group to list only members where the group is secondary?







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          Yes, this discrepancy is normal. I've seen it so many times I stopped looking at the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files and instead started looking at group memberships the way they should be looked at: getent group <groupname> and groups <username>.






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          • 1





            This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

            – 71GA
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            This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

            – DJ Far
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          Yes, there is a difference between the primary and supplementary groups. The primary group is the main one shown in /etc/passwd, that a user is in upon login. For a user to be in a supplementary group, their user name is added to the group entry in /etc/group. If you use id -a <user>, it will show the primary and the supplementary groups. The supplementary groups give access to resources, but any new files are created with primary group.



          You can change a users currently active primary group using the newgrp command.



          It is not necessary for a user to have the primary group also be a secondary group. All it will do is reduce the number of secondary groups a user can be part of. Traditionally a user was limited to 32 secondary groups, but that may have changed in recent years.



          usermod can set a users primary and supplementary groups in one command. Using a configuration management tool like puppet can also do that without having to worry about what specific command is necessary on different types of unixes.






          share|improve this answer
































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            There exists a program called members you can install on most linux distros that lists the actual members of a group whether it is their primary group or a supplementary group.



            Typically, when a user is created without specifying a group with -g or --gid, the default behavior is to set their primary group as their username, and this gid is not placed in the /etc/group file. Hence files and directories created by the user joe will have ownership joe:joe. But you will not find group 'joe' in the /etc/group file.



            If you add the user joe to group 'students', then running



            getent group students


            will show joe in the list of users in group students.



            Running the program



            members <groupname>


            on a group will show users who are members, either primary or supplementary, of groupname.






            share|improve this answer






























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              Generally speaking, system administrators should add the user to their primary group's member list in /etc/group because the getpwent() family of system calls will remove duplicates when called. Programs aren't supposed to read /etc/group or /etc/passwd directly, they are supposed to use the system calls. All this has been true for at least 20 years now, and probably much longer.






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              • The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                – womble
                May 15 at 23:02











              • Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                – Medievalist
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              You should use
              lid -g <group>'






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                This needs a better explanation.

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              Yes, this discrepancy is normal. I've seen it so many times I stopped looking at the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files and instead started looking at group memberships the way they should be looked at: getent group <groupname> and groups <username>.






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              • 1





                This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

                – 71GA
                Nov 9 '17 at 13:31







              • 2





                This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

                – DJ Far
                Jan 19 '18 at 14:52















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              Yes, this discrepancy is normal. I've seen it so many times I stopped looking at the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files and instead started looking at group memberships the way they should be looked at: getent group <groupname> and groups <username>.






              share|improve this answer


















              • 1





                This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

                – 71GA
                Nov 9 '17 at 13:31







              • 2





                This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

                – DJ Far
                Jan 19 '18 at 14:52













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              Yes, this discrepancy is normal. I've seen it so many times I stopped looking at the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files and instead started looking at group memberships the way they should be looked at: getent group <groupname> and groups <username>.






              share|improve this answer













              Yes, this discrepancy is normal. I've seen it so many times I stopped looking at the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files and instead started looking at group memberships the way they should be looked at: getent group <groupname> and groups <username>.







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              • 1





                This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

                – 71GA
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              • 2





                This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

                – DJ Far
                Jan 19 '18 at 14:52












              • 1





                This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

                – 71GA
                Nov 9 '17 at 13:31







              • 2





                This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

                – DJ Far
                Jan 19 '18 at 14:52







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              This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

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              This doesn't show the right result...@isd's answer is better!

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              This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

              – DJ Far
              Jan 19 '18 at 14:52





              This is not a solution to the problem... it in fact demonstrates the discrepancy. getent group <groupname> does not list users whose primary group is groupname, only those who've been added to groupname as a supplementary group.

