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EDIT: Why would I want to do such a thing?

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

Carrying on:

The auto-suggessted topics by Server Fault were very relevant. However, I was not able to make use of the answers, and I didn't realize, but I don't have enough rep here to comment to bump them to get answers (I do elsewhere though). I found more chatter about pfSense here than on the Network Engineering SE, so I figured this would be a good place to ask for help.

I discovered pfSense a week or so ago and set up a laptop with 2.2.6 to test it out on. The built in Ethernet port is the WAN (re0), I installed a USB Ethernet adapter (ue0), and bridged ue0 and the Wi-Fi (ath0). I also set up the WAN to route to a commercial OpenVPN provider.

LAN and Wi-Fi can grab DHCP addresses from pfSense, and go out the VPN. However, they cannot talk to each other. I would like for them to talk to each other too. The Wi-Fi is simply for me to manage the single machine on the LAN, not some major thoroughfare of traffic.

If I am successful with this test, I will eventually purpose build a machine to different specs and re-architect things. My intent was a down and dirty, quick test to get things up and running.

I have stumbled across several posts on the pfSense forum, and various SE's, asking for help getting bridging to work, and there are several questions here, all/most of which have answers with "Yeah, I got it working"; but as a pfSense and BSD n00b, I am having a hard time making heads or tails out of their answers or instructions.

Should bridging allow LAN and Wi-Fi to talk to each other without further configuration?

If further configuration is needed, what is the recommended methodology? I have seen mention of NAT and firewall rules. Is there a preferred method?

What steps should be taken to implement the method in #2?

I have read the docs on the pfSense page and from what I can tell, the bridge between interfaces should allow for communications.

I have tried following this article and either I did it wrong, or it no longer applies.

This page https ://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=20917.0 was written a long time ago, and I don't know enough about pfSense to really follow his written directions. The part about the extra adapter is what's throwing me for the loop.

http ://serverfault.com/questions/157557/pfsense-with-a-bridge-as-a-lan-interface-traffic-blocked-between-interfaces

http ://serverfault.com/questions/299380/how-do-i-route-between-interfaces-in-pfsense?rq=1

http ://serverfault.com/questions/409043/allowing-traffic-across-the-interface-members-of-a-pfsense-bridge

http ://serverfault.com/questions/362567/pfsense-bridge-on-of-the-network-interfaces

edited Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

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Why do you want to bridge these networks? Most of the time in this situation, LAN and WiFi would each be their own subnet, and could route traffic back and forth. Firewall rules for traffic between these subnets can be as open or as restrictive as you desire.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:18

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

2

You're missing the point. Bridging networks like this is nearly always not what you want to do. Instead, create two separate Layer 3 networks and then configure routing between them. Routing is much different than bridging. With a routed solution, you'll still be able to communicate between networks without issue, including performing whatever management tasks required.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:29

I may be missing your point, but the doc page says that a bridge bridges layer 2 and that's not working. I appreciate your attempt at another better solution, and I'll explore that when I can get back to the hardware. I don't understand why anyone and everyone seems to hate or ignore bridging though. Is it broken in pfSense? Is it like the white elephant of pfSense?

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:33

2

It's the white elephant of networking in general, not just pfSense. There are few to no benefits of bridged networks, and it introduces the possibility of a lot of different types of issues. Routed networks are much more simple, predictable, easier to control, easier to troubleshoot, etc., and unless you require L2 broadcast connectivity between hosts, there is no technical reason to not use two separate routed networks.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:35

add a comment |

EDIT: Why would I want to do such a thing?

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

Carrying on:

If I am successful with this test, I will eventually purpose build a machine to different specs and re-architect things. My intent was a down and dirty, quick test to get things up and running.

Should bridging allow LAN and Wi-Fi to talk to each other without further configuration?

If further configuration is needed, what is the recommended methodology? I have seen mention of NAT and firewall rules. Is there a preferred method?

What steps should be taken to implement the method in #2?

I have read the docs on the pfSense page and from what I can tell, the bridge between interfaces should allow for communications.

