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I'm running a feed line from the end of my amplifier to the antenna for HF transmissions. I'm using RG8x / mini 8. There's an existing pathway through my house I'd like to use that has a cat 5e ethernet cable.
I'd like to just push the coax through the same conduit as the ethernet, they'll be laying on top of each other for maybe 10 feet, outer jackets touching. In a couple of areas they'll end up zip tied next to each other. Does this create any interference that would be detectable? I'll be running up to max legal power (US / FCC).
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I'm running a feed line from the end of my amplifier to the antenna for HF transmissions. I'm using RG8x / mini 8. There's an existing pathway through my house I'd like to use that has a cat 5e ethernet cable.
I'd like to just push the coax through the same conduit as the ethernet, they'll be laying on top of each other for maybe 10 feet, outer jackets touching. In a couple of areas they'll end up zip tied next to each other. Does this create any interference that would be detectable? I'll be running up to max legal power (US / FCC).
antenna rfi coaxial-cable
asked May 28 at 15:15
EricEric
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What is the maximum power that your amplifier is capable of? And what is the highest band? A correct answer depends on knowing that information.
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 18:28
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I'm running a feed line from the end of my amplifier to the antenna for HF transmissions. I'm using RG8x / mini 8. There's an existing pathway through my house I'd like to use that has a cat 5e ethernet cable.
I'd like to just push the coax through the same conduit as the ethernet, they'll be laying on top of each other for maybe 10 feet, outer jackets touching. In a couple of areas they'll end up zip tied next to each other. Does this create any interference that would be detectable? I'll be running up to max legal power (US / FCC).
antenna rfi coaxial-cable
asked May 28 at 15:15
EricEric
1163
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I'm running a feed line from the end of my amplifier to the antenna for HF transmissions. I'm using RG8x / mini 8. There's an existing pathway through my house I'd like to use that has a cat 5e ethernet cable.
I'd like to just push the coax through the same conduit as the ethernet, they'll be laying on top of each other for maybe 10 feet, outer jackets touching. In a couple of areas they'll end up zip tied next to each other. Does this create any interference that would be detectable? I'll be running up to max legal power (US / FCC).
antenna rfi coaxial-cable
antenna rfi coaxial-cable
asked May 28 at 15:15
EricEric
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asked May 28 at 15:15
EricEric
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asked May 28 at 15:15
EricEric
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asked May 28 at 15:15
EricEric
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What is the maximum power that your amplifier is capable of? And what is the highest band? A correct answer depends on knowing that information.
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 18:28
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BTW, welcome to this site! Check your email.
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What is the maximum power that your amplifier is capable of? And what is the highest band? A correct answer depends on knowing that information.
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 18:28
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BTW, welcome to this site! Check your email.
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 20:21
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What is the maximum power that your amplifier is capable of? And what is the highest band? A correct answer depends on knowing that information.
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 18:28
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What is the maximum power that your amplifier is capable of? And what is the highest band? A correct answer depends on knowing that information.
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 18:28
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BTW, welcome to this site! Check your email.
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No.
In fact, you shouldn't use RG-8X at all. Belden's specifications put the maximum power at 1000 W at 10 MHz, and 370 W at 50 MHz. The maximum power on most HF bands is 1500 W, so you'll be significantly exceeding the ratings of the cable.
Also keep in mind a cable in an enclosed space will run hotter than one with natural convection, so some derating may be appropriate.
Provided however you operate within the cable's specifications, use a high quality cable, and the cat 5 isn't connected to something extremely sensitive to RF, running other cables bundled with the coax is probably fine. See the datasheet for the isolation the shield provides: if there's not a datasheet then it's not a high quality cable. Do be sure to check for common-mode current, and mitigate as necessary, as this is likely the more significant coupling mechanism compared to leakage through the shield.
answered May 28 at 15:39
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If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
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– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
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I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
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– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
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@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
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– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
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There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
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– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
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Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
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No.
In fact, you shouldn't use RG-8X at all. Belden's specifications put the maximum power at 1000 W at 10 MHz, and 370 W at 50 MHz. The maximum power on most HF bands is 1500 W, so you'll be significantly exceeding the ratings of the cable.
Also keep in mind a cable in an enclosed space will run hotter than one with natural convection, so some derating may be appropriate.
Provided however you operate within the cable's specifications, use a high quality cable, and the cat 5 isn't connected to something extremely sensitive to RF, running other cables bundled with the coax is probably fine. See the datasheet for the isolation the shield provides: if there's not a datasheet then it's not a high quality cable. Do be sure to check for common-mode current, and mitigate as necessary, as this is likely the more significant coupling mechanism compared to leakage through the shield.
answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
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If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
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– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
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I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
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– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
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@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
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– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
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There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
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– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
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Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 19:01
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No.