              – DJ Far
              Jan 19 '18 at 14:52













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              Yes, there is a difference between the primary and supplementary groups. The primary group is the main one shown in /etc/passwd, that a user is in upon login. For a user to be in a supplementary group, their user name is added to the group entry in /etc/group. If you use id -a <user>, it will show the primary and the supplementary groups. The supplementary groups give access to resources, but any new files are created with primary group.



              You can change a users currently active primary group using the newgrp command.



              It is not necessary for a user to have the primary group also be a secondary group. All it will do is reduce the number of secondary groups a user can be part of. Traditionally a user was limited to 32 secondary groups, but that may have changed in recent years.



              usermod can set a users primary and supplementary groups in one command. Using a configuration management tool like puppet can also do that without having to worry about what specific command is necessary on different types of unixes.






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                Yes, there is a difference between the primary and supplementary groups. The primary group is the main one shown in /etc/passwd, that a user is in upon login. For a user to be in a supplementary group, their user name is added to the group entry in /etc/group. If you use id -a <user>, it will show the primary and the supplementary groups. The supplementary groups give access to resources, but any new files are created with primary group.



                You can change a users currently active primary group using the newgrp command.



                It is not necessary for a user to have the primary group also be a secondary group. All it will do is reduce the number of secondary groups a user can be part of. Traditionally a user was limited to 32 secondary groups, but that may have changed in recent years.



                usermod can set a users primary and supplementary groups in one command. Using a configuration management tool like puppet can also do that without having to worry about what specific command is necessary on different types of unixes.






                share|improve this answer



























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                  Yes, there is a difference between the primary and supplementary groups. The primary group is the main one shown in /etc/passwd, that a user is in upon login. For a user to be in a supplementary group, their user name is added to the group entry in /etc/group. If you use id -a <user>, it will show the primary and the supplementary groups. The supplementary groups give access to resources, but any new files are created with primary group.



                  You can change a users currently active primary group using the newgrp command.



                  It is not necessary for a user to have the primary group also be a secondary group. All it will do is reduce the number of secondary groups a user can be part of. Traditionally a user was limited to 32 secondary groups, but that may have changed in recent years.



                  usermod can set a users primary and supplementary groups in one command. Using a configuration management tool like puppet can also do that without having to worry about what specific command is necessary on different types of unixes.






                  share|improve this answer















                  Yes, there is a difference between the primary and supplementary groups. The primary group is the main one shown in /etc/passwd, that a user is in upon login. For a user to be in a supplementary group, their user name is added to the group entry in /etc/group. If you use id -a <user>, it will show the primary and the supplementary groups. The supplementary groups give access to resources, but any new files are created with primary group.



                  You can change a users currently active primary group using the newgrp command.



                  It is not necessary for a user to have the primary group also be a secondary group. All it will do is reduce the number of secondary groups a user can be part of. Traditionally a user was limited to 32 secondary groups, but that may have changed in recent years.



                  usermod can set a users primary and supplementary groups in one command. Using a configuration management tool like puppet can also do that without having to worry about what specific command is necessary on different types of unixes.







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                      There exists a program called members you can install on most linux distros that lists the actual members of a group whether it is their primary group or a supplementary group.



                      Typically, when a user is created without specifying a group with -g or --gid, the default behavior is to set their primary group as their username, and this gid is not placed in the /etc/group file. Hence files and directories created by the user joe will have ownership joe:joe. But you will not find group 'joe' in the /etc/group file.



                      If you add the user joe to group 'students', then running



                      getent group students


                      will show joe in the list of users in group students.



                      Running the program



                      members <groupname>


                      on a group will show users who are members, either primary or supplementary, of groupname.






                      share|improve this answer



























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                        There exists a program called members you can install on most linux distros that lists the actual members of a group whether it is their primary group or a supplementary group.



                        Typically, when a user is created without specifying a group with -g or --gid, the default behavior is to set their primary group as their username, and this gid is not placed in the /etc/group file. Hence files and directories created by the user joe will have ownership joe:joe. But you will not find group 'joe' in the /etc/group file.



                        If you add the user joe to group 'students', then running



                        getent group students


                        will show joe in the list of users in group students.



