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How to play vs. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6?


Old Indian defense variation: 1. d4 d6 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nc6 : how should White respond?Best way to play against Glek system?How can black exploit this lead in development?In sicilian defence, why would white always exchange the c5 pawn. What harm would it do otherwise?Why is it said that beginning with 1. Nf3 2. c4 avoids the Benoni but beginning with 1. d4 2. c4 does not?Why not 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 against the Reti opening?What happened to the Giuoco Pianissimo?How to play vs 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 Nxd4?1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 Nf6 4.Bg5?Why is the Advance Variation considered strong vs the Caro-Kann but not vs the Scandinavian?













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As title above, how to play vs. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6? I see that this move (3...d6) is generally considered inferior in books, or not even mentioned in books about 3.Bc4, but I cannot see a clear way to obtain advantage.










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    As title above, how to play vs. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6? I see that this move (3...d6) is generally considered inferior in books, or not even mentioned in books about 3.Bc4, but I cannot see a clear way to obtain advantage.










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      As title above, how to play vs. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6? I see that this move (3...d6) is generally considered inferior in books, or not even mentioned in books about 3.Bc4, but I cannot see a clear way to obtain advantage.










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      As title above, how to play vs. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6? I see that this move (3...d6) is generally considered inferior in books, or not even mentioned in books about 3.Bc4, but I cannot see a clear way to obtain advantage.







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          The game will get the characteristics of the Philidor Defense rather than the Italian Game. Wikipedia calls it the Semi-Italian Opening.




          I. A. Horowitz called the defence "solid", also writing: "It does not seem quite sufficient for equality."




          The Wikipedia article notes several possible continuations for White, with 4. d4 probably the best bet for advantage.






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            1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6:



            365chess.com database shows:



            MOVE | games | year | White + Draw + Black
            -------+-------+------+--------+--------+-------
            4. d4 | 491 | 2018 | 50.3 % | 24.4 % | 25.3 %
            4. c3 | 359 | 2018 | 53.5 % | 20.6 % | 25.9 %
            4. d3 | 357 | 2018 | 45.4 % | 22.7 % | 31.9 %
            4. h3 | 323 | 2016 | 42.7 % | 25.7 % | 31.6 %
            4. Nc3 | 289 | 2018 | 50.9 % | 16.3 % | 32.9 %
            4. O-O | 249 | 2019 | 50.6 % | 22.1 % | 27.3 %


            White will get a space advantage and freer development after d4 (whether delayed or played immediately). Or White can play the pawn to d3 and the fact that his Bishop is outside the pawn chain (and Blacks Bf8 is inside) gives White an easier position.



            There is no knock-out blow for White as Black is accepting a slightly passive but solid position.






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              There is no way to "crush" that move. You just play! Develop your pieces, get space in the center and obtain a small advantage. Your opponent won't be losing a piece or something like that.



              I assume 3...d6 may have some ideas related to a pin on g4 (for instance, 4.d4 Bg4) A c3 pawn advance can be sueful to prevent some ...Nd4. I think you'll be fine after 4.0-0 Bg4 5.c3, but also 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.h3 or many other sequences



              In short, I don't know what the best answer is. I doubt anyone in the world actually does. Analyze your games and find what works best for yourself






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              • Then, why only beginners play it?

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              • "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                – David
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              • I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                – A. N. Other
                May 27 at 15:15












              • I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

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              The game will get the characteristics of the Philidor Defense rather than the Italian Game. Wikipedia calls it the Semi-Italian Opening.




              I. A. Horowitz called the defence "solid", also writing: "It does not seem quite sufficient for equality."




              The Wikipedia article notes several possible continuations for White, with 4. d4 probably the best bet for advantage.






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                The game will get the characteristics of the Philidor Defense rather than the Italian Game. Wikipedia calls it the Semi-Italian Opening.




                I. A. Horowitz called the defence "solid", also writing: "It does not seem quite sufficient for equality."




                The Wikipedia article notes several possible continuations for White, with 4. d4 probably the best bet for advantage.






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                  The game will get the characteristics of the Philidor Defense rather than the Italian Game. Wikipedia calls it the Semi-Italian Opening.




                  I. A. Horowitz called the defence "solid", also writing: "It does not seem quite sufficient for equality."




                  The Wikipedia article notes several possible continuations for White, with 4. d4 probably the best bet for advantage.






