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I noticed that among Orthodox and, seemingly Hareidi Bar Mitzvah's and weddings, a huge challah is cut by the chattan or Bar Mitzvah.

I assume that there must be some minhag behind this that originated somewhere for some reason. I don't think it's just to feed the attendants, because usually bread or rolls is available in a table bread basket or at each seating, and the challah is usually cut (esp. at weddings) long after people ate the appetizer / first course.

minhag wedding bar-bas-bat-mitzvah challah-shabbat-bread

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  I haven’t seen this at Bar Mitzvahs, and at weddings it’s usually meant for everyone at the head table to eat their fill. Lots of people with big appetites necessitates a big loaf.
  
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  It's typically recommended to make brachos on nice things. Particularly for a public hamotzi at a special occasion, it make sense to make praise Hashem for an extra fancy challah.
  
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  It's a giant waste of food.
  
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I noticed that among Orthodox and, seemingly Hareidi Bar Mitzvah's and weddings, a huge challah is cut by the chattan or Bar Mitzvah.

I assume that there must be some minhag behind this that originated somewhere for some reason. I don't think it's just to feed the attendants, because usually bread or rolls is available in a table bread basket or at each seating, and the challah is usually cut (esp. at weddings) long after people ate the appetizer / first course.

minhag wedding bar-bas-bat-mitzvah challah-shabbat-bread

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asked May 27 at 17:17

DanFDanF

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  I haven’t seen this at Bar Mitzvahs, and at weddings it’s usually meant for everyone at the head table to eat their fill. Lots of people with big appetites necessitates a big loaf.
  
  – DonielF
  May 27 at 19:32
  

  
  
  
  


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  It's typically recommended to make brachos on nice things. Particularly for a public hamotzi at a special occasion, it make sense to make praise Hashem for an extra fancy challah.
  
  – Heshy
  May 27 at 20:40
  

  
  
  
  


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  8
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  It's a giant waste of food.
  
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  May 27 at 21:03
  

  
  
  
  


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  For the caterer to charge for more
  
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  May 27 at 21:12
  

  
  
  
  

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I noticed that among Orthodox and, seemingly Hareidi Bar Mitzvah's and weddings, a huge challah is cut by the chattan or Bar Mitzvah.

I assume that there must be some minhag behind this that originated somewhere for some reason. I don't think it's just to feed the attendants, because usually bread or rolls is available in a table bread basket or at each seating, and the challah is usually cut (esp. at weddings) long after people ate the appetizer / first course.

minhag wedding bar-bas-bat-mitzvah challah-shabbat-bread

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asked May 27 at 17:17

DanFDanF

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The earliest source for having a large Challah at a wedding is the Maasas Binyomin (d. 1620)

There is a wide spread custom to distribute slices of the large challa to the friends of the Chosson and Kallah. Some say (Nittei Gavriel quotes Darkei Chaim p27, who heard this from R' Akiva Eiger) that this is based on the famous question posed at every marriage: 'מצא או מוציא' - every marriage has the potential to be ׳מצא אשה מצא טוב׳, or conversely to be 'מוצא אני את האשה'. Therefore immediately after they partake of it, we remove the ׳המוצא׳ from in front of them, as if to symbolize that only one option remains - that of מצא אשה מצא טוב. (A similar sentiment is brought in the Beis Emes [authored by the Lev Simcha of Ger], based on Eruvin 54)

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  I thought it was מצא or מוצא אני את האשה כו׳. Not מוציא at all, which would then make המוציא irrelevant.
  
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Perhaps the custom originated from the halacha that the chosson is בוצע תחילה (See Berachos 47, Magen Avraham OC"H 167.29); he is the first to 'break the bread'. It is possible that in the times when they observed this halacha, everyone partook of the bread from the central loaf which the chosson cut.

Today, this halacha is virtually obsolete, because at our weddings the public begin the meal and partake of the bread before the chosson and kallah arrive, and everybody has their own roll.

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  Very interesting. I'll see if I can check the source in Brachot.
  