                        Running the program



                        members <groupname>


                        on a group will show users who are members, either primary or supplementary, of groupname.






                        share|improve this answer

























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                          There exists a program called members you can install on most linux distros that lists the actual members of a group whether it is their primary group or a supplementary group.



                          Typically, when a user is created without specifying a group with -g or --gid, the default behavior is to set their primary group as their username, and this gid is not placed in the /etc/group file. Hence files and directories created by the user joe will have ownership joe:joe. But you will not find group 'joe' in the /etc/group file.



                          If you add the user joe to group 'students', then running



                          getent group students


                          will show joe in the list of users in group students.



                          Running the program



                          members <groupname>


                          on a group will show users who are members, either primary or supplementary, of groupname.






                          share|improve this answer













                          There exists a program called members you can install on most linux distros that lists the actual members of a group whether it is their primary group or a supplementary group.



                          Typically, when a user is created without specifying a group with -g or --gid, the default behavior is to set their primary group as their username, and this gid is not placed in the /etc/group file. Hence files and directories created by the user joe will have ownership joe:joe. But you will not find group 'joe' in the /etc/group file.



                          If you add the user joe to group 'students', then running



                          getent group students


                          will show joe in the list of users in group students.



                          Running the program



                          members <groupname>


                          on a group will show users who are members, either primary or supplementary, of groupname.







                          share|improve this answer












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                              Generally speaking, system administrators should add the user to their primary group's member list in /etc/group because the getpwent() family of system calls will remove duplicates when called. Programs aren't supposed to read /etc/group or /etc/passwd directly, they are supposed to use the system calls. All this has been true for at least 20 years now, and probably much longer.






                              share|improve this answer























                              • The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                                – womble
                                May 15 at 23:02











                              • Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                                – Medievalist
                                May 19 at 2:37















                              0














                              Generally speaking, system administrators should add the user to their primary group's member list in /etc/group because the getpwent() family of system calls will remove duplicates when called. Programs aren't supposed to read /etc/group or /etc/passwd directly, they are supposed to use the system calls. All this has been true for at least 20 years now, and probably much longer.






                              share|improve this answer























                              • The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                                – womble
                                May 15 at 23:02











                              • Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                                – Medievalist
                                May 19 at 2:37













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                              Generally speaking, system administrators should add the user to their primary group's member list in /etc/group because the getpwent() family of system calls will remove duplicates when called. Programs aren't supposed to read /etc/group or /etc/passwd directly, they are supposed to use the system calls. All this has been true for at least 20 years now, and probably much longer.






                              share|improve this answer













                              Generally speaking, system administrators should add the user to their primary group's member list in /etc/group because the getpwent() family of system calls will remove duplicates when called. Programs aren't supposed to read /etc/group or /etc/passwd directly, they are supposed to use the system calls. All this has been true for at least 20 years now, and probably much longer.







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                              • The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                                – womble
                                May 15 at 23:02











                              • Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                                – Medievalist
                                May 19 at 2:37

















                              • The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                                – womble
                                May 15 at 23:02











                              • Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                                – Medievalist
                                May 19 at 2:37
















                              The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                              – womble
                              May 15 at 23:02





                              The two halves of your answer contradict each other.

                              – womble
                              May 15 at 23:02













                              Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                              – Medievalist
                              May 19 at 2:37





                              Don't know how to say it better, nor what you mean by halves, but I'll try an example. My primary group is sysman, gid 1200. So in my /etc/password entry, the gid field contains 1200, and my userid also appears in the list of userids for group sysman in /etc/group. When any program uses the standard means of asking for my group memberships, everything works. But remember programs should never read / etc/passed or /etc/group, that dodges the name service switch and is very bad practice. Use the system calls.

                              – Medievalist
                              May 19 at 2:37











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                              You should use
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                              You should use
                              lid -g <group>'






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                                – Sven
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                              You should use
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                              You should use
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                              answered Feb 13 '18 at 12:20









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