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                  The game will get the characteristics of the Philidor Defense rather than the Italian Game. Wikipedia calls it the Semi-Italian Opening.




                  I. A. Horowitz called the defence "solid", also writing: "It does not seem quite sufficient for equality."




                  The Wikipedia article notes several possible continuations for White, with 4. d4 probably the best bet for advantage.







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                      1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6:



                      365chess.com database shows:



                      MOVE | games | year | White + Draw + Black
                      -------+-------+------+--------+--------+-------
                      4. d4 | 491 | 2018 | 50.3 % | 24.4 % | 25.3 %
                      4. c3 | 359 | 2018 | 53.5 % | 20.6 % | 25.9 %
                      4. d3 | 357 | 2018 | 45.4 % | 22.7 % | 31.9 %
                      4. h3 | 323 | 2016 | 42.7 % | 25.7 % | 31.6 %
                      4. Nc3 | 289 | 2018 | 50.9 % | 16.3 % | 32.9 %
                      4. O-O | 249 | 2019 | 50.6 % | 22.1 % | 27.3 %


                      White will get a space advantage and freer development after d4 (whether delayed or played immediately). Or White can play the pawn to d3 and the fact that his Bishop is outside the pawn chain (and Blacks Bf8 is inside) gives White an easier position.



                      There is no knock-out blow for White as Black is accepting a slightly passive but solid position.






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                        1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6:



                        365chess.com database shows:



                        MOVE | games | year | White + Draw + Black
                        -------+-------+------+--------+--------+-------
                        4. d4 | 491 | 2018 | 50.3 % | 24.4 % | 25.3 %
                        4. c3 | 359 | 2018 | 53.5 % | 20.6 % | 25.9 %
                        4. d3 | 357 | 2018 | 45.4 % | 22.7 % | 31.9 %
                        4. h3 | 323 | 2016 | 42.7 % | 25.7 % | 31.6 %
                        4. Nc3 | 289 | 2018 | 50.9 % | 16.3 % | 32.9 %
                        4. O-O | 249 | 2019 | 50.6 % | 22.1 % | 27.3 %


                        White will get a space advantage and freer development after d4 (whether delayed or played immediately). Or White can play the pawn to d3 and the fact that his Bishop is outside the pawn chain (and Blacks Bf8 is inside) gives White an easier position.



                        There is no knock-out blow for White as Black is accepting a slightly passive but solid position.






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                          1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6:



                          365chess.com database shows:



                          MOVE | games | year | White + Draw + Black
                          -------+-------+------+--------+--------+-------
                          4. d4 | 491 | 2018 | 50.3 % | 24.4 % | 25.3 %
                          4. c3 | 359 | 2018 | 53.5 % | 20.6 % | 25.9 %
                          4. d3 | 357 | 2018 | 45.4 % | 22.7 % | 31.9 %
                          4. h3 | 323 | 2016 | 42.7 % | 25.7 % | 31.6 %
                          4. Nc3 | 289 | 2018 | 50.9 % | 16.3 % | 32.9 %
                          4. O-O | 249 | 2019 | 50.6 % | 22.1 % | 27.3 %


                          White will get a space advantage and freer development after d4 (whether delayed or played immediately). Or White can play the pawn to d3 and the fact that his Bishop is outside the pawn chain (and Blacks Bf8 is inside) gives White an easier position.



                          There is no knock-out blow for White as Black is accepting a slightly passive but solid position.






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                          1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6:



                          365chess.com database shows:



                          MOVE | games | year | White + Draw + Black
                          -------+-------+------+--------+--------+-------
                          4. d4 | 491 | 2018 | 50.3 % | 24.4 % | 25.3 %
                          4. c3 | 359 | 2018 | 53.5 % | 20.6 % | 25.9 %
                          4. d3 | 357 | 2018 | 45.4 % | 22.7 % | 31.9 %
                          4. h3 | 323 | 2016 | 42.7 % | 25.7 % | 31.6 %
                          4. Nc3 | 289 | 2018 | 50.9 % | 16.3 % | 32.9 %
                          4. O-O | 249 | 2019 | 50.6 % | 22.1 % | 27.3 %


                          White will get a space advantage and freer development after d4 (whether delayed or played immediately). Or White can play the pawn to d3 and the fact that his Bishop is outside the pawn chain (and Blacks Bf8 is inside) gives White an easier position.



                          There is no knock-out blow for White as Black is accepting a slightly passive but solid position.