In fact, you shouldn't use RG-8X at all. Belden's specifications put the maximum power at 1000 W at 10 MHz, and 370 W at 50 MHz. The maximum power on most HF bands is 1500 W, so you'll be significantly exceeding the ratings of the cable.
Also keep in mind a cable in an enclosed space will run hotter than one with natural convection, so some derating may be appropriate.
Provided however you operate within the cable's specifications, use a high quality cable, and the cat 5 isn't connected to something extremely sensitive to RF, running other cables bundled with the coax is probably fine. See the datasheet for the isolation the shield provides: if there's not a datasheet then it's not a high quality cable. Do be sure to check for common-mode current, and mitigate as necessary, as this is likely the more significant coupling mechanism compared to leakage through the shield.
answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
30.2k148118
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If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
$endgroup$
– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
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I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
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– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
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@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
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– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
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There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
$endgroup$
– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
1
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Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 19:01
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show 1 more comment
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No.
In fact, you shouldn't use RG-8X at all. Belden's specifications put the maximum power at 1000 W at 10 MHz, and 370 W at 50 MHz. The maximum power on most HF bands is 1500 W, so you'll be significantly exceeding the ratings of the cable.
Also keep in mind a cable in an enclosed space will run hotter than one with natural convection, so some derating may be appropriate.
Provided however you operate within the cable's specifications, use a high quality cable, and the cat 5 isn't connected to something extremely sensitive to RF, running other cables bundled with the coax is probably fine. See the datasheet for the isolation the shield provides: if there's not a datasheet then it's not a high quality cable. Do be sure to check for common-mode current, and mitigate as necessary, as this is likely the more significant coupling mechanism compared to leakage through the shield.
answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
30.2k148118
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No.
In fact, you shouldn't use RG-8X at all. Belden's specifications put the maximum power at 1000 W at 10 MHz, and 370 W at 50 MHz. The maximum power on most HF bands is 1500 W, so you'll be significantly exceeding the ratings of the cable.
Also keep in mind a cable in an enclosed space will run hotter than one with natural convection, so some derating may be appropriate.
Provided however you operate within the cable's specifications, use a high quality cable, and the cat 5 isn't connected to something extremely sensitive to RF, running other cables bundled with the coax is probably fine. See the datasheet for the isolation the shield provides: if there's not a datasheet then it's not a high quality cable. Do be sure to check for common-mode current, and mitigate as necessary, as this is likely the more significant coupling mechanism compared to leakage through the shield.
answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
30.2k148118
edited May 28 at 17:33
answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
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answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
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answered May 28 at 15:39
Phil Frost - W8IIPhil Frost - W8II
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If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
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– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
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I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
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– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
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@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
$endgroup$
– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
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There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
$endgroup$
– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
1
$begingroup$
Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
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– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 19:01
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show 1 more comment
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If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
$endgroup$
– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
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I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
$endgroup$
– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
$begingroup$
@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
$endgroup$
– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
$begingroup$
There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
$endgroup$
– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
1
$begingroup$
Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 19:01
1
1
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If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
$endgroup$
– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
$begingroup$
If the cable is hidden behind a wall or similar this would be even worse, as there would be nowhere for excess heat to dissipate. This could lead to a lot of heat in an enclosed space, and the consequences of that don’t bear thinking about
$endgroup$
– Scott Earle♦
May 28 at 15:43
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I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
$endgroup$
– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
$begingroup$
I submit those consequences "do bear thinking about"!
$endgroup$
– K7PEH
May 28 at 15:50
$begingroup$
@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
$endgroup$
– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
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@Phil if I keep it to 100 watts (I can run without the amp at home) that would take care of the cable rating, but what about the interference side?
$endgroup$
– Eric
May 28 at 16:09
$begingroup$
There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
$endgroup$
– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
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There could also be an issue with the zip ties if you tighten them enough to pinch either of the cables.
$endgroup$
– mrog
May 28 at 18:13
1
1
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Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 19:01
$begingroup$
Phil's answer and the comments here so far are most likely correct. However, until we know what power and the maximum frequency the OP with be using ... For all we know, he's only on 160 thru 40 and running 500 watts. :-)
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
May 28 at 19:01
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What is the maximum power that your amplifier is capable of? And what is the highest band? A correct answer depends on knowing that information.
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– Mike Waters♦
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BTW, welcome to this site! Check your email.
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– Mike Waters♦
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