I have tried following this article and either I did it wrong, or it no longer applies.

http ://serverfault.com/questions/157557/pfsense-with-a-bridge-as-a-lan-interface-traffic-blocked-between-interfaces

http ://serverfault.com/questions/299380/how-do-i-route-between-interfaces-in-pfsense?rq=1

http ://serverfault.com/questions/409043/allowing-traffic-across-the-interface-members-of-a-pfsense-bridge

http ://serverfault.com/questions/362567/pfsense-bridge-on-of-the-network-interfaces

edited Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

3

Why do you want to bridge these networks? Most of the time in this situation, LAN and WiFi would each be their own subnet, and could route traffic back and forth. Firewall rules for traffic between these subnets can be as open or as restrictive as you desire.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:18

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

2

You're missing the point. Bridging networks like this is nearly always not what you want to do. Instead, create two separate Layer 3 networks and then configure routing between them. Routing is much different than bridging. With a routed solution, you'll still be able to communicate between networks without issue, including performing whatever management tasks required.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:29

I may be missing your point, but the doc page says that a bridge bridges layer 2 and that's not working. I appreciate your attempt at another better solution, and I'll explore that when I can get back to the hardware. I don't understand why anyone and everyone seems to hate or ignore bridging though. Is it broken in pfSense? Is it like the white elephant of pfSense?

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:33

2

It's the white elephant of networking in general, not just pfSense. There are few to no benefits of bridged networks, and it introduces the possibility of a lot of different types of issues. Routed networks are much more simple, predictable, easier to control, easier to troubleshoot, etc., and unless you require L2 broadcast connectivity between hosts, there is no technical reason to not use two separate routed networks.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:35

add a comment |

EDIT: Why would I want to do such a thing?

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

Carrying on:

If I am successful with this test, I will eventually purpose build a machine to different specs and re-architect things. My intent was a down and dirty, quick test to get things up and running.

Should bridging allow LAN and Wi-Fi to talk to each other without further configuration?

If further configuration is needed, what is the recommended methodology? I have seen mention of NAT and firewall rules. Is there a preferred method?

What steps should be taken to implement the method in #2?

I have read the docs on the pfSense page and from what I can tell, the bridge between interfaces should allow for communications.

I have tried following this article and either I did it wrong, or it no longer applies.

http ://serverfault.com/questions/157557/pfsense-with-a-bridge-as-a-lan-interface-traffic-blocked-between-interfaces

http ://serverfault.com/questions/299380/how-do-i-route-between-interfaces-in-pfsense?rq=1

http ://serverfault.com/questions/409043/allowing-traffic-across-the-interface-members-of-a-pfsense-bridge

http ://serverfault.com/questions/362567/pfsense-bridge-on-of-the-network-interfaces

edited Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

EDIT: Why would I want to do such a thing?

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

Carrying on:

If I am successful with this test, I will eventually purpose build a machine to different specs and re-architect things. My intent was a down and dirty, quick test to get things up and running.

Should bridging allow LAN and Wi-Fi to talk to each other without further configuration?

If further configuration is needed, what is the recommended methodology? I have seen mention of NAT and firewall rules. Is there a preferred method?

What steps should be taken to implement the method in #2?

I have read the docs on the pfSense page and from what I can tell, the bridge between interfaces should allow for communications.

I have tried following this article and either I did it wrong, or it no longer applies.

http ://serverfault.com/questions/157557/pfsense-with-a-bridge-as-a-lan-interface-traffic-blocked-between-interfaces

http ://serverfault.com/questions/299380/how-do-i-route-between-interfaces-in-pfsense?rq=1

http ://serverfault.com/questions/409043/allowing-traffic-across-the-interface-members-of-a-pfsense-bridge

http ://serverfault.com/questions/362567/pfsense-bridge-on-of-the-network-interfaces

wifi bridge pfsense wireless-bridge

edited Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

edited Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

edited Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

asked Mar 10 '16 at 15:16

YetAnotherRandomUser

15429

3

Why do you want to bridge these networks? Most of the time in this situation, LAN and WiFi would each be their own subnet, and could route traffic back and forth. Firewall rules for traffic between these subnets can be as open or as restrictive as you desire.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:18

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

2

You're missing the point. Bridging networks like this is nearly always not what you want to do. Instead, create two separate Layer 3 networks and then configure routing between them. Routing is much different than bridging. With a routed solution, you'll still be able to communicate between networks without issue, including performing whatever management tasks required.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:29

I may be missing your point, but the doc page says that a bridge bridges layer 2 and that's not working. I appreciate your attempt at another better solution, and I'll explore that when I can get back to the hardware. I don't understand why anyone and everyone seems to hate or ignore bridging though. Is it broken in pfSense? Is it like the white elephant of pfSense?