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                              There is no way to "crush" that move. You just play! Develop your pieces, get space in the center and obtain a small advantage. Your opponent won't be losing a piece or something like that.



                              I assume 3...d6 may have some ideas related to a pin on g4 (for instance, 4.d4 Bg4) A c3 pawn advance can be sueful to prevent some ...Nd4. I think you'll be fine after 4.0-0 Bg4 5.c3, but also 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.h3 or many other sequences



                              In short, I don't know what the best answer is. I doubt anyone in the world actually does. Analyze your games and find what works best for yourself






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                              • Then, why only beginners play it?

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 25 at 7:35












                              • "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                                – David
                                May 26 at 22:14












                              • I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 27 at 15:15












                              • I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

                                – David
                                May 27 at 15:31















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                              There is no way to "crush" that move. You just play! Develop your pieces, get space in the center and obtain a small advantage. Your opponent won't be losing a piece or something like that.



                              I assume 3...d6 may have some ideas related to a pin on g4 (for instance, 4.d4 Bg4) A c3 pawn advance can be sueful to prevent some ...Nd4. I think you'll be fine after 4.0-0 Bg4 5.c3, but also 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.h3 or many other sequences



                              In short, I don't know what the best answer is. I doubt anyone in the world actually does. Analyze your games and find what works best for yourself






                              share|improve this answer























                              • Then, why only beginners play it?

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 25 at 7:35












                              • "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                                – David
                                May 26 at 22:14












                              • I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 27 at 15:15












                              • I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

                                – David
                                May 27 at 15:31













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                              There is no way to "crush" that move. You just play! Develop your pieces, get space in the center and obtain a small advantage. Your opponent won't be losing a piece or something like that.



                              I assume 3...d6 may have some ideas related to a pin on g4 (for instance, 4.d4 Bg4) A c3 pawn advance can be sueful to prevent some ...Nd4. I think you'll be fine after 4.0-0 Bg4 5.c3, but also 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.h3 or many other sequences



                              In short, I don't know what the best answer is. I doubt anyone in the world actually does. Analyze your games and find what works best for yourself






                              share|improve this answer













                              There is no way to "crush" that move. You just play! Develop your pieces, get space in the center and obtain a small advantage. Your opponent won't be losing a piece or something like that.



                              I assume 3...d6 may have some ideas related to a pin on g4 (for instance, 4.d4 Bg4) A c3 pawn advance can be sueful to prevent some ...Nd4. I think you'll be fine after 4.0-0 Bg4 5.c3, but also 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.h3 or many other sequences



                              In short, I don't know what the best answer is. I doubt anyone in the world actually does. Analyze your games and find what works best for yourself







                              share|improve this answer












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                              • Then, why only beginners play it?

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 25 at 7:35












                              • "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                                – David
                                May 26 at 22:14












                              • I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 27 at 15:15












                              • I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

                                – David
                                May 27 at 15:31

















                              • Then, why only beginners play it?

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 25 at 7:35












                              • "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                                – David
                                May 26 at 22:14












                              • I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                                – A. N. Other
                                May 27 at 15:15












                              • I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

                                – David
                                May 27 at 15:31
















                              Then, why only beginners play it?

                              – A. N. Other
                              May 25 at 7:35






                              Then, why only beginners play it?

                              – A. N. Other
                              May 25 at 7:35














                              "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                              – David
                              May 26 at 22:14






                              "Only" beginners play it, because it is not ambitious and White has many different ways of staying "slightly better". In other words, no kind of trouble is created by Black. If there was a way to completely smash it, not even beginners would play it. Also, experienced players who like that type of schemes may prefer 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6

                              – David
                              May 26 at 22:14














                              I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                              – A. N. Other
                              May 27 at 15:15






                              I am not saying that there must be a way to "completely smash it", but of at least obtaining a reasonable advantage out of the opening. If instead the move is unambitious, but perfectly playable, as you seem to suggest (and you may be perfectly right, of course), I was wondering why it is not more popular among strong players, at least to avoid the main theoretical lines. I hope you get my point. Move is playable, yet it is extremely unpopular.

                              – A. N. Other
                              May 27 at 15:15














                              I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

                              – David
                              May 27 at 15:31





                              I think players who want to play that type of position will prefer .e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. Also, it's not really avoiding any theory, since the position that will be reached will be very similar to other well known openings and may even lead to transpositions (with the advantage for White of having more flexibility)

                              – David
                              May 27 at 15:31

















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