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The earliest source for having a large Challah at a wedding is the Maasas Binyomin (d. 1620)

There is a wide spread custom to distribute slices of the large challa to the friends of the Chosson and Kallah. Some say (Nittei Gavriel quotes Darkei Chaim p27, who heard this from R' Akiva Eiger) that this is based on the famous question posed at every marriage: 'מצא או מוציא' - every marriage has the potential to be ׳מצא אשה מצא טוב׳, or conversely to be 'מוצא אני את האשה'. Therefore immediately after they partake of it, we remove the ׳המוצא׳ from in front of them, as if to symbolize that only one option remains - that of מצא אשה מצא טוב. (A similar sentiment is brought in the Beis Emes [authored by the Lev Simcha of Ger], based on Eruvin 54)

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edited May 28 at 16:56

answered May 27 at 20:36

chortkov2chortkov2

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  Will try follow up with source, if I can find it again
  
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  I thought it was מצא or מוצא אני את האשה כו׳. Not מוציא at all, which would then make המוציא irrelevant.
  
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  May 27 at 23:44
  
  

  
  
  
  

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The earliest source for having a large Challah at a wedding is the Maasas Binyomin (d. 1620)

There is a wide spread custom to distribute slices of the large challa to the friends of the Chosson and Kallah. Some say (Nittei Gavriel quotes Darkei Chaim p27, who heard this from R' Akiva Eiger) that this is based on the famous question posed at every marriage: 'מצא או מוציא' - every marriage has the potential to be ׳מצא אשה מצא טוב׳, or conversely to be 'מוצא אני את האשה'. Therefore immediately after they partake of it, we remove the ׳המוצא׳ from in front of them, as if to symbolize that only one option remains - that of מצא אשה מצא טוב. (A similar sentiment is brought in the Beis Emes [authored by the Lev Simcha of Ger], based on Eruvin 54)

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edited May 28 at 16:56

answered May 27 at 20:36

chortkov2chortkov2

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  Will try follow up with source, if I can find it again
  
  – chortkov2
  May 27 at 20:36
  

  
  
  
  


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  I thought it was מצא or מוצא אני את האשה כו׳. Not מוציא at all, which would then make המוציא irrelevant.
  
  – msh210♦
  May 27 at 23:44
  
  

  
  
  
  

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The earliest source for having a large Challah at a wedding is the Maasas Binyomin (d. 1620)

There is a wide spread custom to distribute slices of the large challa to the friends of the Chosson and Kallah. Some say (Nittei Gavriel quotes Darkei Chaim p27, who heard this from R' Akiva Eiger) that this is based on the famous question posed at every marriage: 'מצא או מוציא' - every marriage has the potential to be ׳מצא אשה מצא טוב׳, or conversely to be 'מוצא אני את האשה'. Therefore immediately after they partake of it, we remove the ׳המוצא׳ from in front of them, as if to symbolize that only one option remains - that of מצא אשה מצא טוב. (A similar sentiment is brought in the Beis Emes [authored by the Lev Simcha of Ger], based on Eruvin 54)

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answered May 27 at 20:36

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answered May 27 at 20:36

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Perhaps the custom originated from the halacha that the chosson is בוצע תחילה (See Berachos 47, Magen Avraham OC"H 167.29); he is the first to 'break the bread'. It is possible that in the times when they observed this halacha, everyone partook of the bread from the central loaf which the chosson cut.

Today, this halacha is virtually obsolete, because at our weddings the public begin the meal and partake of the bread before the chosson and kallah arrive, and everybody has their own roll.

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answered May 28 at 18:34

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  Very interesting. I'll see if I can check the source in Brachot.
  
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  May 28 at 19:53
  

  
  
  
  

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Perhaps the custom originated from the halacha that the chosson is בוצע תחילה (See Berachos 47, Magen Avraham OC"H 167.29); he is the first to 'break the bread'. It is possible that in the times when they observed this halacha, everyone partook of the bread from the central loaf which the chosson cut.

Today, this halacha is virtually obsolete, because at our weddings the public begin the meal and partake of the bread before the chosson and kallah arrive, and everybody has their own roll.

share|improve this answer

answered May 28 at 18:34

chortkov2chortkov2

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  Very interesting. I'll see if I can check the source in Brachot.
  
  – DanF
  May 28 at 19:53
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Perhaps the custom originated from the halacha that the chosson is בוצע תחילה (See Berachos 47, Magen Avraham OC"H 167.29); he is the first to 'break the bread'. It is possible that in the times when they observed this halacha, everyone partook of the bread from the central loaf which the chosson cut.

Today, this halacha is virtually obsolete, because at our weddings the public begin the meal and partake of the bread before the chosson and kallah arrive, and everybody has their own roll.

share|improve this answer

answered May 28 at 18:34

chortkov2chortkov2

2,170225

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answered May 28 at 18:34

chortkov2chortkov2

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answered May 28 at 18:34

chortkov2chortkov2

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answered May 28 at 18:34

chortkov2chortkov2

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