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:33

2

It's the white elephant of networking in general, not just pfSense. There are few to no benefits of bridged networks, and it introduces the possibility of a lot of different types of issues. Routed networks are much more simple, predictable, easier to control, easier to troubleshoot, etc., and unless you require L2 broadcast connectivity between hosts, there is no technical reason to not use two separate routed networks.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:35

add a comment |

3

Why do you want to bridge these networks? Most of the time in this situation, LAN and WiFi would each be their own subnet, and could route traffic back and forth. Firewall rules for traffic between these subnets can be as open or as restrictive as you desire.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:18

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

2

You're missing the point. Bridging networks like this is nearly always not what you want to do. Instead, create two separate Layer 3 networks and then configure routing between them. Routing is much different than bridging. With a routed solution, you'll still be able to communicate between networks without issue, including performing whatever management tasks required.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:29

I may be missing your point, but the doc page says that a bridge bridges layer 2 and that's not working. I appreciate your attempt at another better solution, and I'll explore that when I can get back to the hardware. I don't understand why anyone and everyone seems to hate or ignore bridging though. Is it broken in pfSense? Is it like the white elephant of pfSense?

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:33

2

It's the white elephant of networking in general, not just pfSense. There are few to no benefits of bridged networks, and it introduces the possibility of a lot of different types of issues. Routed networks are much more simple, predictable, easier to control, easier to troubleshoot, etc., and unless you require L2 broadcast connectivity between hosts, there is no technical reason to not use two separate routed networks.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:35

Why do you want to bridge these networks? Most of the time in this situation, LAN and WiFi would each be their own subnet, and could route traffic back and forth. Firewall rules for traffic between these subnets can be as open or as restrictive as you desire.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:18

This is a test, and there is 1 machine behind pfSense that I wish to manage, and Wi-Fi makes that easy.

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:28

You're missing the point. Bridging networks like this is nearly always not what you want to do. Instead, create two separate Layer 3 networks and then configure routing between them. Routing is much different than bridging. With a routed solution, you'll still be able to communicate between networks without issue, including performing whatever management tasks required.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:29

I may be missing your point, but the doc page says that a bridge bridges layer 2 and that's not working. I appreciate your attempt at another better solution, and I'll explore that when I can get back to the hardware. I don't understand why anyone and everyone seems to hate or ignore bridging though. Is it broken in pfSense? Is it like the white elephant of pfSense?

– YetAnotherRandomUser
Mar 10 '16 at 15:33

It's the white elephant of networking in general, not just pfSense. There are few to no benefits of bridged networks, and it introduces the possibility of a lot of different types of issues. Routed networks are much more simple, predictable, easier to control, easier to troubleshoot, etc., and unless you require L2 broadcast connectivity between hosts, there is no technical reason to not use two separate routed networks.

– EEAA
Mar 10 '16 at 15:35

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The devices on the LAN and on the Wifi have the same network address ? Or they're different networks if we talk about IP networks ?

Try to look if the Firewall it's your problem:

Create on Firewall / Rules one Rule allowing the access to the LAN network if the source it's the Wifi network

Action = pass

Interface = Select on the combo Lan address name

protocol = any

Source = Select on the combo "Name of the wan network net"

Destination = Select on the combo "Name of the LAN network net"

Log = Check it to see on the System Logs info about the packet it controls. When it runs ok you can remove it.

To see the log of the Firewall go to:
Status / System Logs / Firewall tab

answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

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I was in your case and I have resolved the problem by doing the following setup :

I have just added 2 rules to allow all traffic between the Bridge content interfaces (wired and wireless). Tested on pfsense v2.4.4.

In my case, my interfaces setup are :

LAN interface -> Bridge

Bridge : LAN_RJ45 interface (wired network) + LAN_Wifi interface (Wireless network)

Please see below (Screenshot links) an example for the Wireless interface.
This is the same rule for the wired interface.

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

NB : On the left side, this is the Wireless device IP and on the right side, this is a ping to the wired device IP.

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The devices on the LAN and on the Wifi have the same network address ? Or they're different networks if we talk about IP networks ?

Try to look if the Firewall it's your problem:

Create on Firewall / Rules one Rule allowing the access to the LAN network if the source it's the Wifi network

To see the log of the Firewall go to:
Status / System Logs / Firewall tab

answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

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add a comment |

The devices on the LAN and on the Wifi have the same network address ? Or they're different networks if we talk about IP networks ?

Try to look if the Firewall it's your problem:

Create on Firewall / Rules one Rule allowing the access to the LAN network if the source it's the Wifi network

To see the log of the Firewall go to:
Status / System Logs / Firewall tab

answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

303213

add a comment |

The devices on the LAN and on the Wifi have the same network address ? Or they're different networks if we talk about IP networks ?

Try to look if the Firewall it's your problem:

Create on Firewall / Rules one Rule allowing the access to the LAN network if the source it's the Wifi network

To see the log of the Firewall go to:
Status / System Logs / Firewall tab

answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

303213

The devices on the LAN and on the Wifi have the same network address ? Or they're different networks if we talk about IP networks ?

Try to look if the Firewall it's your problem:

Create on Firewall / Rules one Rule allowing the access to the LAN network if the source it's the Wifi network

To see the log of the Firewall go to:
Status / System Logs / Firewall tab

answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

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answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

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answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

NetVicious

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answered Apr 8 '16 at 13:10

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I was in your case and I have resolved the problem by doing the following setup :

I have just added 2 rules to allow all traffic between the Bridge content interfaces (wired and wireless). Tested on pfsense v2.4.4.

In my case, my interfaces setup are :

LAN interface -> Bridge

Bridge : LAN_RJ45 interface (wired network) + LAN_Wifi interface (Wireless network)

Please see below (Screenshot links) an example for the Wireless interface.
This is the same rule for the wired interface.

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

NB : On the left side, this is the Wireless device IP and on the right side, this is a ping to the wired device IP.

edited Oct 21 '18 at 12:22

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answered Oct 20 '18 at 20:42

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I was in your case and I have resolved the problem by doing the following setup :

I have just added 2 rules to allow all traffic between the Bridge content interfaces (wired and wireless). Tested on pfsense v2.4.4.

In my case, my interfaces setup are :

LAN interface -> Bridge

Bridge : LAN_RJ45 interface (wired network) + LAN_Wifi interface (Wireless network)

Please see below (Screenshot links) an example for the Wireless interface.
This is the same rule for the wired interface.

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

NB : On the left side, this is the Wireless device IP and on the right side, this is a ping to the wired device IP.

edited Oct 21 '18 at 12:22

alexander.polomodov

1,0503712

answered Oct 20 '18 at 20:42

ManWithNoName

add a comment |

I was in your case and I have resolved the problem by doing the following setup :

I have just added 2 rules to allow all traffic between the Bridge content interfaces (wired and wireless). Tested on pfsense v2.4.4.

In my case, my interfaces setup are :

LAN interface -> Bridge

Bridge : LAN_RJ45 interface (wired network) + LAN_Wifi interface (Wireless network)

Please see below (Screenshot links) an example for the Wireless interface.
This is the same rule for the wired interface.

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

NB : On the left side, this is the Wireless device IP and on the right side, this is a ping to the wired device IP.

edited Oct 21 '18 at 12:22

alexander.polomodov

1,0503712

answered Oct 20 '18 at 20:42

ManWithNoName

I was in your case and I have resolved the problem by doing the following setup :

I have just added 2 rules to allow all traffic between the Bridge content interfaces (wired and wireless). Tested on pfsense v2.4.4.

In my case, my interfaces setup are :

LAN interface -> Bridge

Bridge : LAN_RJ45 interface (wired network) + LAN_Wifi interface (Wireless network)

Please see below (Screenshot links) an example for the Wireless interface.
This is the same rule for the wired interface.

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step one - Disable the added rule - Ping KO

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

Step two - Enable the added rule - Ping OK

NB : On the left side, this is the Wireless device IP and on the right side, this is a ping to the wired device IP.

edited Oct 21 '18 at 12:22

alexander.polomodov

1,0503712

answered Oct 20 '18 at 20:42

ManWithNoName

edited Oct 21 '18 at 12:22

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